Value of: Taylor Hall

[dugg133]

In Friedman's most recent 32 Thoughts he wrote that the Bruins are exploring ways to keep Bertuzzi, to me this means trading Hall. Given our cap situation, paying Hall 6 mil to play 3rd line wing again is a luxury we just can't afford.

Hall has 2 years left at 6 mil AAV with a 16 team NTC that becomes a 10 team NTC on July 1st. He had 36 points in 61 games this year, good for 48 point pace, and then followed that up with a very good series against the Cats. 5G-3A-8P over the 7 game series, was probably our most consistent forward on a game to game basis. His regular season totals may not have been super impressive, but he also was playing a more defensive 3rd line role for most of the year, and imo he's 100% still a top 6 guy. That being said I can't imagine there's a huge market for him given his salary, age, and injury history.

So my questions are what teams could be potential landing spots for him and what would the return look?

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[Forge]

Maybe a couple of picks? A second and 4th maybe? If this is a cap move, with some no trade limitations, I don't know why this trade return is substantially higher than the Oliver Bjorkstrand trade, tbh (which was a third and fourth)

 

[Mighty Makar]

Paging @Avs_19.

 

[Irie]

Two year left with 12.5M in real dollars owed. Just had a 16 goals and 36 points in a 61 game season

Like @Forge said, If Bjorkstrand at 5.4M got a 3rd and a 4th coming off of a 28 goal campaign in this cap strapped landscape, I don't think the math is very promising for a return on Taylor Hall.

 

[Weltschmerz]

The last time he got a late second and a cap dump.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

In Friedman's most recent 32 Thoughts he wrote that the Bruins are exploring ways to keep Bertuzzi, to me this means trading Hall. Given our cap situation, paying Hall 6 mil to play 3rd line wing again is a luxury we just can't afford.

Hall has 2 years left at 6 mil AAV with a 16 team NTC that becomes a 10 team NTC on July 1st. He had 36 points in 61 games this year, good for 48 point pace, and then followed that up with a very good series against the Cats. 5G-3A-8P over the 7 game series, was probably our most consistent forward on a game to game basis. His regular season totals may not have been super impressive, but he also was playing a more defensive 3rd line role for most of the year, and imo he's 100% still a top 6 guy. That being said I can't imagine there's a huge market for him given his salary, age, and injury history.

So my questions are what teams could be potential landing spots for him and what would the return look?

It would be insane to move Hall to sign Bertuzzi. Bruins lack Cs under contract and Marchand, Pasta, DeBrusk as high priced wingers with no cap space.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Honestly Chicago to play on a line with Bedard if the price is cheap

 

[Ace0813]

The last time he got a late second and a cap dump.

He also controlled the destination he was being traded to.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Honestly Chicago to play on a line with Bedard if the price is cheap

Would mean hall had played with

RNH
Yak
McDavid
Hischier
Hughes
Dahlin
Bedard

Has to be a record?

 

[wintersej]

Two year left with 12.5M in real dollars owed. Just had a 16 goals and 36 points in a 61 game season

Like @Forge said, If Bjorkstrand at 5.4M got a 3rd and a 4th coming off of a 28 goal campaign in this cap strapped landscape, I don't think the math is very promising for a return on Taylor Hall.

The asterisk of course being that he was playing on the third line with Charlie Coyle and Trent Frederic. Coyle had his second best season ever with Hall and Frederic his best season.

He is elite and taking the puck from the d-zone and center ice and getting it into the offensive zone with control. He is very good on the rush as a play maker and very good on the rush at getting control in the o-zone and getting the play setup if there isn't a good rush chance.

Once that puck is in the offensive zone, it really depends on who he is playing with what happens to it, but he is able to give the guys he is playing with MORE opportunity to do good things with the puck. Once the team is setup in the o-zone he is fine, but nothing special. Not trying to over sell him here. He can use his speed to score some goals, but that isn't his primary game.

