Proposal: Tampa-Detroit

[JTBF81]

Saw the basis for this idea floated by a couple posters in another thread. If Tampa was looking at moving Sergachev, and Detroit had interest, would something around Serg for Hronek+Zadina be possible? Perhaps:

TBL
Hronek(1 mil retained)
Zadina

Detroit
Sergachev
'23 cond. 3rd(becomes a '24 2nd if Tampa makes the SCF in '22 or '23

Thanks for any constructive comments!

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[DingDongCharlie]

Why would you ever seriously entertain this?

 

[LazyT]

That’d be way cool. Maybe I’m biased but I honestly don’t think this is a bad deal for either side really

 

[Djp]

If tampa is trading him it’s for cap reasons….

 

[Mrfenn92]

Tampa says no

 

[dragonballgtz]

Detroit says YES!!!

No take backs

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Eerily similar stats. Not saying they're equal players, or stylistically the same, just interesting.

Hronek, since his rookie yr. 2 season ago, has played w/o any Top4 Dmen & the corpse of Mike Green on lottery team/ cap era historically bad rosters.

Sergachev, since his rookie yr., on a perpetual juggernaut 2x SC champ.


granted Hronek has more TOI...offset by TB's PP & 5on5 attack + roster.


86p/178gp = .483 $4.4m Hronek RFA in '24 offseason.

142p/294gp = .482 $4.8m Serg. is 28lbs heavier, 3" taller & 7mos. younger. RFA in '23 offseason.


I think Yzerman banks on Hronek & Zadina outproducing Serg., certainly will cost more $ next season, but huge risk letting Zadina go.

What's Sergachev gonna demand in salary/term in '23 ? $8m+ ? $7.5+ ? ...at least $6.5-7+

 

[JTBF81]

Eerily similar stats. Not saying they're equal players, or stylistically the same, just interesting.

Hronek, since his rookie yr. 2 season ago, has played w/o any Top4 Dmen & the corpse of Mike Green on lottery team/ cap era historically bad rosters.

Sergachev, since his rookie yr., on a perpetual juggernaut 2x SC champ.


granted Hronek has more TOI...offset by TB's PP & 5on5 attack + roster.


86p/178gp = .483 $4.4m Hronek RFA in '24 offseason.

142p/294gp = .482 $4.8m Serg. is 28lbs heavier, 3" taller & 7mos. younger. RFA in '23 offseason.


I think Yzerman banks on Hronek & Zadina outproducing Serg., certainly will cost more $ next season, but huge risk letting Zadina go.

What's Sergachev gonna demand in salary/term in '23 ? $8m+ ? $7.5+ ? ...at least $6.5-7+

Thanks for the analysis. I think Serg makes 7 max(and not even sure Tampa will be willing to go that high depending on several other factors). No chance he's getting a higher deal than Hedman got though. I'm sure Tampa will, if they feel they need to move him, find a good deal. It is possible but not certain that one of the 3 main rfas may need to be traded next year or earlier if the deal is right.

 

[JTBF81]

That’d be way cool. Maybe I’m biased but I honestly don’t think this is a bad deal for either side really

Yeah I thought it would help shore up Detroit's left side for years to come while giving Tampa a very good RD set with Hronek and Cernak(helping out their weakest position). Zadina helps out before Kuch gets back and then provides good depth in the top 9, while Detroit adds another pick. Perhaps it's a little imbalanced, but I think there could be a basis there with some tweaks if necessary.

 

[Cenzhin]

It favours Tampa for sure but I could see a world where Zadina eventually becomes a 30+30 player in Tampa if he can find some chemistry with Tampa's top players. He will probably not become that in Detroit so I'd definitely pull the trigger.

 

[Ice Mammoth]

Saw the basis for this idea floated by a couple posters in another thread. If Tampa was looking at moving Sergachev, and Detroit had interest, would something around Serg for Hronek+Zadina be possible? Perhaps:

TBL
Hronek(1 mil retained)
Zadina

Detroit
Sergachev
'23 cond. 3rd(becomes a '24 2nd if Tampa makes the SCF in '22 or '23

Thanks for any constructive comments!

I think this exchange is not beneficial to Detroit. The reason for this is the inclusion in the exchange of Zadina.
I wrote earlier in another thread:

“I think these are two different cases.

The Filip Zadina exchange does not make sense right now. The hockey player's trade value is now minimal. Filip plays in the team. Time On Ice - 16:21 (2021-22). Hockey player progress is possible. Then different actions can be considered.

Filip Hronek exchange is possible. The approximate level of the player is known. The trading value is roughly understandable. Purchase of 2C (ELC) is desirable. The NHL has a team with an abundance of these players. This is the Los Angeles Kings. The two GMs can talk about the exchange. Detroit could add to get a player with higher potential”.

The benefits of Tampa are understandable. This club is one of the clear contenders for the Stanley Cup 2022 and 2023. Tampa receives RD with a good salary and the possibility of reasonable progress for three seasons. After that, the player becomes RFA.

Detroit gets good RFA 2023 player. In Detroit, the player will become LD1 for several seasons. The player's next contract will be significantly higher. The main advantage of this exchange for Detroit is the correct development of the Moritz Seider and the closure of the problem area. These are pluses for Detroit.

