Confirmed Trade: [TBL/NSH] Ryan McDonagh and 2024 4th round pick for 2025 2nd and 2024 7th round picks

[LudwigVonKarlsson]

He's a locker room cancer that was on an untradeable contract.

Seems to be doing well in Dallas.

 

[triggrman]

So Nashville traded Phillip Myers who had 2 years left on his $2.55M contract for McDonagh, after 2 years of play from McDonagh Nashville trades him back with a 4th for a 2nd and a 7th? Sounds like Nashville did okay here. Got 2 years of leadership and good play, got rid of a bad contract in Myers and still got the 2nd round pick.

Seems to be doing well in Dallas.

Maybe he got the message.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

So Nashville traded Phillip Myers who had 2 years left on his $2.55M contract for McDonagh, after 2 years of play from McDonagh Nashville trades him back with a 4th for a 2nd and a 7th? Sounds like Nashville did okay here. Got 2 years of leadership and good play, got rid of a bad contract in Myers and still got the 2nd round pick.


Maybe he got the message.

You have to include the value of cap in any evaluation.

2 seasons ago, it was an entirely different world cap wise. Cap was more valuable than ever. With the cap finally going up this offseason, cap is less valuable than it was 2 seasons ago.

McDonagh is still a top pairing defender, and Tampa has the benefit of knowing that he is a fit in their system. They are unlikely to get a comparable player via trade or free agency for less. The only reason they got him for as little as a future 2nd is because he had trade protection.

It's a win for both sides. It's a very fair trade overall. Cap space and a 2nd goes to Nashville, and Tampa pays a 2nd for someone who should be a top pairing defender this upcoming season.

 

[57special]

Seems like a good deal for TBL. A bit puzzling from NSH's perspective, but maybe they are looking to compete in the future rather than now, while TBL are definitely still trying to win now? I mean, a 2nd, for a guy who is at the least a good #3 D, and who has a reasonable contract that goes away in a couple of years? Seems to be a buyers market.

 

[ThunderRoad]

Seems like a good deal for TBL. A bit puzzling from NSH's perspective, but maybe they are looking to compete in the future rather than now, while TBL are definitely still trying to win now? I mean, a 2nd, for a guy who is at the least a good #3 D, and who has a reasonable contract that goes away in a couple of years? Seems to be a buyers market.

Think it's already clear why Nashville did this as it was to respect a player's request. Ryan wanted to go back to Tampa - that has been established.

What is less clear is how Tampa is managing this with the cap issues and Stamkos contract needed. But perhaps this is part of the pitch to Stamkos for taking a lower AAV deal - we got your good friend McD back to improve the defense for compete level and overall team leadership.

Ryan immediately called Stamkos after all.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Seems to be doing well in Dallas.

Doing well on one of the best teams in the league (who made it to the Conference Finals the year before without you) in a season you're playing for probably your last big contract isn't exactly the most difficult of character challenges.

 

[bov]

Love it for Tampa and have to give credit to Nashville for granting his wish, really cool that they made something work.

Let's see what BriseBois has up his sleeve to re-sign Stamkos.

 

[Petes2424]

Except that Tampa doesn't really care much about picks that won't help this core in the next 2-3 years. They can still also keep Stamkos through a variety of ways to open up space, so no, them re-acquirinv McD does not signal that Stamkos is gone. All it means is that Tampa needed to improve significantly on the blueline after the last couple of seasons, and this trade does that.

They’re running out of assets, teams use to get creative, allowing themselves to keep making moves to maintain their contender status. That’s when the end starts creeping up on teams.

You simply can’t keep giving things away but never gaining anything in return for top players. They’ve now just handed ANOTHER top pick away, for 2 years of a player they will never get anything in return for. If they signed Stamkos, they’ll then be backed into a corner, having to cut salary. Means they can’t take any back in trades for anyone. So they’ll likely end up with less worth than what leaves the building. It’ll be another negative in overall value, and at this point that negative value is piling up over the last few years.

