Value of: Tarasenko to the Leafs @ 50%

[Frenzy31]

we do?? in what world in any TDL draft does someone like a tarasenko get a 2nd/b prospect??

Re read what was said. This trade always started with a first. The addition was the 2nd/b prospect.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Toronto has a good team this year. I do not see them being able to make a big move this year. They don’t want to give up firsts and prospects

I think Toronto tries to find some hidden gems that are not working out on other teams

What they would need to give up is not being offered. Hear the same names over and over. No one is excited about those names

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Re read what was said. This trade always started with a first. The addition was the 2nd/b prospect.

sorry... thought you meant a 1st or a 2nd+b prospect. my bad

 

[Frenzy31]

sorry... thought you meant a 1st or a 2nd+b prospect. my bad

No worries.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Considering the Blues are 1 point out of a playoff spot and are 7-3 in their last 10 after starting the year 4 - 7. I'm guessing they are going to at the very least contend for a playoff spot and won't trade Tank.

He could easily be fit in because they have LTIR space and A LOT of it.

also by the time the deadline hits that 3.75 million because he would be coming with retention on the original cap hit would be about 725K because by the deadline about 80% of his cap hit would be paid.

Also double retention is possible and somewhat common, we saw it with Foligno. Savard,the Leafs did it with Lehner when he got traded to Vegas I wouldn't be suprised if Kane and Towes got double retention.

Plus they can always send money back.

There are ways to do it.

 

[Captain97]

He could easily be fit in because they have LTIR space and A LOT of it.

also by the time the deadline hits that 3.75 million because he would be coming with retention on the original cap hit would be about 725K because by the deadline about 80% of his cap hit would be paid.

Also double retention is possible and somewhat common, we saw it with Foligno. Savard,the Leafs did it with Lehner when he got traded to Vegas I wouldn't be suprised if Kane and Towes got double retention.

Plus they can always send money back.

There are ways to do it.

I think you replied to the wrong person

 

[Golden_Jet]

Toronto is carrying extras on the roster. They can fit Tank at 3.75.

Ya but , St Louis has no room on the cap to retain.

 

[AfroThunder396]

NJ offers:

Alexander Holtz
Andreas Johnsson (cap)
Conditional pick 2024
(starts as a 3rd, becomes a 2nd if Tarasenko plays more than 75% of NJ's games OR NJ makes the SCF, becomes a 1st if both conditions are met).

for

Tarasenko (@ 50%)

NJ would have to make another move to be cap compliant (~240k over), probably Boqvist to someone for future considerations.

 

[PocketNines]

Ya but , St Louis has no room on the cap to retain.

what

 

[bleedblue1223]

NJ offers:

Alexander Holtz
Andreas Johnsson (cap)
Conditional pick 2024
(starts as a 3rd, becomes a 2nd if Tarasenko plays more than 75% of NJ's games OR NJ makes the SCF, becomes a 1st if both conditions are met).

for

Tarasenko (@ 50%)

NJ would have to make another move to be cap compliant (~240k over), probably Boqvist to someone for future considerations.

Would probably be tough to be if we are looking for a near ready player/prospect.

 

[CDN24]

He could easily be fit in because they have LTIR space and A LOT of it.

also by the time the deadline hits that 3.75 million because he would be coming with retention on the original cap hit would be about 725K because by the deadline about 80% of his cap hit would be paid.

Also double retention is possible and somewhat common, we saw it with Foligno. Savard,the Leafs did it with Lehner when he got traded to Vegas I wouldn't be suprised if Kane and Towes got double retention.

Plus they can always send money back.

There are ways to do it.

Not so easy even at 3.75- they would have to move salary out send players down. Toronto has been using LTIR since Murray got injured and will likely stay in LTIR in some form all season so they will not accrue any space, To fit him in at 3.75M they will need 3.75M unused.

