Value of: Taylor Hall

[crowi]

IMO Boston should keep him. He had a bad year. If that happens again, then sure move him for anything.

 

[slappipappi]

IMO Boston should keep him. He had a bad year. If that happens again, then sure move him for anything.

If he has another bad year, they’ll be stuck with him until his contract runs out.

He’s likely movable today.

 

[crowi]

If he has another bad year, they’ll be stuck with him until his contract runs out.

He’s likely movable today.

I suppose its up for conversation. IMO Hall has been playing well, he doesn't have some 10 year retirement deal. I'd definitely consider Hall to the Ducks next summer.

 

[wintersej]

IMO Boston should keep him. He had a bad year. If that happens again, then sure move him for anything.

I don't think Boston fans would tell you he had a bad year in the slightest. He just played on a line with a 3rd liner and a 4th liner that got a lot of defensive matchups because the teams wanted 1) to spread out the offense around the lineup and 2) get Zacha chemistry with Pastrnak.

 

[dixie]

Might need to be part of a package to get value for him.Problem is that you Don t know the no trade teams involved!Would love to see an old fashion hockey blockbuster like Hall,Ullmark and Carlo to Calgary for Lindholm,Hanifan,and Coleman!

 

[KevinRedkey]

Would give a 2nd with no salary going back to Boston, if the Sens move on from DeBrincat.

Would be interested in adding Ullmark somehow as well.

 

[BlackFrancis]

I don't think Boston fans would tell you he had a bad year in the slightest. He just played on a line with a 3rd liner and a 4th liner that got a lot of defensive matchups because the teams wanted 1) to spread out the offense around the lineup and 2) get Zacha chemistry with Pastrnak.

That, and after he got hurt before Christmas, he basically stopped scoring for close to two months before they IR'd him.

Came back looking normal.

Not sure why they kept rolling him out there hurt, but I imagine it had something to do with his stubbornness.

 

[wintersej]

Would give a 2nd with no salary going back to Boston, if the Sens move on from DeBrincat.

Would be interested in adding Ullmark somehow as well.

I would suspect the Bruins would LOVE Pinto and would package Ullmark and Hall and Frederic whatever else. Bruins need a young C and not many teams out there with a young potential #2C that is stuck behind CLEARLY better players like Norris and Stutzle and Bruins have surplus in net and wing.

 

[KevinRedkey]

I would suspect the Bruins would LOVE Pinto and would package Ullmark and Hall and Frederic whatever else. Bruins need a young C and not many teams out there with a young potential #2C that is stuck behind CLEARLY better players like Norris and Stutzle and Bruins have surplus in net and wing.

My guess is Swayman would need to be the target if Pinto were to be involved. Even then, I think Dorion would need to get fired for the Sens to remotely consider moving Pinto for anything within reason. He seems to love the guy.

 

[wintersej]

My guess is Swayman would need to be the target if Pinto were to be involved. Even then, I think Dorion would need to get fired for the Sens to remotely consider moving Pinto for anything within reason. He seems to love the guy.

More than fair, but easy to see how it could make the Sens much better without hurting them much on the ice given Norris coming back.

 

[herzausstein]

If any team is looking to dump cap to make room for UFAs, i dont see why any team looking to compete just doesnt go after the UFAs themselves. Also, if the goal is to clear cap for a UFA, i dont see many competitors being able to take his full caphit without having to make their own cap maneuvers. Maybe a mid round pick or two if you can find a taker with capspace that isnt interested in any of the UFAs but theres some ufas id rather have than hall and theyre free

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

IMO Boston should keep him. He had a bad year. If that happens again, then sure move him for anything.

Oddly enough, it was not a bad year. Coyle is a possession player, and Frederic is... Frederic. A terrible position for a playmaker such as Hall. He was dominant in the playoffs however as he and Coyle dragged Frederic to a positive impact. Hall leaving hurts the Bruins. They should not lightly trade him unless all other salary cap options are explored.

 

[Hookslide]

I'm inclined to agree, but I am also curious if DeBrusk could not be part of the package for that mythical C.

DeBrusk is playing is off wing because they are and have not been deep a RW in quite sometime , so you use DeBrusk to get you a center and will be looking for a RW , not sure that helps the problem. Remember he was put on his off wing because Sweeney had failed to solve the problem , a problem solved by their ex-coach who is coaching in the SC , because he was to tough too play for..........

 

[Hookslide]

Might need to be part of a package to get value for him.Problem is that you Don t know the no trade teams involved!Would love to see an old fashion hockey blockbuster like Hall,Ullmark and Carlo to Calgary for Lindholm,Hanifan,and Coleman!