 

[Rschmitz]

They’re running out of assets, teams use to get creative, allowing themselves to keep making moves to maintain their contender status. That’s when the end starts creeping up on teams.

You simply can’t keep giving things away but never gaining anything in return for top players. They’ve now just handed ANOTHER top pick away, for 2 years of a player they will never get anything in return for. If they signed Stamkos, they’ll then be backed into a corner, having to cut salary. Means they can’t take any back in trades for anyone. So they’ll likely end up with less worth than what leaves the building. It’ll be another negative in overall value, and at this point that negative value is piling up over the last few years.

What I see is overconfidence from JBB in being able to find cheap/young talent without the use of picks. He found Jonathan Marchessault, Carter Verhaeghe, Yanni Gourde, Darren Raddysh, etc. all from signing them to AHL deals and having them work their way up. If your GM is doing that you can afford to be a little more loose with dealing futures.

The problem is that, he hasn't been able to repeat that success lately. Team desperately needs an injection of new young talent, but no dice.

 

[JTBF81]

They’re running out of assets, teams use to get creative, allowing themselves to keep making moves to maintain their contender status. That’s when the end starts creeping up on teams.

You simply can’t keep giving things away but never gaining anything in return for top players. They’ve now just handed ANOTHER top pick away, for 2 years of a player they will never get anything in return for. If they signed Stamkos, they’ll then be backed into a corner, having to cut salary. Means they can’t take any back in trades for anyone. So they’ll likely end up with less worth than what leaves the building. It’ll be another negative in overall value, and at this point that negative value is piling up over the last few years.

Considering the picks they moved out led to players that helped return two cups and nearly a third, I'd say the moves returned plenty. They certainly might not gain much, if anythjng, from moving out the lesser cap hits needed to keep Stamkos and fill out the final few spots, but they addressed the area they most needed to with the McD trade.

They also have several prospects that have potential to, at the very least, contribute in the middle/bottom 6 on offense. Sure, the lack.pf draft picks is somewhat concerning for further down the line, but for now, given Tampa's current approach and team makeup, it isn't. They ate still in a win now position with a good offense, improved defense, and a G that is still very good when on his game. They don't care about draft picks that have less than a 50% chance of ever being anything in the league until maybe 4 or 5 years from now. With Tampa's.main core still averaging just under 30, they have several years left where they can push for another Cup. The cap increasing will also allow them to increase their F depth over the next year or two, and some of their close to ready prospects should be able to help there as well.

 

[bov]

They’re running out of assets, teams use to get creative, allowing themselves to keep making moves to maintain their contender status. That’s when the end starts creeping up on teams.

You simply can’t keep giving things away but never gaining anything in return for top players. They’ve now just handed ANOTHER top pick away, for 2 years of a player they will never get anything in return for. If they signed Stamkos, they’ll then be backed into a corner, having to cut salary. Means they can’t take any back in trades for anyone. So they’ll likely end up with less worth than what leaves the building. It’ll be another negative in overall value, and at this point that negative value is piling up over the last few years.

It's called keeping a competitive team and adding good players. Absolutely pitiful watching people chirp about draft picks, as if the most successful organization of the last decade (arguably) doesn't know what they're doing.

 

[Vitto79]

No offense cause McD is still good but this is why Tampa is screwed

How is this a good idea? He’s a 3rd pair LD with them

 

[LeighDx59]

Doing well on one of the best teams in the league (who made it to the Conference Finals the year before without you) in a season you're playing for probably your last big contract isn't exactly the most difficult of character challenges.

He also has the luxury of not being counted on as THE guy in Dallas.

 

[Todd1a]

Cernak, Cirelli or Sergachev. Who's getting traded?