Leafs currently have Muzzin and Rielly on LTIR giving them 13.125M of LTIR (7.5M Reilly plus 5.625 Muzzin) space of with 7.1M unused. When Rielly comes back the need 7.5M so not enough right now for him but they will free up the 400K by sending down someone like Mete or Hollwell, giving them about 375K unused LTIR. To fit in 3.75M they would need another 3.4M.

In theory you could send down Benn and Hollwell assuming you sent Mete already that gives 1.5M. You could send Holberg and Robertson (both waiver exempt) to get you another 1.6M but are still a bit short. will have to send down one more non waiver exempt to do it A Malgin or Simmonds maybe

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Not so easy even at 3.75- they would have to move salary out send players down. Toronto has been using LTIR since Murray got injured and will likely stay in LTIR in some form all season so they will not accrue any space, To fit him in at 3.75M they will need 3.75M unused.

Leafs currently have Muzzin and Rielly on LTIR giving them 13.125M of LTIR (7.5M Reilly plus 5.625 Muzzin) space of with 7.1M unused. When Rielly comes back the need 7.5M so not enough right now for him but they will free up the 400K by sending down someone like Mete or Hollwell, giving them about 375K unused LTIR. To fit in 3.75M they would need another 3.4M.

In theory you could send down Benn and Hollwell assuming you sent Mete already that gives 1.5M. You could send Holberg and Robertson (both waiver exempt) to get you another 1.6M but are still a bit short. will have to send down one more non waiver exempt to do it A Malgin or Simmonds maybe

But like I said you get double retention, or send back money. Send players down like you said.

There are always ways to make it work.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Considering the Blues are 1 point out of a playoff spot and are 7-3 in their last 10 after starting the year 4 - 7. I'm guessing they are going to at the very least contend for a playoff spot and won't trade Tank.

Unfortunately you’re probably right. This team is two completely different teams though with a very shaky defense.

It would really benefit the Blues to move out a guy like Tarasenko which is most realistic or a defensemen and enter a sort or a retool. There are still really good pieces, but we aren’t the team that has 90% of the team over performing like last season. Most are instead coming back to norms or underperforming. Chances of anything more than a first round bounce if we make it there are extremely low with how Jekyll and Hyde this defense is.

 

[AvroArrow]

I would prefer to go all in on Kane for a few reasons

1) Playmaker, we have Marner on 1 line, having a guy like Kane with Matthews/Tavares would be incredible. Both centers are shoot 1st players that excel when paired with an elite playmaker like Marner. Now having 2 pairs like that would be an absolute nightmare for opposing teams

2) He was tons of playoff experience, future HOFer, still an elite player and obviously he knows what it takes to lead his team to a cup

3) With retention we can actually afford him and we have the assets available to acquire him. I imagine Chicago asks for 1st + Knies, I would try and counter with 1st + Robertson + conditional 1st (if the leafs go far enough, say ECF it becomes a 1st, if not a 2nd)

Tarasenko is a great player but he's more of a goal scorer, in that department we have Matthews/Tavares/Nylander.

 

[PocketNines]

Tarasenko doesn't get enough credit for his playmaking. He had a career year last season coming off injury and while he also led the team in goals (and points) his playmaking was driving his production and he only finished behind Thomas who you'd expect to be #1 in assists.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Ya but , St Louis has no room on the cap to retain.

Retention isn't the only option. A contract like kerfoots could go back the other way to balance cap.

 

[Beauterham]

Retention isn't the only option. A contract like kerfoots could go back the other way to balance cap.

With a potential Tarasenko-trade, we can easily retain 50% as long as we don't have to take on an extra contract with more than 3.75 million towards the cap. Not sure why @Golden_Jet thinks we can't.

If St.Louis wants to maximise the return, Tarasenko @50% + Kerfoots contract for futures/young roster player(s) is definitely a posibility IF we decide to do a retool.

ps. The Leafs also already have 50 contracts, so at least one contract HAS to go back in a trade.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

With a potential Tarasenko-trade, we can easily retain 50% as long as we don't have to take on an extra contract with more than 3.75 million towards the cap. Not sure why @Golden_Jet thinks we can't.