I don't want Coleman for 4 more years at that cost , would like Lindholm but what is he looking for and Hanifan would be nice but is a FA and Carlo is signed to a team friendly contract............I would do Ullmark for Hanifan or Lindholm but not likely to happen......

 

[BKarchitect]

If any team is looking to dump cap to make room for UFAs, i dont see why any team looking to compete just doesnt go after the UFAs themselves. Also, if the goal is to clear cap for a UFA, i dont see many competitors being able to take his full caphit without having to make their own cap maneuvers. Maybe a mid round pick or two if you can find a taker with capspace that isnt interested in any of the UFAs but theres some ufas id rather have than hall and theyre free

UFA’s, even ones in their early 30’s like Hall are going to be wanting big term.

There may be some specific situations where a team can’t justify going 4 or 5+ years on a big deal for a free agent but can perhaps fit Hall’s two years into their structure. Not saying they would be a suitor but look at a team like Colorado who will have Landeskog’s cap at least freed up for a year and a huge hole in the top six. With Landeskog still potentially coming back after this year, the Nuke situation murky and somebody like Toews to think about re-signing - they aren’t likely to engage in big long-term UFA bidding but may be able to free up short term space.

There may also be some rebuilding teams who could use some more veteran offensive punch to help their younger core along but also don’t want to commit to anything long-term. What if the Hawks or Sharks want to ensure their young core has some veteran presence but aren’t ready to break the bank on a long-term deal for some UFA they aren’t convinced should be a core player in 3 or 4 years? Hall’s two year deal is the perfect complimentary length. Flush with prospects and picks, giving up a couple of good (but not like 1st rounder) picks may be worth it to help shepherd the young talent.

I’m not saying Hall is going to get a haul in return but there will be certain teams, if he’s available, that will definitely find his co tract situation more appealing that bidding on long-term UFA deals. UFAs aren’t free at all - there’s term and bidding pricing baked into their new deals. Future cap flexibility is worth far more than picks to a lot of clubs.

 

[dugg133]

IMO Boston should keep him. He had a bad year. If that happens again, then sure move him for anything.

Honestly I wouldn't even say he had a bad year, our depth once everyone got healthy just forced him onto the 3rd line in a more defensive role then he's ever had before. His offensive zone start % went down by like 20% from last season and he took it in stride and accepted a new role. Then we get to the playoffs and Bergeron and Krejci are hurt, pushing Hall back into the top 6, and he has 5 goals and 8 points in 7 games. I don't think any of that actually helps his trade value, but if he is put on the market someone is gonna get a steal by getting him for like a 3rd+.

 

[Bond]

Might need to be part of a package to get value for him.Problem is that you Don t know the no trade teams involved!Would love to see an old fashion hockey blockbuster like Hall,Ullmark and Carlo to Calgary for Lindholm,Hanifan,and Coleman!

That's a pretty good deal for Boston I am sure you'd like it lol

 

[shortfuze]

If Hall doesn't want to move, he won't have to. NMC + 16 team NTC is basically a full NMC in Hall's situation.

Maybe there will be a team that takes him on for a mid pick and salary going the other way.

Isn’t a no movement clause essentially a no trade clause?

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Would Detroit work?

(If Hall waives)

 

[wintersej]

DeBrusk is playing is off wing because they are and have not been deep a RW in quite sometime , so you use DeBrusk to get you a center and will be looking for a RW , not sure that helps the problem. Remember he was put on his off wing because Sweeney had failed to solve the problem , a problem solved by their ex-coach who is coaching in the SC , because he was to tough too play for..........

For next year, sure. But at some point you gotta throw Lysell in the top 6.

Isn’t a no movement clause essentially a no trade clause?

NMC can have expansion draft clauses, AHL clauses and / or trade clauses. Don’t know if his NMC is about AHL, expansion or both but his trade clause is separate.

 

[BlackFrancis]

For next year, sure. But at some point you gotta throw Lysell in the top 6.



NMC can have expansion draft clauses, AHL clauses and / or trade clauses. Don’t know if his NMC is about AHL, expansion or both but his trade clause is separate.

I don't think it's AHL specific, but just bars waivers - the biggest reason for NMCs, as you need to be waived in order to be bought out.

 

[wintersej]

I don't think it's AHL specific, but just bars waivers - the biggest reason for NMCs, as you need to be waived in order to be bought out.

Right I forgot that nuance!

 

[dredeye]

Would give a 2nd with no salary going back to Boston, if the Sens move on from DeBrincat.

Would be interested in adding Ullmark somehow as well.

I think a second or late would work but the problem is I think they Bruins need the 2nd to be this year. What’s the offer on Hall and Ullmark?