Boston Globe TD Garden concession workers contemplate strike

[CharasLazyWrister]

Why are you tipping for counter service anyway?

Somehow, it just feels right that if I’m going to pay $18 for a 16 oz beer that I spare another dollar for workers getting paid minimum wage.

 

[Ludwig Fell Down]

Is this true? That seems borderline illegal for a “no cash” concession business.

I believe it is, but the state has blessed it. The Sox went cashless a few years ago. AG Maura Healey first announced that she thought it was illegal. After a quick meeting with Red Sox Brass, she quickly rolled over and changed her tune.

 

[TD Charlie]

I believe it is, but the state has blessed it. The Sox went cashless a few years ago. AG Maura Healey first announced that she thought it was illegal. After a quick meeting with Red Sox Brass, she quickly rolled over and changed her tune.

I think they get around it by having reverse ATM’s. That was the plan at least. You feed the machine a crisp 20, and it spits out a card loaded with 20 arena bucks. I don’t know if that ever actually happened though. I guarantee they would only install such machines if they were legally obligated.

The no-cash thing was several seasons in the making. Delaware North surely did their due diligence with both the state and the union.

 

[EverettMike]

I believe it is, but the state has blessed it. The Sox went cashless a few years ago. AG Maura Healey first announced that she thought it was illegal. After a quick meeting with Red Sox Brass, she quickly rolled over and changed her tune.

:shocked face:

 

[McGarnagle]

Somehow, it just feels right that if I’m going to pay $18 for a 16 oz beer that I spare another dollar for workers getting paid minimum wage.

And now it's a $19 beer.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

And now it's a $19 beer.

and yet I feel infinitely better about spending that one additional dollar than I do any of the other 18.

 

[McGarnagle]

and yet I feel infinitely better about spending that one additional dollar than I do any of the other 18.

To each their own, but I don't ever feel good about indiscriminately giving away money.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

To each their own, but I don't ever feel good about indiscriminately giving away money.

How is me choosing to tip a dollar “indiscriminate”?

 

[TD Charlie]

To each their own, but I don't ever feel good about indiscriminately giving away money.

You get no satisfaction through generosity?

and yet I feel infinitely better about spending that one additional dollar than I do any of the other 18.

And if it’s cash, that entire dollar goes to the guy/gal you handed it to

As opposed to the other 18 dollars, 12.5 cents of each dollar made it towards the employees. Split by however many of them there are, then taxed six ways to sunday. I’ll estimate, and call it 4 cents of each of those dollars makes it to the pocket of who you intended.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

You get no satisfaction through generosity?


And if it’s cash, that entire dollar goes to the guy/gal you handed it to

As opposed to the other 18 dollars, 12.5 cents of each dollar made it towards the employees. Split by however many of them there are, then taxed six ways to sunday. I’ll estimate, and call it 4 cents of each of those dollars makes it to the pocket of who you intended.

Bingo.

The second portion of your comment is exactly why, despite its questionable origin, I like the concept of tipping as a consumer.

 

[PlayMakers]

What does AI eliminating jobs in the future have to do with bargaining for pay and benefits right now? They should all just deal with shitty pay now because the job may not exist in however many years?

Really, I’m curious as to your logic.

AI will potentially eliminate a huge swath of jobs, even ones now considered “skilled” employment positions. Should all of those millions of people just bend over and take whatever they’re given right now?

The article said part of what the union is seeking is protection against AI and automation taking their jobs. My only point was that I think that's a losing battle. Argue for better pay, argue for better benefits but I would think arguing to block 'progress' is a non-starter.

 

[TD Charlie]

Bingo.

The second portion of your comment is exactly why, despite its questionable origin, I like the concept of tipping as a consumer.

Find the right staff in the Garden, get to know them, offer to pay cash. If you play it proper I bet you can start getting 2 for 1 drinks.

Cash is still King for those in the know

 

[McGarnagle]

You get no satisfaction through generosity?


And if it’s cash, that entire dollar goes to the guy/gal you handed it to

As opposed to the other 18 dollars, 12.5 cents of each dollar made it towards the employees. Split by however many of them there are, then taxed six ways to sunday. I’ll estimate, and call it 4 cents of each of those dollars makes it to the pocket of who you intended.

Not really, no.

Bringing it back full circle, I support the employees trying to get a better bargaining agreement so they can get more money from the billion dollar corporation so that the burden doesn't get passed onto normal middle class people to supplement their income.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

The article said part of what the union is seeking is protection against AI and automation taking their jobs. My only point was that I think that's a losing battle. Argue for better pay, argue for better benefits but I would think arguing to block 'progress' is a non-starter.

Okay, I gotcha. That’s a fair point.

Not really, no.

Bringing it back full circle, I support the employees trying to get a better bargaining agreement so they can get more money from the billion dollar corporation so that the burden doesn't get passed onto normal middle class people to supplement their income.

