Could be that Canada has 1 (Cody Glass) of their top-10 ranked prospects at the tournament, and only 3 more from top 15 (Strome, Ratcliffe and Anderson-Dolan). Finland has 5 (Heiskanen, Vesalainen, Vaakanainen, Luukkonen and Ikonen) of their top-10, as well as 3 more from top 15 (Nyman, Latvala, and Teravainen). Canada sent a really young, and unproven team.
U18: Team Canada 2017 U18 WJC Roster Talk.
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Could be that Canada has 1 (Cody Glass) of their top-10 ranked prospects at the tournament, and only 3 more from top 15 (Strome, Ratcliffe and Anderson-Dolan). Finland has 5 (Heiskanen, Vesalainen, Vaakanainen, Luukkonen and Ikonen) of their top-10, as well as 3 more from top 15 (Nyman, Latvala, and Teravainen). Canada sent a really young, and unproven team.
They still have some decent players but there are too many 00s. The difference in that year of development is huge, even if the players have less potential, they should have chosen mostly older players.
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never like to pin a loss on 1 player...and this is not Matthew Strome's fault. BUT
another Strome family gem in a Team Canada sweater. The streak continues.
This Strome is the worst of the bunch. I hope I never see him on the U20 team.
another Strome family gem in a Team Canada sweater. The streak continues.
This Strome is the worst of the bunch. I hope I never see him on the U20 team.
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We ( Finland) lost four ( Heponiemi,Moilanen,Jokiharju and Tolvanen) of our top U18 players because of their respective teams playoff duties.
And still we ( Finland ) have very good team in this tournament.
Losing to four our top players isn't been the case or an obstacle to us win all five games.
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Are you talking to Canada or Finland?.
Finland has only three ( Kotkaniemi,Kupari and Utunen) 00 born players on the team.
And still two of those guys ( Kotkaniemi and Kupari) have played well in this tournament.
1999 born age group has very deep based on talent what Finland has in that age group.
Jesse Ylonen ( son of Juha Ylonen) is 1999 born.
But he's late birthday ( born in October) and that's why he's draft eligible next summer with Kotkaniemi,Kupari and Utunen who are 2018 eligible's too.
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its really time for HC to clean house...salmon and the other fish need to step aside...
Awful we have been consistently looking in from the outside , consistent losers with a sprinkling of wining here and there...the USA has been consistently wining with a sprinkling of losing here and there...that is a difference we need to address
if we don't address this now, in 10 years we will be where women's hockey is with Canada...lucky to win Olympic gold and consistently losing every other tournament...that's not what i want...
i want to consistently win and sprinkle a lose here and there...we are headed in the opposite...consistently losing and sprinkle a win here and there...FIRE them ALL!!!!
Let's make an even comparison;
Goaltending- Finland has Luukkonen playing, and Canada has Scott, both are the top ranked prospect in net for their countries, so even.
Defence: Finland has Heiskanen (#1) and Vaakanainen (#3) of their top 5 defensemen there. Canada doesn't have any of its top 5 playing. Definite edge Finland.
Forward: Finland has Vesalainen (#2), Ikonen (#4) and Nyman (#5) from their top 5 ranked forwards there. Canada has Glass (#4) there. Again edge Finland.
Overall: Finland has 5 of their top 10 prospects playing, Canada has 2. Finland has 8 of their top 15 prospects playing, Canada has 3. Huge edge Finland.
Finland has 3 players from the 2000 class playing (1 d-man and 2 forwards), Canada has 6 (1 goalie, 3 d-men, and 2 forwards).
Finland is missing Tolvanen (predicted to go #13 in the draft), Jokiharju (#31), as well has Heponeimi (2nd rounder). Canada is missing Nolan Patrick (#2), Vilardi (#3), Tippet (#5), Makar (#6), Rasmussen (#10), Suzuki (#15), Hague (#18), Bowers (#23), Lind (#24), Timmins (#25), Thomas (#26), as well as second rounders Joseph, Frost and Tyszka.
Canada managed a 4-1 record, with a young, reserve roster.
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Scratch Patrick from that list. Patrick is a 98 born player and was not eligible for this tournament.
Everything else seems correct.
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no worries. I don't get myself too worked up about the results of this tournament. My general rule is, if Hockey Canada couldn't be bothered with it, then I won't either.
The U20 tournament however is another issue. Hockey Canada directs everything it has at that tournament, and the results are not much better than the U18 since 2010.
