Confirmed Signing with Link: [TBL] Kucherov re-signs with the Lightning (8 years, $9.5M AAV)

[Starat327]

Ok. Let's think this through for a minute.

How exactly does the NHL enforce a system that is based on net income, not base salary? Let's say they implement this right now given the current political environment. The Canadian and high tax states get a bit of extra room to work with, so let's just say they are allocated an extra 20% cushion above the base US cap for states not affected by state income tax.

Toronto goes out and signs player X given this 20% cushion. He would have made $10 million in Florida, so they sign him to a 7 year, $12 million AAV contract.

Simultaneously, Tampa signs his equally gifted twin (Player Y) to a 7 year, $10 million contract.

The next year, a high-tax candidate is elected President of the United States. Federal income tax is raised 20%. Due to the base measure being increased, the 20% cushion is taken away from the Maple Leafs, or Tampa is given the same 20% cushion to work with. However, the salaries are set. Suddenly, Toronto is looking at a massive contract without the cushion, or Tampa is given extra cushion to work with, despite having already received the benefit of signing Player Y at a $2 million discount.

In year 3, the high-tax President is impeached and taxes are slashed in the US, 40% across the board (large, whole numbers for simplicity). Toronto is given an even larger cushion to work with, or Tampa's salary cap is slashed despite giving out a contract based on the past political climate.

During this time period, various local elections are occurring, state tax codes are being rewritten, and the political landscape marches on.

How exactly do you propose being a GM in this league? How will you ever give out a long term contract? How do you plan for political changes that are suddenly affecting how much cap space you have to work with?

All the while, you entice players to sign with you in your 'big market' team with endorsement deals that grossly affect your net income, that the NHL doesnt regulate.

 

[LeapOnOver]

You're saying all those players have negative value? Killorn's contract is probably the worst on that list but even that is not too bad. Callahan also has only two years left so someone will take him if we add something. Girardi and Coburn only have one year left, they wouldn't be a problem. Palat, Miller, Johnson and Strålman have at least decent contracts and all of them would return value if we were to trade them.

Pretty normal response for a fan of their team. Girardi and Coburn having one year left actually makes them both straight up cap dumps where you would have to unload a draft pick to get relief for 1 year. JT Miller just extended and teams don't normally trade players like that because it will get them a bad rep. Johnson has value, but Palat is slightly overpaid. I still think you can get value for him. Stralman won't net much he's on the wrong side of his contract at this point at 31 years old. The way I am looking at it you've only got two names you can trade outright and have a good hockey trade, the others are all cap dumps and are going to cost you assets to get rid of them.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Lmao. If you think teams aren't taking Palat, Johnson, Killorn or Stralman at the very least, you clearly just don't understand what you're even talking about.

Or i'm not a Lightning fan with a blown up idea of their own players.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Are people still talking about taxes? Holy...

 

[T REX]

Ok. Let's think this through for a minute.

How exactly does the NHL enforce a system that is based on net income, not base salary? Let's say they implement this right now given the current political environment. The Canadian and high tax states get a bit of extra room to work with, so let's just say they are allocated an extra 20% cushion above the base US cap for states not affected by state income tax.

Toronto goes out and signs player X given this 20% cushion. He would have made $10 million in Florida, so they sign him to a 7 year, $12 million AAV contract.

Simultaneously, Tampa signs his equally gifted twin (Player Y) to a 7 year, $10 million contract.

The next year, a high-tax candidate is elected President of the United States. Federal income tax is raised 20%. Due to the base measure being increased, the 20% cushion is taken away from the Maple Leafs, or Tampa is given the same 20% cushion to work with. However, the salaries are set. Suddenly, Toronto is looking at a massive contract without the cushion, or Tampa is given extra cushion to work with, despite having already received the benefit of signing Player Y at a $2 million discount.

In year 3, the high-tax President is impeached and taxes are slashed in the US, 40% across the board (large, whole numbers for simplicity). Toronto is given an even larger cushion to work with, or Tampa's salary cap is slashed despite giving out a contract based on the past political climate.

During this time period, various local elections are occurring, state tax codes are being rewritten, and the political landscape marches on.

How exactly do you propose being a GM in this league? How will you ever give out a long term contract? How do you plan for political changes that are suddenly affecting how much cap space you have to work with?

HELLO? Are you loophole whack-a-doodles hearing this? There's no way to implement this. Stop crying about it. Take your puck and go home. I'm really tired of reading about it in every other thread. Take some midol and buck the hell up already. Go see a therapist. DO something but stop clogging these threads with incessant whining. You people look like little kids crying because you dropped your ice cream cone on the ground.

Please, for the love of God, shut the hell up.

 

[mashedpotato]

Good deal for Toronto - sets the market expectation for Nylander well below 8x9.5...

Thrilled this happened.

 

[Pens x]

Are people still talking about taxes? Holy...

But but but the taxes!!!

 

[Pens x]

Good deal for Toronto - sets the market expectation for Nylander well below 8x9.5...

Thrilled this happened.

Nylander has to double his goal production to be in the same category as Kucherov. So yes, this should knock Nylander down a peg or two.
We made it a couple of pages without mentioning the Leafs. Yay.

 

[Donnie D]

Personally, I'm not sure how Cooper still has a job. His system is very uninspired and his team underachieves from year to year.

He has a job because he is one of the best coaches in the league. They lost in 7 games to the SC champions. That's not an underachieving performance.