If St.Louis wants to maximise the return, Tarasenko @50% + Kerfoots contract for futures/young roster player(s) is definitely a posibility IF we decide to do a retool.

Thanks for the insight. Leafs would just need the retention because Muzzins 5.6 is also availible. I just can't decide if I'd rather have Tank or ROR if both become availible.

 

[Beauterham]

Thanks for the insight. Leafs would just need the retention because Muzzins 5.6 is also availible. I just can't decide if I'd rather have Tank or ROR if both become availible.

Well, Tank@50% + O'Reilly @50% + taking on the Kerfoot and Engvall contract and you're just 1.75 million short. I'd bet a team like Arizona probably wouldn't mind absorbing that last part. It is going to cost you a LOT though.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Well, Tank@50% + O'Reilly @50% + taking on the Kerfoot and Engvall contract and you're just 1.75 million short. I'd bet a team like Arizona probably wouldn't mind absorbing that last part. It is going to cost you a LOT though.

I don't even know if we would have the assets for both and we couldn't extend both long term either. I think it has to be one or the other unfortunately because idd love to add both. I don't think either will be availible though, the blues are just to good to miss the playoffs.

 

[BlueBaron]

You are incorrect, Muzzin is done in the NHL they have his 5.6 of LTIR to work with.



Both are valuable pieces to the Leafs despite being in a lot of offers on here. Two of our better penalty killers and Kerfoot is one of the players who is on the 4th line one game and 1st line the next because he patches holes as needed.

Not saying they have value to the Blues but not sure the Leafs throw them away either unless Army wanted them as an asset



The results without Muzzin and the steps forward Sandin and Lilly have taken this season I think we can get away without getting a top flight dman (and there likely isn't one clearly better than our top 4 out there). I think defense is what we go into round 1 with.

I'm afraid we'll have to disagree. Rielly and Brodie are certainly top 4s while Gio can be used in that role in short burst but is ideally on the bottom pair. The others probably aren't top 4 on a serious team. Maybe Liljegren but that's it.

This is not to say we couldn't use a forward. I simply think we need to see what the dman is going to cost first..

 

[HockeyVirus]

I'm afraid we'll have to disagree. Rielly and Brodie are certainly top 4s while Gio can be used in that role in short burst but is ideally on the bottom pair. The others probably aren't top 4 on a serious team. Maybe Liljegren but that's it.

This is not to say we couldn't use a forward. I simply think we need to see what the dman is going to cost first..

Sorry I can't agree with you. Gio is not a bottom pairing dman... He is playing as our #1 currently and we haven't missed a beat. He is a 2nd pairing dman and was all last year as well. I don't think Gavrikov (probably the best available rental dman) is any sort of upgrade on any of our starting top 4 dmen. So then you are looking at paying a 1st + to upgrade the bottom pair of a top 5 defensive team who has struggled to score when it counts.

 

[BlueBaron]

Sorry I can't agree with you. Gio is not a bottom pairing dman... He is playing as our #1 currently and we haven't missed a beat. He is a 2nd pairing dman and was all last year as well. I don't think Gavrikov (probably the best available rental dman) is any sort of upgrade on any of our starting top 4 dmen. So then you are looking at paying a 1st + to upgrade the bottom pair of a top 5 defensive team who has struggled to score when it counts.

He's old. It's more than a little to ask. I like 7our optimism.

 

[brokenwolf88]

Toronto has a good team this year. I do not see them being able to make a big move this year. They don’t want to give up firsts and prospects

I think Toronto tries to find some hidden gems that are not working out on other teams

What they would need to give up is not being offered. Hear the same names over and over. No one is excited about those names

Leafs are going to be buyers this spring. Dubas isn't signed beyond this year and Matthews can be resigned July 1. Leafs have to make these runs count.

 

[Djp]

Leafs are going to be buyers this spring. Dubas isn't signed beyond this year and Matthews can be resigned July 1. Leafs have to make these runs count.

Especially before matthews refuses to sign and runs…