If you’re buying a beer for 18 dollars, you are telling yourself an epic lie if you think tipping a dollar on top of that is a “burden”. Have you worked a job in food service? It’s the ultimate “more than meets the eye” job. Your sentiment signifies an under-appreciation to me, and that’s exactly why I feel it’s important to have the opportunity to tip.

And also, not getting satisfaction out of generosity is a very sad characteristic, whatever your opinion on tipping.

 

[McGarnagle]

Okay, I gotcha. That’s a fair point.



If you’re buying a beer for 18 dollars, you are telling yourself an epic lie if you think tipping a dollar on top of that is a “burden”. Have you worked a job in food service? It’s the ultimate “more than meets the eye” job. Your sentiment signifies an under-appreciation to me, and that’s exactly why I feel it’s important to have the opportunity to tip.

And also, not getting satisfaction out of generosity is a very sad characteristic, whatever your opinion on tipping.

I'll get gifts for family and close friends and will share with them, but I don't get off on being generous with random strangers to make myself feel better, I'm not a narcissist.

I've worked at restaurants, did food delivery in college, I even worked one summer in concessions at a minor league ballpark. When people left tips on the tip jar, it was cool, I enjoyed it. But never expected it or even understood why people would do that. But if they're rich and have extra money to just throw around, whatever. Again, to each their own.

 

[Gee Wally]

To each their own, but I don't ever feel good about indiscriminately giving away money.

 

[Morris Wanchuk]

If someone doesn't get a tipping wage, then I don't tip. Changed a bit during the pandemic due to wanting places to stay open but I am back to my old rule. If I am not sitting, I am not tipping.

 

[jgatie]

I tip anyone who handles my food or drink. Why you ask?

BECAUSE THEY HANDLE MY FOOD OR DRINK!!!!!

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I'll get gifts for family and close friends and will share with them, but I don't get off on being generous with random strangers to make myself feel better, I'm not a narcissist.

I've worked at restaurants, did food delivery in college, I even worked one summer in concessions at a minor league ballpark. When people left tips on the tip jar, it was cool, I enjoyed it. But never expected it or even understood why people would do that. But if they're rich and have extra money to just throw around, whatever. Again, to each their own.

This is one of the most backwards statements I have ever read. Handing a dollar to someone in appreciation of their efforts as they serve you is narcissistic. Wow, I’ve seen it all now.

I’m sure you’re an absolute pleasure to deal with in a service environment.

You just said that when people tipped you “it was cool, you enjoyed it”. YES AND THATS WHY I TIP! In the context of being gouged for a brewski, tipping an additional dollar is essentially nothing. And yet, for the person receiving it, it’s “cool” and they “enjoy” it. That’s why I like doing it. It costs me nearly nothing. My mindset compounded over a three or four hour period amongst hundreds of people makes a big impact on those few people.

 

[jgatie]

When I buy a coffee during the holidays, I hand a $20 thru the Drive-Thru window at Dunkin' and tell the High School kid/single mom/retiree working there to keep the change and "Merry Christmas". I love the look on their faces and a few times I've gotten a "You don't know how much this means!"

I guess I'm a narcissist.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

When I buy a coffee during the holidays, I hand a $20 thru the Drive-Thru window at Dunkin' and tell the High School kid/single mom/retiree working there to keep the change and "Merry Christmas". I love the look on their faces and a few times I've gotten a "You don't know how much this means!"

I guess I'm a narcissist.

Yes you should seek professional help immediately. Not sure you can be saved.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Okay, I gotcha. That’s a fair point.



If you’re buying a beer for 18 dollars, you are telling yourself an epic lie if you think tipping a dollar on top of that is a “burden”. Have you worked a job in food service? It’s the ultimate “more than meets the eye” job. Your sentiment signifies an under-appreciation to me, and that’s exactly why I feel it’s important to have the opportunity to tip.

And also, not getting satisfaction out of generosity is a very sad characteristic, whatever your opinion on tipping.

I don't think there's an option to tip a dollar it's minimum 15%. Pouring a beer takes 20 seconds.

We need to go to the European model where servers are compensated fairly and don't need to have their hand out for tips. Everyone not from America thinks it's ridiculous I was in a pub in Dublin a few weeks ago on a layover and the entire pub was talking about how they never want to visit the US again because it's too expensive to begin with and then people have the audacity to expect another 20% for nothing.

 

[Morris Wanchuk]

I don't think there's an option to tip a dollar it's minimum 15%. Pouring a beer takes 20 seconds.

We need to go to the European model where servers are compensated fairly and don't need to have their hand out for tips. Everyone not from America thinks it's ridiculous I was in a pub in Dublin a few weeks ago on a layover and the entire pub was talking about how they never want to visit the US again because it's too expensive to begin with and then people have the audacity to expect another 20% for nothing.

Servers dont want that, MA tried it and it failed.

 

[Gee Wally]

 

[McGarnagle]

Swayman probably doesn't tip