TDL Acquisition Thread | Part II: "Let's Enjoy the Aimless Days While We Still Can"

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Maybe I'm thinking more about prime Iggy when Conroy was around but even as a passer he needs and holds the puck a lot. He's been "The Man" on that team for so long that I think he's used to doing everything instead of playing off others. I think thats why Sid and Iggy were broken up when they played for Canada.

On the other hand maybe thats what Sid needs, someone to hold pucks while he gets open. I actually think he does and wanted that for a long time but to just build up that chemistry for the playoffs is a huge question mark. If I knew he was going to be around 2 or 3 more years I would totally be behind getting him but giving up assets for these playoffs and only these playoffs is crazy.

With me its all about the asking price. I would hate to give up a first this year for a rental.

Iggy is an unreal player and he has an innate ability to know when to dish and when to pass. That's what I have always loved about him.

I'm not thrilled about giving up the first and or Maatta, but you have to seize opportunities when they present themselves.

I've followed this team for years and the farm almost as long, but one thing I've learned is that having superstars doesn't guarantee a dynasty and multitude of cups. Shero has to make a push and leave nothing to chance. Even the star studded cup teams needed big additions to push them over the top.

If he gets Iggy and they lose, at least he can look back and say he gave his team the ammo they needed to win. There won't be any regret that he could of done more.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

You mean like Geno getting hurt?

Gee, how will they ever score?

I'm not sure you realize that there is a difference between PO hockey and regular season hockey. Seriously.

 

[nTsplnk*]

You honestly think Dupuis can support Crosby the way Iggy can? It even goes beyond how Iggy can support him several levels above Dupuis in the NZ and AZ, but do you like having a healthy Crosby? I sure do.

The amount of time Crosby will have to carry the puck and keep it on his stick longer with Dupuis vs Iggy is significant. The extra abuse/hits he will take because of Dupuis on his line instead of Iggy is not even comparable. Iggy will carry the puck a ton through all three zones and absorb a wealth of that punishment, draw players to him, and get this... Even set Crosby up a few times.

There is simply no comparison between Iggy and Dupuis. It's a silly argument to suggest Iggy doesn't dramatically improve Crosby's line and help him significantly more than Dupuis.

If you think otherwise, I suggest you watch Iggy play more often.

If you look at Sid's goal totals this year, it's easy to see why he's getting so many assists and not so many goals.

The defense are just all over him leaving guys like Kunitz and Dupuis open. Imagine having Iginla on that line, I can guarantee Crosby's goal pace increases significantly while getting even more assists.

 

[Sivek]

Paul Gaustad was traded for a 1st round pick last year. He was a UFA and is far from a great bottom-6 player. Dom Moore was a decent 3rd liner and got traded every year for a 2nd. Adding a good player for the bottom-6 isn't going to happen from trading TK+3rd round pick.

Iginla is going to pick the team he wants to be traded to and thus limit the return since only a couple of teams are in on him. Bottom-6 guys don't have that luxury and have every playoff and bubble team in the league bidding for them. People have to understand that the difference between acquiring Iginla and getting a good 3rd liner will not be as huge as you would think.

 

[Shockmaster]

Not to mention that if you NEED to keep Sid's line together, put Iggy with Malkin and Neal to help out their EV game and put Bennett on the 3rd.

Sigh.

Bennett is not third liner, he's a top 6 forward. You need to play him in that role as much as possible. Second, Iginla would be a terrible fit on Geno's line. Bennett, being more of a passer, fits that mold much, much better.

Besides that, Iginla would bring more than just goal scoring to the table. He would also bring grit and leadership as someone else said. In addition to that, he would help with puck possession and the important aspect of commanding respect on the ice because of his ability to create on his own, which would free up space for Sid in the playoffs.

They have leadership, and they possess the puck well already. Weak reasoning on your part.

As others have said, Iginla would also allow Dupuis to move down to the third line, which quite frankly is where he belongs if you want a better third line

1.) You don't reward success with a demotion to the third line.

2.) Getting third and fourth line grit players are much easier to get than getting a guy who's near the end of the prime of his career.

You keep on telling people why they want Iginla. People have different opinions of what he would bring to this team. Just because your opinion differs from others doesn´t make it true.

Because most of the reasons they want him are for reasons that don't exist.

 

[#66]

The first line seems to be doing well in the areas you perceive as weaknesses. Perhaps you are watching Iginla too much instead of watching Penguins games.

Its hard to think that Iggy would lessen any team he's on though. As much as I want to say that the Pens don't need Iginla, I also think that the Pens don't play a clean offensive game and have to work way to hard to score goals. More skill helps that nevermind everything else Iggy does.