When he played with Krejci or Pasta over the last 2.5 seasons he was closer to PPG because he was getting guys that could make things happen in the offensive zone more chances. When playing with bottom six talent... well... he wasn't close to PPG... but those guys did have great years relative for them. He isn't like a Crosby level player that can turn bottom six guys into top six guys and never had been.

Next season he will likely be back in the top six in Boston (assuming no Krejci and Zacha sliding over to center). I don't think the team LOVES the makeup of a Hall Zacha Pastrnak line. Too much emphasis on the rush. They would probably prefer Bertuzzi Zacha Pastrnak for a more balanced approach.

I don't think Bruins would get great value for him. But, I don't think they would have to pay to move him or anything like that.

 

[wintersej]

It would be insane to move Hall to sign Bertuzzi. Bruins lack Cs under contract and Marchand, Pasta, DeBrusk as high priced wingers with no cap space.

I'm inclined to agree, but I am also curious if DeBrusk could not be part of the package for that mythical C.

 

[The don godfather]

Donny will keep him hes solid at 6 million.

 

[PAZ]

If Hall doesn't want to move, he won't have to. NMC + 16 team NTC is basically a full NMC in Hall's situation.

Maybe there will be a team that takes him on for a mid pick and salary going the other way.

 

[Irie]

The asterisk of course being that he was playing on the third line with Charlie Coyle and Trent Frederic. Coyle had his second best season ever with Hall and Frederic his best season.

He is elite and taking the puck from the d-zone and center ice and getting it into the offensive zone with control. He is very good on the rush as a play maker and very good on the rush at getting control in the o-zone and getting the play setup if there isn't a good rush chance.

Once that puck is in the offensive zone, it really depends on who he is playing with what happens to it, but he is able to give the guys he is playing with MORE opportunity to do good things with the puck. Once the team is setup in the o-zone he is fine, but nothing special. Not trying to over sell him here. He can use his speed to score some goals, but that isn't his primary game.

When he played with Krejci or Pasta over the last 2.5 seasons he was closer to PPG because he was getting guys that could make things happen in the offensive zone more chances. When playing with bottom six talent... well... he wasn't close to PPG... but those guys did have great years relative for them. He isn't like a Crosby level player that can turn bottom six guys into top six guys and never had been.

Next season he will likely be back in the top six in Boston (assuming no Krejci and Zacha sliding over to center). I don't think the team LOVES the makeup of a Hall Zacha Pastrnak line. Too much emphasis on the rush. They would probably prefer Bertuzzi Zacha Pastrnak for a more balanced approach.

I don't think Bruins would get great value for him. But, I don't think they would have to pay to move him or anything like that.

But he also likely drew the softest D match-ups of his career playing on such a deep team - fact is there are a lot of variables we can use to frame an argument, and Hall has had several down years in a row now.

I am not saying he is a bad player, just that the current cap landscape is bonkers when it comes to actual value of good wingers who aren't overly physical and make more than 5M.

Bjorkstrand is a great player. High level of compete and does all the little intangible things really well, but there is not much of a physical aspect to his game, and thus, his value was peanuts for a 28G winger in his prime. He was younger and cheaper than Hall, and Hall has a NTC that he has used to leverage the situation in the past.

Contenders can't afford his contract because the bruins can't take back a cap dump to make salaries work. He's played for 5 teams now and rebuilding teams aren't going to be inclined to pay much for him (assuming they aren't even on his NTC).

For the record, I never said he was a dump, just that his value is limited.

I will eat crow if I am wrong, but I strongly believe the return is going to be much less than one would expect for a player that brings what Hall does on the ice.

 

[wintersej]

But he also likely drew the softest D match-ups of his career playing on such a deep team - fact is there are a lot of variables we can use to frame an argument, and Hall has had several down years in a row now.

I am not saying he is a bad player, just that the current cap landscape is bonkers when it comes to actual value of good wingers who aren't overly physical and make more than 5M.

