GDT: TankTown Express: Ride The Lightning.

[Moose and Squirrel]

Two more saves that Binnington should have had. I hope Hofer turns into something good and we can make Binny an extremely high paid backup.

I only saw the one goal (off the shoulder) that I thought he should have stopped. the other 3 were scored from what.. 5 feet or less, in front/behind him??
I get it, it's trendy to bash him right now but, yeesh

and as far as Faulk goes.. either he's in a bad rut, or he's being ground down with the extra ice time.. not sure what's up for him

 

[Xerloris]

Two more saves that Binnington should have had. I hope Hofer turns into something good and we can make Binny an extremely high paid backup.

So you're either talking about one of the backdoor tap in goals or the one timer from the slot on an wide open guy. Ya, he totally should have had those. In fact why even have defense since you apparently think defense has nothing to do with goal tending and it's all on the shoulders of the goalie. He should be able to do this all on his own and we can send out 5 forwards at a time with no defensive scheme at all. Do you even read the shit you post or do you just think it and then spew it out onto us?

 

[TruBlu]

So you're either talking about one of the backdoor tap in goals or the one timer from the slot on an wide open guy. Ya, he totally should have had those. In fact why even have defense since you apparently think defense has nothing to do with goal tending and it's all on the shoulders of the goalie. He should be able to do this all on his own and we can send out 5 forwards at a time with no defensive scheme at all. Do you even read the shit you post or do you just think it and then spew it out onto us?

It's my reckless optimism, I suppose. Why is our back up goalie ouplaying him behind the same defense? No one disagrees that our defense is the poorest we've had in a while, but blindly blaming them for a starting goalies consistent sub .900 games when the backup is outplaying him is willful blindness. If Jake Allen were in goal right now there'd be a different narrative. Binny was given a contract to perform and, as far as I can tell, he's making double what he should. The worst part about it is the length of the contract.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

It's my reckless optimism, I suppose. Why is our back up goalie ouplaying him behind the same defense? No one disagrees that our defense is the poorest we've had in a while, but blindly blaming them for a starting goalies consistent sub .900 games when the backup is outplaying him is willful blindness. If Jake Allen were in goal right now there'd be a different narrative. Binny was given a contract to perform and, as far as I can tell, he's making double what he should. The worst part about it is the length of the contract.

Honestly I don't think Griess is outplaying Binner, especially as much as the Save% leads you to believe. Looking at everything except Save% they are very similar, even the goals they are giving up are similar. Binner is much better at controlling rebounds or just not giving them up at all, while Griess constantly gives up rebounds that turn into 2-3 shots against. Most of the goals both goalies are giving up are bad passes to open opposing players in the slot or back door tip ins.

Both goalies need to be much better, but the defense needs to be get their heads out of their asses as well.

I also think Hofer ends up better than Binnington as early as the year after next. So pushing Binner to Backup or even a Tandem of Hofer-Binner should be perfectly fine if we fix our ass defensive scheme.

 

[TruBlu]

Honestly I don't think Griess is outplaying Binner, especially as much as the Save% leads you to believe. Looking at everything except Save% they are very similar, even the goals they are giving up are similar. Binner is much better at controlling rebounds or just not giving them up at all, while Griess constantly gives up rebounds that turn into 2-3 shots against. Most of the goals both goalies are giving up are bad passes to open opposing players in the slot or back door tip ins.

Both goalies need to be much better, but the defense needs to be get their heads out of their asses as well.

I also think Hofer ends up better than Binnington as early as the year after next. So pushing Binner to Backup or even a Tandem of Hofer-Binner should be perfectly fine if we fix our ass defensive scheme.