 

[Omnomnomnom]

Or just fill in those needs with players that would cost less at the deadline over a player near the end of his prime, lol.

Or we could go for a player that would greatly improve multiple lines, add grit, and add leadership. Nothings to say we can't also improve the bottom six as well though.

 

[Shockmaster]

Paul Gaustad was traded for a 1st round pick last year. He was a UFA and is far from a great bottom-6 player. Dom Moore was a decent 3rd liner and got traded every year for a 2nd. Adding a good player for the bottom-6 isn't going to happen from trading TK+3rd round pick.

Iginla is going to pick the team he wants to be traded to and thus limit the return since only a couple of teams are in on him. Bottom-6 guys don't have that luxury and have every playoff and bubble team in the league bidding for them. People have to understand that the difference between acquiring Iginla and getting a good 3rd liner will not be as huge as you would think.

Really? Word is Calgary wants to be overpaid for him..

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The first line seems to be doing well in the areas you perceive as weaknesses. Perhaps you are watching Iginla too much instead of watching Penguins games.

Since you want to pretend to know so much, tell me what coverages Boston was using on the Crosby line the last two games.

Then I'll correct you and tell you exactly what that line will see come playoff time. And it will get tougher and tougher as the rounds go by.

Kelly wasn't even playing for Boston in these last two games. He is their shutdown guy. Wait until he has shadow coverage on Crosby and you are smacked in the face with the reality of the playoffs. If people thought it was tough for Crosby to find room with just Chara matched up on him, wait until Kelly and Bergeron are following him all around the ice and the matchups aren't in DB favor.

You think Dupuis can help Crosby as much as Iggy in these types of games? Right...

 

[Hottubber]

Really? Word is Calgary wants to be overpaid for him..

Just curious Shockmaster........who would be on your radar via trade?

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

I just read that if Shero gets Iggy the league won't allow him to trade for any other players to help out the bottom 6 and DB isn't allowed to move Dupers to the 3rd line, so there is no possible way to fix the bottom 6 if he trades for Iggy.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Don't waste your breath arguining about whether Iginla would make a bigger impact than Dupuis, guys. That's not even a debate worth having.

 

[mpp9]

Calgary can get what they can for him by April 3rd or lose him for nothing in free agency. It's in both parties' best interests to get something done.

If the Flames wanted more than an A prospect+1st then they should have moved him a couple years ago.

 

[Shockmaster]

Since you want to pretend to know so much, tell me what coverages Boston was using on the Crosby line the last two games.

Then I'll correct you and tell you exactly what that line will see come playoff time. And it will get tougher and tougher as the rounds go by.

Kelly wasn't even playing for Boston in these last two games. He is their shutdown guy. Wait until he has shadow coverage on Crosby and you are smacked in the face with the reality of the playoffs. If people thought it was tough for Crosby to find room with just Chara matched up on him, wait until Kelly and Bergeron are following him all around the ice and the matchups aren't in DB favor.

You think Dupuis can help Crosby as much as Iggy in these types of games? Right...

Well I didn't know I was in the presence of a hockey expert! I shall bow down to your smugness then!

Is Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis worse than Feds-Malkin-Talbot? How could an expert like you forget such a thing?

As for those matchups, I put the onus on Bylsma to do better in that area, much like he needs to start getting Malkin away Couturier during home games against the Flyers.

Just curious Shockmaster........who would be on your radar via trade?

Some of the guys I like that could fill roles on the bottom 6 better than Kennedy and Glass are guys like Eric Fehr, Matt Hendricks, Nate Thompson, and Brendan Morrow. Wouldn't mind seeing Talbot back, but that's a pipe dream, and he's being paid a little too much for a bottom 6 role.

The Stars still have a shot at the playoffs, so I doubt Morrow is traded. The Lightning and Capitals are pretty much done, but I'm not sure if those teams are willing to accept that reality.

 

[bradshaw06]

Why would the league not allow anymore trades?

 

[BigBadBoris]

Sigh.






They have leadership, and they possess the puck well already. Weak reasoning on your part.

Iginla would make the first line possess the puck better just by the fact that he would not flub passes left and right like Dupuis usually does. Dupuis would also help puck possession on the third line by being a clear upgrade for Kennedy.



1.) You don't reward success with a demotion to the third line.

If there are players who are better suited for that position you do that every single time.

2.) Getting third and fourth line grit players are much easier to get than getting a guy who's near the end of the prime of his career.

Dupuis has grit enough for the third line

Because most of the reasons they want him are for reasons that don't exist.