 

[Donnie D]

Our core is Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, Vasilevskiy, (Point). Anybody else is up for debate.

Callahan $5.8M
Palat $5.3M
Miller $5.25M
Johnson $5.0M
Stralman $4.5M
Killorn $4.45M
Girardi $3.0M

Lots of options to free up cap space. And all will be considered if it's what it takes to land EK.

Except all of them, except Callahan, Miller and Stralman have NTC

 

[Master P]

Are people still talking about taxes? Holy...

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Are people still talking about taxes? Holy...

Two certainties in life: death and taxes (except in Florida)

 

[Critical13]

We'll start hating when you win a cup

 

[Donnie D]

Palat has to submit a 20 team trade list.

In 2021

 

[These Are The Days]

Peanut butter and jealous

 

[LightningStorm]

Feel great about this deal extending Kuch. Under $10M AAV is a deal I'd take for him in a heartbeat. Length is pretty good too with it ending when he's 34.

 

[God King Fudge]

Or i'm not a Lightning fan with a blown up idea of their own players.

Or, like I said, you don't understand what you're talking about.

Palat is one of the better defensive forwards in the game, Johnson is a useful (albeit fading in the organization it seems) 2C that has potential to do more, Killorn could probably go either way depending on how much a GM likes his game, and Stralman is one of the best #3-#4 guys in the league.

You can just excuse yourself from participating in this discussion any further.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Can't believe how many people are acting like this is a bargain contract. It's awful, and Kucherov won't live up to it.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Or, like I said, you don't understand what you're talking about.

Palat is one of the better defensive forwards in the game, Johnson is a useful (albeit fading in the organization it seems) 2C that has potential to do more, Killorn could probably go either way depending on how much a GM likes his game, and Stralman is one of the best #3-#4 guys in the league.

You can just excuse yourself from participating in this discussion any further.

Well you are 100% agreeing with what I said, you probably just didn't see the other post. I clarified that I only believe Palat and Johnson have any value. You are adding that Killorn could go either way and I also agree.

You do realize 'licking your chops' means being excited to get the players because they are hot commodities. None of them are, but we both agree that Johnson and Palat have value to the right team and possibly Killorn. Still, it was a long list and horribly inaccurate that some of those guys are going to be easy to move.

So does that mean you can be excused from participating in the conversation as well, or do you just like to combat snarkiness with snarkiness?

 

[LeapOnOver]

Can't believe how many people are acting like this is a bargain contract. It's awful, and Kucherov won't live up to it.

Can't believe one person thinks it isn't, lol. I wonder who will be right....

 

[Legion34]

Ok. Let's think this through for a minute.

How exactly does the NHL enforce a system that is based on net income, not base salary? Let's say they implement this right now given the current political environment. The Canadian and high tax states get a bit of extra room to work with, so let's just say they are allocated an extra 20% cushion above the base US cap for states not affected by state income tax.

Toronto goes out and signs player X given this 20% cushion. He would have made $10 million in Florida, so they sign him to a 7 year, $12 million AAV contract.

Simultaneously, Tampa signs his equally gifted twin (Player Y) to a 7 year, $10 million contract.

The next year, a high-tax candidate is elected President of the United States. Federal income tax is raised 20%. Due to the base measure being increased, the 20% cushion is taken away from the Maple Leafs, or Tampa is given the same 20% cushion to work with. However, the salaries are set. Suddenly, Toronto is looking at a massive contract without the cushion, or Tampa is given extra cushion to work with, despite having already received the benefit of signing Player Y at a $2 million discount.

In year 3, the high-tax President is impeached and taxes are slashed in the US, 40% across the board (large, whole numbers for simplicity). Toronto is given an even larger cushion to work with, or Tampa's salary cap is slashed despite giving out a contract based on the past political climate.

During this time period, various local elections are occurring, state tax codes are being rewritten, and the political landscape marches on.

How exactly do you propose being a GM in this league? How will you ever give out a long term contract? How do you plan for political changes that are suddenly affecting how much cap space you have to work with?

You do realize that all of these issues could cause issues for a hard cap system to right? Didnt stopnthe league from putting one in. The NHL gives teams their cap numbers for the next year in June teams sign long term contracts for 8 years without knowing what the cap could be. Anything can happen

Teams base their caps 8 years in advance based on hockey related revenue. They are a ton more volitile than long standing taxes.

The nhl can figure out escrow. Hockey related revenues billion dollar revenues and taxes for an international corporation with 31 franchises where they all operate under different rules.

Yep. I think they could figure it out.

 

[Legion34]

HELLO? Are you loophole whack-a-doodles hearing this? There's no way to implement this. Stop crying about it. Take your puck and go home. I'm really tired of reading about it in every other thread. Take some midol and buck the hell up already. Go see a therapist. DO something but stop clogging these threads with incessant whining. You people look like little kids crying because you dropped your ice cream cone on the ground.

Please, for the love of God, shut the hell up.

You might not want them to. You might be sure they be never will. But of course they could figure out a system. They figure out the cap based on HRR, sales. Contracts etc. They could easily come up with a correction formula with a cushion for higher tax areas.

 

[Seanaconda]

People mad at Florida's taxes like if they made the cap somehow even people wouldn't just go live there anyways

 

[Seanaconda]

People mad at Florida's taxes like if they made the cap somehow even people wouldn't just go live there anyways

I live in Edmonton and it's beautiful during the summer when hockey isn't played

 

[CapsJunkie]

kicking good playa