I think it is time for Jankowski to get the boot. along with a few other bureaucrats at Hockey Canada who aren't earning their exorbitant salaries.
Bolded are to old. Other guys that would be locks are Evan Bouchard (would have been the #1 dman on the team). Ryan McLeod as a depth forward.
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I know Canada gets their top junior players only to world juniors and Ivan Hlinka tournaments.
What's happen in Canadian junior hockey last year Canada collapsed in Bronze game and lost 10-3 to USA.
Last time when Canada has won U18 WJC gold was 2013.
Canada wasn't top gold medal contender in IIHF men's worlds in 2010-2014.
But now they have won that tournament twice ( 2015 and 2016) and again this year Canada is gold medal contender in IIHF men's worlds ( look that offence it's loaded to NHL stars).
Is Canada's priorities changed in junior world championships especially in U18 WJC's or why Canada couldn't do better than that 4-1 record.
I know memorial cup playoffs are same time with U18 WJC's. And how much talent Canada has in 1999 born age group.
Example in Finland 1999 born age group is deep based on talent and some Finnish hockey insiders are talking to super age group ( yeah sounds biased and maybe it is.)
Yes losing Tolvanen,Heponiemi,Moilanen and Jokiharju hurt Finland's team but not so badly.
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We'd develop more high end prospects if there was more skill/skating focus at a younger age, but we will still continue to produce enough of them due to a large hockey population. Also, many of our juniors come from nowhere and star as pros, so there is usually a fair amount of Senior level depth. For example with this 99 age group, you will see Canadians of this age in the NHL playing important roles for their team and you will wonder , where the heck did they come from? They will be players who were not on the international scene as juniors and developed remarkably afterwards.
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You should get it right, difference is only very minimal. Or we also miss Laine, Juolevi, Puljujärvi, Välimäki and many others. Also Canada always miss lot of players these champions, but now, not that much. They only suck this time and -99 age group not looking too good.
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We probably had about a 1/3 of our top 99's there. The team wasn't really put together until the first game. Pretty predictably really.
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Why would fans of Finnish hockey be concerned about the lack of strength of Canadian teams for anyway? Wouldn't it be a good thing for them to have Canada be as weak as possible? Are you trying to say you are concerned for our well being or is it just a chance to get digs in on a camouflaged manner by masquerading as simply an interested observer?
My guess is it is very likely the latter.
Team Canada is not very strong at this tournament lately and there are reasons why, live it up while you can boys!!
My guess is it is very likely the latter.
Team Canada is not very strong at this tournament lately and there are reasons why, live it up while you can boys!!
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ding ding ding. bingo. as the saying goes.
And Hockey Canada has never invested a lot of time, effort or resources into this tournament. never, not just lately.
but the last few years have exasperated the problem to a certain extent as we are going through a bit of a lull in the development talent cycle. and there are a lot of reasons for that. but that's another thread. Hockey Canada needs to address those issues and pronto.
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Matthew Strome had a decent tournament. He was constantly setting up plays and found the back of the net a few times. I really liked him playing with Glass and Olson.
The entire team Canada was pretty bad this tournament, I don't think Stromes performance in this tournament really needs spotlighted negatively or positively.
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From what I saw, he is a harder worker than his brothers. Loved the way he battled for the puck.
wings5 - no truer words have ever been said about this age group. I agree 100%. I personally won't be surprised at all about a number of kids that are currently off the radar. There is lots of latent talent and potential in the 99 age group that hasn't been duly noted as of yet. Too many recycled names garnering press and they have not impressed.
Finland has 2 of their top 3 1999 defence prospects at the tournament, Canada had none of its top 5.........factual........huge benefit for Finland.
Finland was missing Tolvanen (#13), and Jokiharju (#31) from their top round draft prospects. Canada was missing Vilardi (#3), Tippet (#5), Rasmussen (#10), Suzuki (#15), Bowers (#23), and Thomas (#26)........factual.......again huge benefit for Finland.
Canada has always missed a lot of their top players at this tournament, because it runs in the middle of the CHL playoffs, and no teams make the players available, only players from eliminated teams go. That is why this is probably Canada's worst tournament historically. In 19 years, Canada has 3 golds, 1 silver, and 3 bronze. To compare, we have 16 golds in the last 19 Ivan Hlinka tournaments. we have 6 golds , 7 silvers, and 3 bronze in the past 19 U20s. We have 3 golds in the 5 Olympics since NHLers could go.
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