You're just making stuff up at this point

 

[Shockmaster]

You're just making stuff up at this point

No, I'm just not enamored with getting a player for the sake of getting him. The team has bigger needs.

 

[Hottubber]

Well I didn't know I was in the presence of a hockey expert! I shall bow down to your smugness then!

Is Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis worse than Feds-Malkin-Talbot? How could an expert like you forget such a thing?

As for those matchups, I put the onus on Bylsma to do better in that area, much like he needs to start getting Malkin away Couturier during home games against the Flyers.



Some of the guys I like that could fill roles on the bottom 6 better than Kennedy and Glass are guys like Eric Fehr, Matt Hendricks, Nate Thompson, and Brendan Morrow. Wouldn't mind seeing Talbot back, but that's a pipe dream, and he's being paid a little too much for a bottom 6 role.

The Stars still have a shot at the playoffs, so I doubt Morrow is traded. The Lightning and Capitals are pretty much done, but I'm not sure if those teams are willing to accept that reality.

Fehr, Hendricks, Thompson, and Talbot were all posted on this board from a link to a couple other no reliable sites last week. Is this where you are getting the ideas or is it just that you think the same as those sites?

 

[Shockmaster]

Fehr, Hendricks, Thompson, and Talbot were all posted on this board from a link to a couple other no reliable sites last week. Is this where you are getting the ideas or is it just that you think the same as those sites?

No, I was just telling him what players I'd like to see the Penguins get, and I even admitted getting Talbot was a pipe dream and that he's slightly over paid right now.

You need to calm down and read carefully instead of making knee-jerk reactions.

 

[mpp9]

Caps aren't trading Hendricks. Fehr isn't much of an upgrade. Doesn't bring an edge to the game. Thompson is very important to the Bolts. And Talbot is a vastly overpaid 4th liner.

Anyone else?

 

[Hottubber]

No, I was just telling him what players I'd like to see the Penguins get, and I even admitted getting Talbot was a pipe dream and that he's slightly over paid right now.

You need to calm down and read carefully instead of making knee-jerk reactions.

Telling him as in me? As far as being calm and making knee-jerk reactions, I just stated that the exact list of players you listed (for the question I asked you) were the same players that a couple sites listed that the pens should target.

Settle down lil fella

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Paul Gaustad was traded for a 1st round pick last year. He was a UFA and is far from a great bottom-6 player. Dom Moore was a decent 3rd liner and got traded every year for a 2nd. Adding a good player for the bottom-6 isn't going to happen from trading TK+3rd round pick.

Iginla is going to pick the team he wants to be traded to and thus limit the return since only a couple of teams are in on him. Bottom-6 guys don't have that luxury and have every playoff and bubble team in the league bidding for them. People have to understand that the difference between acquiring Iginla and getting a good 3rd liner will not be as huge as you would think.

Gaustad AND a fourth rounder this year went for a first rounder. It wasn't a straight up first. There's a difference.

Also, Iginla may not even leave Calgary, so there will be no limiting the return. He holds all the cards, not the acquiring team.

Calgary can get what they can for him by April 3rd or lose him for nothing in free agency. It's in both parties' best interests to get something done.

If the Flames wanted more than an A prospect+1st then they should have moved him a couple years ago.

You assume he wants to leave Calgary. Calgary may not lose him at all. Or maybe they lose him for a few months and get some assets in the meantime.

They're not really under the gun here. Iginla may not want to leave at all.

 

[Shockmaster]

Telling him as in me? As far as being calm and making knee-jerk reactions, I just stated that the exact list of players you listed (for the question I asked you) were the same players that a couple sites listed that the pens should target.

Settle down lil fella

Hey lil guy, calm it. I was asked what players I would like to see the Penguins get, and I answered. I wasn't taking into account any other rumors or sources.

 

[plaidchuck]

So if a roster D goes that guarantees Eaton will dress every night right? Kind of opposite of what the hive mind here wants?

I can see Iginla go right back to Calgary at seasons/playoffs end no matter where he goes. Still think they will want more than Shero is willing to give.

 

[Shockmaster]

Gaustad AND a fourth rounder this year went for a first rounder. It wasn't a straight up first. There's a difference.

Also, Iginla may not even leave Calgary, so there will be no limiting the return. He holds all the cards, not the acquiring team.




You assume he wants to leave Calgary. Calgary may not lose him at all. Or maybe they lose him for a few months and get some assets in the meantime.

They're not really under the gun here. Iginla may not want to leave at all.

This really is the truth. People can argue about his impact on a team all they want, but the Flames don't have to give him away for the cheap. Considering where the Penguins are and what they'd have to give up for Iginla, he's just not worth it. There are bigger needs.