Bjorkstrand is a great player. High level of compete and does all the little intangible things really well, but there is not much of a physical aspect to his game, and thus, his value was peanuts for a 28G winger in his prime. He was younger and cheaper than Hall, and Hall has a NTC that he has used to leverage the situation in the past.

Contenders can't afford his contract because the bruins can't take back a cap dump to make salaries work. He's played for 5 teams now and rebuilding teams aren't going to be inclined to pay much for him (assuming they aren't even on his NTC).

For the record, I never said he was a dump, just that his value is limited.

I will eat crow if I am wrong, but I strongly believe the return is going to be much less than one would expect for a player that brings what Hall does on the ice.

Yeah I don't think WE disagree, but I know there are going to be people that come in and say "oh, well what pick are the Bruins giving?".

 

[BKarchitect]

His underlying metrics are still solid. His counting stats are suppressed by his usage on a deep Bruins team. He's still a solid second line winger for basically anybody. I chuckle when people think Jamie Benn is some sort of renaissance man and think Hall has completely lost it when in fact, if you look under the hood and look at what their on-ice impacts for their team at even-strength - in many ways it's actually the reverse.

But yeah, the contract...I mean it's not hideous but finding a suitor with $6 AAV laying around the next couple of seasons who is also willing to give you high level assets will be tough. And teams know the Bruins are in a tough spot.

 

[BronxBruin]

It would be insane to move Hall to sign Bertuzzi. Bruins lack Cs under contract and Marchand, Pasta, DeBrusk as high priced wingers with no cap space.

I guess it depends on a) if you think Hall is better than Bertuzzi & b) what sort of contract Bertuzzi would require. I think most Bruins would say Bertuzzi played better than Hall this year but Bert skated with much better players (namely Pastrnak) and got prime PP time. And despite that, Hall still produced in the playoffs. It's not unreasonable to think Hall's numbers will bounce back with better linemates and PP time. So production-wise, it's probably a wash.
It's hard to predict Bert's contract at this point. I saw someone estimate $5.25M. If that's the case, then signing him, trading Hall for a pick, and saving $750K makes sense. But if Bert makes $6M or above, then it's debatable whether it's worth it for the B's to have to clear even more space (besides Hall) when next year is already going to be super tight.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I guess it depends on a) if you think Hall is better than Bertuzzi & b) what sort of contract Bertuzzi would require. I think most Bruins would say Bertuzzi played better than Hall this year but Bert skated with much better players (namely Pastrnak) and got prime PP time. And despite that, Hall still produced in the playoffs. It's not unreasonable to think Hall's numbers will bounce back with better linemates and PP time. So production-wise, it's probably a wash.
It's hard to predict Bert's contract at this point. I saw someone estimate $5.25M. If that's the case, then signing him, trading Hall for a pick, and saving $750K makes sense. But if Bert makes $6M or above, then it's debatable whether it's worth it for the B's to have to clear even more space (besides Hall) when next year is already going to be super tight.

I'd argue they are both luxuries right now. Bertuzzi will require a longer contract than what Hall has right now and its not a priority.

 

[bossram]

Unironically, if there is a falling out between one of Meier or Bratt, I would definitely be interested in bringing Hall back to NJ as a stop-gap replacement.

 

[SEALBound]

I would like the Penguins to be interested if the price is around what Bjorkstrand got.

 

[Bond]

Depending on what the flames do I could see him being a target

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Unironically, if there is a falling out between one of Meier or Bratt, I would definitely be interested in bringing Hall back to NJ as a stop-gap replacement.

Yeah, I know Hall isn't the same player as he used to be, but I wouldn't hate to see him play with Nico again.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Hall to Montréal, we need a good first next year

 

[PlayMakers]

If Hall doesn't want to move, he won't have to. NMC + 16 team NTC is basically a full NMC in Hall's situation.

Maybe there will be a team that takes him on for a mid pick and salary going the other way.

I believe Hall's NTC goes down to 10 teams on July 1st.

 

[Leafshater67]

Carolina and the Pens gotta be interested right?