I'm certainly not advocating for Greiss as the guy in goal going forward. Let's assume you're spot on in your assessment. A backup goalie making 1.2 mil is doing just as good as the guy making 6 mil and locked in for several more years. This isn't a short term cherry picked span of time. He's been in decline for 3 years. He shares a good deal of the blame and I think a dual goalie system would probably help. We can't get rid of that contract without giving up other assets or retaining salary. Our best bet is Hofer takes the reigns and his entry level contract offsets what we're paying Binny. Until his contract is off the books or renegotiated.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I'm certainly not advocating for Greiss as the guy in goal going forward. Let's assume you're spot on in your assessment. A backup goalie making 1.2 mil is doing just as good as the guy making 6 mil and locked in for several more years. This isn't a short term cherry picked span of time. He's been in decline for 3 years. He shares a good deal of the blame and I think a dual goalie system would probably help. We can't get rid of that contract without giving up other assets or retaining salary. Our best bet is Hofer takes the reigns and his entry level contract offsets what we're paying Binny. Until his contract is off the books or renegotiated.

That's fair. My whole thing is I want to see the defense and the goalies play better. Especially better against the stupid ass back door tap in goals.

 

[Xerloris]

It's my reckless optimism, I suppose. Why is our back up goalie ouplaying him behind the same defense? No one disagrees that our defense is the poorest we've had in a while, but blindly blaming them for a starting goalies consistent sub .900 games when the backup is outplaying him is willful blindness. If Jake Allen were in goal right now there'd be a different narrative. Binny was given a contract to perform and, as far as I can tell, he's making double what he should. The worst part about it is the length of the contract.

Allen played like this while we had top tier defense. Imagine what he would do now with a bottom tier if not even lower defense? Binnington has been ridden hard playing over 30 games already which means while we were going through the absolute worst of the season so far, he was playing nearly every single game. There was no cherry picking for him. What happens to his stats if we remove the 8 game losing streak? I really don't know because that's something for Brian to figure out.

IMO he needs to ply about 25% less games and we would see a significant improvement in his performance. I hope Hofer is good enough that the team trusts him to play more than nothing but back2backs because playing every f***ing game is ruining Binnington.

 

[TruBlu]

Allen played like this while we had top tier defense. Imagine what he would do now with a bottom tier if not even lower defense? Binnington has been ridden hard playing over 30 games already which means while we were going through the absolute worst of the season so far, he was playing nearly every single game. There was no cherry picking for him. What happens to his stats if we remove the 8 game losing streak? I really don't know because that's something for Brian to figure out.

IMO he needs to ply about 25% less games and we would see a significant improvement in his performance. I hope Hofer is good enough that the team trusts him to play more than nothing but back2backs because playing every f***ing game is ruining Binnington.

Allen's worst year as a starter was under the exact same circumstances. He led the league in starts and it extended much further into the season. Allen thrived in a situation where he had to be kept honest. Binny reminds me a lot of Moose. He needs the shots to come from the outside and is more dependent on a zone defense. He never should have gotten the contract he did. I don't completely blame DA, since there weren't exactly a ton of options at the time, but this contract kept us from keeping a younger, better, and cheaper goalie. Even if we didn't keep Husso, Perron's contract would have been doable.

 

[BlueSeal]

Allen's worst year as a starter was under the exact same circumstances. He led the league in starts and it extended much further into the season. Allen thrived in a situation where he had to be kept honest. Binny reminds me a lot of Moose. He needs the shots to come from the outside and is more dependent on a zone defense. He never should have gotten the contract he did. I don't completely blame DA, since there weren't exactly a ton of options at the time, but this contract kept us from keeping a younger, better, and cheaper goalie. Even if we didn't keep Husso, Perron's contract would have been doable.

Binny helped win us a Cup. That’s all I care about and until another netminder does that for us (and we’ve had a laundry list of legends play for the Note), there’s no one better.

It’s funny people keep calling out Binny but won’t talk about improving the blueline or installing things like zone d that would elevate Binny. Our D is so bad that it would crush a younger, cheaper or ‘better’ netminder and we’d end up with threads on why did we sign them, what a poor choice it was and we’re paying them too much. At the end of that, folks would want Binny back, it’d be that kind of psychosis.

Speaking of which, name ONE netminder who could come in right now, under these conditions and greatly improve the outcome on a team who can’t get rolling past 15-30 minutes a game and whom make regular mental mistakes. I’ll help you with this: there isn’t.

But yeah, it’s the goalie. Always the goalie lol.

