With San Jose missing out on John Tavares this off season and acquiring Karlsson, who is/would have been the better add?
Edit: Mod can you please add poll. SOB I forgot.
Edit: Mod can you please add poll. SOB I forgot.
Yep.Uhhh a top 3 player vs 20ish player?
Who on Earth would choose tavares.
Karlsson is better offensively and defensively.
Chances are if Tavares agreed to go to San Jose they never end up trading for Karlsson. So at the time the Sharks wanted Tavares instead of him.Uhhh a top 3 player vs 20ish player?
Who on Earth would choose tavares.
Karlsson is better offensively and defensively.
Chances are if Tavares agreed to go to San Jose they never end up trading for Karlsson. So at the time the Sharks wanted Tavares instead of him.
I said chances were if they got Tavares I don't think they trade for Karlsson. It's not like I said 100% without a doubt singing Tavares meant no chance they trade for him.You’re coming to the conclusion they wouldn’t have preferred Karlsson, if they knew they could get him. That part is your own interpretation, and you can’t really know that. None of us can. It sounds nice, but you’re subtlety suggesting they would value Tavares over Karlsson, and that’s not a statement you can support.
I said chances were if they got Tavares I don't think they trade for Karlsson. It's not like I said 100% without a doubt singing Tavares meant no chance they trade for him.
If I had said if they signed Tavares chances are they don't end up re-signing Joe Thornton since both play Centre and Tavares is a lot younger would you not agree?
Obviously that was true since they reportedly offered him 7 years at $91 million which would have been a #13 million AAV. So no one can dispute that for a short period of time that Tavares was the Sharks #1 priority to sign instead of trying to trade for Karlsson.“So at the time the Sharks wanted Tavares instead of him.”
Obviously that was true since they reportedly offered him 7 years at $91 million which would have been a #13 million AAV. So no one can dispute that for a short period of time that Tavares was the Sharks #1 priority to sign instead of trying to trade for Karlsson.
There is a thing called trade rumors and prior to July 1st I remember Karlsson's name was talked about in trades to Tampa Bay and Las Vegas. So if San Jose was interested in trading for him at the same time they wanted to sign Tavares I'm sure people like Bob McKenzie and Pierre LeBrun would have reported that. Don't forget Tampa also had a meeting with Tavares about possibly signing with them when everyone knew they also wanted to trade for Karlsson.You realize that San Jose couldn’t offer a contract to Karlsson, right? All they could do was discuss a trade with Ottawa, which we wouldn’t have heard much about until after the trade.
Again, you’re trying to suggest San Jose valued Tavares more. It’s that simple. You’re countering the argument that no one would prefer Tavares to Karlsson by taking two different situations(a trade vs. a contract offer) and acting like it means San Jose valued Tavares more.
What if San Jose just didn’t realize they could get Karlsson without paying a premium? What if they were making an offer to Tavares while also trying to trade for Karlsson? It doesn’t need to be one or the other. Both can occur at the same time, and regardless of the result if San Jose gets one of them it’s a win for them.
There is a thing called trade rumors and prior to July 1st I remember Karlsson's name was talked about in trades to Tampa Bay and Las Vegas. So if San Jose was interested in trading for him at the same time they wanted to sign Tavares I'm sure people like Bob McKenzie and Pierre LeBrun would have reported that. Don't forget Tampa also had a meeting with Tavares about possibly signing with them when everyone knew they also wanted to trade for Karlsson.
Now I'm not outright trying to suggest that San Jose valued Tavares more. All I did was post the evidence of the contract they offered him at that time and don't forget that Doug Wilson posted a thank you message for Tavares just for meeting with them.
I only said that based on the evidence at that time which was their contract offer to Tavares. So had Tavares agreed to sign with them I don't think Doug Wilson would have changed his mind on the chance they could trade for Karlsson.No, actually you outright said that they preferred Tavares to Karlsson.
I only said that based on the evidence at that time which was their contract offer to Tavares. So had Tavares agreed to sign with them I don't think Doug Wilson would have changed his mind on the chance they could trade for Karlsson.
Would you not agree that San Jose at least valued Tavares more than Joe Thornton at the time? Using my logic if Tavares signs with them I don't see Thornton getting re-signed since both play Centre and Tavares is 11 years younger. Plus they only re-signed Thornton the day after Tavares signed in Toronto so he was their second choice.Which is kind of the point. How San Jose valued Karlsson vs. Tavares is something only they can know. Offering a contract to Tavares doesn’t mean they didn’t value Karlsson more highly. It could very well mean they felt Tavares was the more attainable, not the more valuable. Let’s not pretend, as you were, that it’s evidence San Jose valued Tavares more.
Would you not agree that San Jose at least valued Tavares more than Joe Thornton at the time? Using my logic if Tavares signs with them I don't see Thornton getting re-signed since both play Centre and Tavares is 11 years younger. Plus they only re-signed Thornton the day after Tavares signed in Toronto so he was their second choice.
Something else to consider is this. Let's say the Sharks don't win the Cup in 2019 and Karlsson does not sign an 8 year extension, because as of today that has not happened. Won't that make trading for him look like a bad move?