Jeannot and Sheary probably

 

[Todd1a]

No offense cause McD is still good but this is why Tampa is screwed

How is this a good idea? He’s a 3rd pair LD with them

You can ice 1 of hedman , MCD or serg an entire game vs lines

 

[More 2004]

No offense cause McD is still good but this is why Tampa is screwed

How is this a good idea? He’s a 3rd pair LD with them

No, he's not..

Hedman-Sergachev
McDonagh-Cernak

Top 4. Sergy can play the right side and most likely will.

 

[BLONG7]

So, who goes, in order to keep Stammer?
Even if he stays at a team friendly deal which would be 4-5M for another 2-3 seasons......going to be tight no matter how they play it......
JB will be getting creative around the draft??

 

[herzausstein]

McD had a good season last year. He did spend a fair amount of time with Josi so I'm not sure how that impacts his numbers but even away from Josi he looked good.

Curious as to what Trotz intends to do with the extra cap now. Could see him going after Pesce or Zadorov and of course an upgrade for the top of the forward group (preferably a center)

 

[LudwigVonKarlsson]

Doing well on one of the best teams in the league (who made it to the Conference Finals the year before without you) in a season you're playing for probably your last big contract isn't exactly the most difficult of character challenges.

NHLers have plenty of character issues and challenges from what we see, we just saw a player get suspended for 6 months for likely substance abuse issues. Is it possible that having a player like Duchene as a middle 6 forward helps make Dallas that good? Dallas' offense is much more balanced and spread out this year than last. Last year, the scoring leader had a 31-point lead while this year the lead has shrunk to 13. This year they have 9 players with 50 or more points, last year they had 6.

 

[Scoresberg]

McDonagh really upped his play with the Preds going from Year 1 to Year 2. During the first year, I was often baffled like was this guy the cornerstone of a Cup-winning team?

But he really came to his own this year, and was a valuable piece for us. Understand his desire to go home, obviously. Don't know how much he has left in the tank but I figure he can be a solid 4-5 for a couple years still, kind of like Martinez in VGK.

 

[triggrman]

You have to include the value of cap in any evaluation.

2 seasons ago, it was an entirely different world cap wise. Cap was more valuable than ever. With the cap finally going up this offseason, cap is less valuable than it was 2 seasons ago.

McDonagh is still a top pairing defender, and Tampa has the benefit of knowing that he is a fit in their system. They are unlikely to get a comparable player via trade or free agency for less. The only reason they got him for as little as a future 2nd is because he had trade protection.

It's a win for both sides. It's a very fair trade overall. Cap space and a 2nd goes to Nashville, and Tampa pays a 2nd for someone who should be a top pairing defender this upcoming season.

I think Nashville dumping 2 years of Myers was good for our cap 2 years ago. Myers wasn't a NHL level defenseman, and Nashville got to get that off the books while getting a productive player for just what $3.5M more per year? Pretty good asset management for Nashville.

I agree it's a win for both sides though.

 

[ShaneinTpa]

At 6.25 millions for 6 more years? I'll pass.

Ciao consider the fact that Cirelli is 25 and hasn’t reached his offensive peak. That’s not to suggest he will put up Stamokos numbers in that category but if he did, he’d be getting over $10 million a year when you consider everything else he does so well. As the cap continues to increase the $6.25 million will look like a bargain on this kid.

 

[boredmale]

Is there any team in the NHL that seems to love trading for 7th rounders more than Tampa?

 

[Todd1a]

So, who goes, in order to keep Stammer?
Even if he stays at a team friendly deal which would be 4-5M for another 2-3 seasons......going to be tight no matter how they play it......
JB will be getting creative around the draft??

Cirell is one option

Or you got to trade Sheary and Jeannot and basically sign guys for 775 k each to replace the 2

 

[StevenB]

I didn't even realize you could trade right now lol.

I assume we will see Carrier re-sign now...McD has been really good though. Stastney or Del Gaizo ready for full-time LH slots next year?

Afaik you can trade whenever; any players acquired after the deadline can’t be on your playoff roster