 

[TruBlu]

Binny helped win us a Cup. That’s all I care about and until another netminder does that for us (and we’ve had a laundry list of legends play for the Note), there’s no one better.

It’s funny people keep calling out Binny but won’t talk about improving the blueline or installing things like zone d that would elevate Binny. Our D is so bad that it would crush a younger, cheaper or ‘better’ netminder and we’d end up with threads on why did we sign them, what a poor choice it was and we’re paying them too much. At the end of that, folks would want Binny back, it’d be that kind of psychosis.

Speaking of which, name ONE netminder who could come in right now, under these conditions and greatly improve the outcome on a team who can’t get rolling past 15-30 minutes a game and whom make regular mental mistakes. I’ll help you with this: there isn’t.

But yeah, it’s the goalie. Always the goalie lol.

I guess we should have extended Maroon. He was a part of that cup team. It's been a while since I've seen a goaltender so adamantly defended. I'm all for starting with the defense and getting some skaters who are more inclined to play a 2 way game. I suspect the reason we're at this point is because of the very first sentence of your post. Decisions made out of emotion are exactly the type of thing that closes cup windows.

 

[BlueSeal]

I guess we should have extended Maroon. He was a part of that cup team. It's been a while since I've seen a goaltender so adamantly defended. I'm all for starting with the defense and getting some skaters who are more inclined to play a 2 way game. I suspect the reason we're at this point is because of the very first sentence of your post. Decisions made out of emotion are exactly the type of thing that closes cup windows.

Emotions didn’t win 2 games against the Avs last year, he did, something Husso couldn’t. His name is etched on the Cup for good reasons. Not giving him the tools he needs is setting him or any goalie up for failure and THEN we criticize him for not playing Godlike every minute of every game while the team decides when they feel ready to? Come on now.

Comparing him to Maroon is an insult by downplaying Binnys skills amidst the teams pretty pathetic blueline and really funny since Maroon has 3 consecutive rings to our one, which he helped bring to the STL too, so maybe Maroon is a bigger morale motivator in the locker room than one would think. The Bolts seem to think so and so far they’ve been right.

Look don’t be silly, fix the damn blue line first. If Binny struggles it’s him but you’re asking him or ANY goalie to have to pay attention to the opposition and his own team who screens and make constant mistakes around him. The goalie you’re looking for sounds like they might need to be psychic lol.

I wouldn’t be concerned about goaltending as much as what we have on D. That’s a larger issue and why we’re having a lot of the problems we’re having.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I still think coaching is huge problem. Monty took all the brains in the room to Boston.

 

[BlueSeal]

I still think coaching is huge problem. Monty took all the brains in the room to Boston.

I agree. The team plays like it has no direction or focus. The pairings are doing us no favors either but at least there’s be a system to it and that usually helps things abit.

 

[Sgt Schultz]

So you're either talking about one of the backdoor tap in goals or the one timer from the slot on an wide open guy. Ya, he totally should have had those. In fact why even have defense since you apparently think defense has nothing to do with goal tending and it's all on the shoulders of the goalie. He should be able to do this all on his own and we can send out 5 forwards at a time with no defensive scheme at all. Do you even read the shit you post or do you just think it and then spew it out onto us?

I can't tell you how tired I am of seeing those situations. Last night, on the fourth goal there were two forwards open at opposite ends of the crease. Our D doesn't keep opponents from getting in those situations, or open in the slot, and then once they are in those positions, they don't prevent the passes to them. Ken Dryden couldn't have survived that.

It seems to happen three games out of every four.

We knew what Binner's vulnerabilities were when we signed his latest contract. To counteract that, we built a defense that doesn't address those and creates situations no goalie can do much about.

 

[Cotton McKnight]

That game was brutal. The Lighting did an excellent job of keeping good shots from being generated, and Vasi looked like a wall after the first two that went in. On the other hand, our D was ready to join the rush and leave the puck behind as if they were getting paid to play ball hockey. Goal 3 against Binny, his fault right off his glove and in.

The goal for next year, fix the f***ing D!