Proposal: TBL-PIT

[CheckingLineCenter]

Howard + Geekie + Sheary dump

for

Rakell

 

[Empoleon8771]

Getting both Geekie and Howard for Rakell seems too much. I think it should be Howard or Geekie plus Sheary for Rakell, that seems to be a bit more even.

 

[JTBF81]

Yeah, Tampa isn't moving both of them for Rakell. If Tampa had really wanted Rakell, they likely would've made a big offer for him instead of Bjorkstrand and Gourde. They really don't have the space next season (after likely re-signing Gourde and adding a few other smaller pieces) nor the real need for Rakell positionally at this time.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Getting both Geekie and Howard for Rakell seems too much. I think it should be Howard or Geekie plus Sheary for Rakell, that seems to be a bit more even.

Yeah, Tampa isn't moving both of them for Rakell. If Tampa had really wanted Rakell, they likely would've made a big offer for him instead of Bjorkstrand and Gourde. They really don't have the space next season (after likely re-signing Gourde and adding a few other smaller pieces) nor the real need for Rakell positionally at this time.

Ugh

 

[Bishop7979]

Getting both Geekie and Howard for Rakell seems too much. I think it should be Howard or Geekie plus Sheary for Rakell, that seems to be a bit more even.

I would agree if it weren't for taking back sheary.

Thats basically getting rakell at a 2 mil cap hit with the salary swap when rakell not only can be an impact player for them for the life of his contract, but he has great chemistry with Jake so, if they wanted to split Jake and kuch, it would give then insane depth in their top six with a kuch/hagel and rakell/Jake duos.

And Tampa always seems like a win now team and rakell is a win now move.

I love geekie's size and that he's responsible at both ends but I'm not 100 percent sold on him being, at best, anymore than a great 3rd line center in the mold of Jordan Staal, and I think the pens can do better than that, especially if they are taking back an AHL player with a 3 mil contract.

Full disclosure I wasn't ever totally sold on geekie at his draft position and I absolutely hate the idea of recycling sheary yet again, he's a terrible player and would get staples to sids hip when we should be looking at the young guys moving forward. So my valuation is skewed.

Since I'm sure I'd get piled on for turning down geekie, i'd rather add to rakell with some of our excess draft capital and even it out to get both players on top of taking back Conner effin sheary, that lucky charms mascot looking midget.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

He doesn't really solve a need while giving up the most crucial thing they have.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Howard for Wallinder

 

[RussianBum86]

I am sure the lightning can find a taker for Sheary with geekie for roster player for less if they need to make a cap move to bring up Howard.

 

[SEALBound]

If it's Geekie coming back to Pit, what is Tampa looking for, knowing the likelihood is extremely slim that McGroarty and Koivunen are on the table?

It think Geekie and Howard the kind of players Dubas should be targeting. It would be right in line with his desire to use his current draft capital to trade for young players.

 

[SEALBound]

I am sure the lightning can find a taker for Sheary with geekie for roster player for less if they need to make a cap move to bring up Howard.

Would a futures package make sense given Tampa's extreme lack?

 

[JTBF81]

Tampa made it clear with the trade for Bjorkstrand and Gourde that they were much more interested in moving picks and keeping their top prospects/young players. I doubt JBB is going to pivot now and move them for either futures that are even further away from NHL readiness, or a player that Tampa realistically can't afford (unless Gourde is gone, and even then, there's really no space for Rakell's 5.4 +an additional 4 or 5 players with the then 3.7ish that Tampa would have left over).

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Make more sense to send Rakell to the WC.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Tampa made it clear with the trade for Bjorkstrand and Gourde that they were much more interested in moving picks and keeping their top prospects/young players. I doubt JBB is going to pivot now and move them for either futures that are even further away from NHL readiness, or a player that Tampa realistically can't afford (unless Gourde is gone, and even then, there's really no space for Rakell's 5.4 +an additional 4 or 5 players with the then 3.7ish that Tampa would have left over).

Raks makes 5 flat. plus a 850k hit on Sheary going out. I would take a bad anchor contract! Tampa doesn’t have any though.

But I get why it’s unappealing. I do think Raks would be a great fit there though.

 

[bert]

Getting both Geekie and Howard for Rakell seems too much. I think it should be Howard or Geekie plus Sheary for Rakell, that seems to be a bit more even.

Its absurd.

 

[JTBF81]

Raks makes 5 flat. plus a 850k hit on Sheary going out. I would take a bad anchor contract! Tampa doesn’t have any though.

But I get why it’s unappealing. I do think Raks would be a great fit there though.

Yeah, I was conflating his hit with Bjorkstrand's I guess. I thought he would be a good fit at the deadline and was hoping for him or Bjorkstrand as the top 6 caliber add. I don't know if he's someone Tampa is going to go after now, although there would be a little more cap than I originally thought (4.95 vs 3.7). It wojld still mean not re-signing Gourde, who will come in cheaper, and not having much for any blueline help, if that's where they look at adding maybe. They have more familiarity with Gourde in the system as well, and ultimately, I don't know if they want to move Geekie or Howard just yet. Rakell on the 2nd line would be good though.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Massive overpay. No chance Tampa does that

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Massive overpay. No chance Tampa does that

People can legitimately criticize the proposal for TB based on need, but not on value. Who else is scoring like Rakell, with his cost-controlled cap hit, who would be remotely available?

I'll wait.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

People can legitimately criticize the proposal for TB based on need, but not on value. Who else is scoring like Rakell, with his cost-controlled cap hit, who would be remotely available?

I'll wait.

Well Donato is free this summer, he probably won't cost more than 5M

 

[wej20]

Well Donato is free this summer, he probably won't cost more than 5M

Good luck with that.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Good luck with that.

Sure?

 

[wej20]

Sure?

Donato's had a productive season but I'd be very surprised to see him be as productive on a good team.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Donato's had a productive season but I'd be very surprised to see him be as productive on a good team.

He has a lower S% than Rakell this seasons, so if we are betting on regression than it's a safe bet Rakell falls back to earth too.

Also Donato is tied for his team lead in points (currently 1 less points than Bedard but it's close), whereas Rakell has 20 less points than Crosby.

 

[wej20]

He has a lower S% than Rakell this seasons, so if we are betting on regression than it's a safe bet Rakell falls back to earth too.

Also Donato is tied for his team lead in points (currently 1 less points than Bedard but it's close), whereas Rakell has 20 less points than Crosby.

I'm betting on the guy who has scored 25+ goals 4 times in his career over the one who has only done it once after bouncing around multiple teams.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I'm betting on the guy who has scored 25+ goals 4 times in his career over the one who has only done it once after bouncing around multiple teams.

That's fine, if Rakell was a free agent this summer I would make that bet too. But he's not, and if the ask is 2 very good young players then the answer is no.

 

[SEALBound]

Look, this is a discussion board where the entire free world can discuss hockey player value. But if someone is suggestion Donato as a comp to Rakell...woof.