The disadvantages are the inclusion of Filip Zadina in the exchange. It is not profitable for the club. I have indicated the reasons for this above. The difference between Hronek and Sergachev doesn't justify adding a player. The difference between Hronek (1 mil retained) and Sergachev is even smaller. It is necessary to consider in which teams the players play.

I think a similar exchange might make sense for Detroit if the addition is different.
For example, someone from (@50% ret):
Thomas Greiss, Nick Leddy, Danny Dekeyser, Troy Stecher, Marc Staal, Vladislav Namestnikov, Robby Fabbri.

Possibly two players from this list. This will give Tampa a boost this season. Tampa can connect a third command to the exchange (@50% ret). It is very inexpensive.

I offer an exchange.
Tampa
Hronek (1 mil retained) + any two players from the list above (@50% ret).
Detroit
Sergachev.

It's my opinion.

 

[BStinson]

Thanks for the analysis. I think Serg makes 7 max(and not even sure Tampa will be willing to go that high depending on several other factors). No chance he's getting a higher deal than Hedman got though. I'm sure Tampa will, if they feel they need to move him, find a good deal. It is possible but not certain that one of the 3 main rfas may need to be traded next year or earlier if the deal is right.

Doesn’t Sergachev have a 7.2M QO? Doesn’t necessarily mean he makes over 7M but doesn’t exactly give leverage against the FA market.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

What does this solve for Tampa, other than making a small subset of fans happy who are complaining about him taking penalties?

 

[These Are The Days]

Yeah right... give us that unprotected 1st rounder in '22 or '23 and then we'll talk.

 

[RedWingzz]

Yeah right... give us that unprotected 1st rounder in '22 or '23 and then we'll talk.

 

[raymond23]

You don't want to make that trade

 

[These Are The Days]

What does this solve for Tampa, other than making a small subset of fans happy who are complaining about him taking penalties?

It cements the single greatest heel run in the history of the NHL. Pretend for a second Detroit traded their 1st rounder for Sergachev. Pretend we went on a threepeat. Now pretend we won the Draft Lottery with Detroit's pick. SFY is obviously too smart to let this happen. But salt like that? That's the salt only ever dreamt of by our ancestors in 2020 who witnessed our first COVID Cup

 

[SoupNazi]

Yeah right... give us that unprotected 1st rounder in '22 or '23 and then we'll talk.

Yeah right...

 

[These Are The Days]

For what it's worth I have no credibility as a poster here and have nothing to lose in looking like a moron proposing things that will never happen. I do it for the memes and the idea of how much salt there would be on HF if it came true.

Sometimes a man will use anything to keep him going


Edit: @SoupNazi this response is meant for you too bud

 

[LTIR Trickery]

I think this exchange is not beneficial to Detroit. The reason for this is the inclusion in the exchange of Zadina.
I wrote earlier in another thread:

“I think these are two different cases.

The Filip Zadina exchange does not make sense right now. The hockey player's trade value is now minimal. Filip plays in the team. Time On Ice - 16:21 (2021-22). Hockey player progress is possible. Then different actions can be considered.

Filip Hronek exchange is possible. The approximate level of the player is known. The trading value is roughly understandable. Purchase of 2C (ELC) is desirable. The NHL has a team with an abundance of these players. This is the Los Angeles Kings. The two GMs can talk about the exchange. Detroit could add to get a player with higher potential”.

The benefits of Tampa are understandable. This club is one of the clear contenders for the Stanley Cup 2022 and 2023. Tampa receives RD with a good salary and the possibility of reasonable progress for three seasons. After that, the player becomes RFA.

Detroit gets good RFA 2023 player. In Detroit, the player will become LD1 for several seasons. The player's next contract will be significantly higher. The main advantage of this exchange for Detroit is the correct development of the Moritz Seider and the closure of the problem area. These are pluses for Detroit.

The disadvantages are the inclusion of Filip Zadina in the exchange. It is not profitable for the club. I have indicated the reasons for this above. The difference between Hronek and Sergachev doesn't justify adding a player. The difference between Hronek (1 mil retained) and Sergachev is even smaller. It is necessary to consider in which teams the players play.

I think a similar exchange might make sense for Detroit if the addition is different.
For example, someone from (@50% ret):
Thomas Greiss, Nick Leddy, Danny Dekeyser, Troy Stecher, Marc Staal, Vladislav Namestnikov, Robby Fabbri.

Possibly two players from this list. This will give Tampa a boost this season. Tampa can connect a third command to the exchange (@50% ret). It is very inexpensive.

I offer an exchange.
Tampa
Hronek (1 mil retained) + any two players from the list above (@50% ret).
Detroit
Sergachev.

It's my opinion.

Who the hell would want Marc Staal? Or Dekeyeser? We already got rid of Namestnikov, Leddy is 30 on his last year and is more expensive than Sergachev, and we have one of the best goaltenders in the world already... this is awful.

The difference between Hronek and Sergachev doesn't justify adding a player. The difference between Hronek (1 mil retained) and Sergachev is even smaller. It is necessary to consider in which teams the players play.

Please don't drink in the mornings.

 

[HabsQC]

Sergachev - Seider.... the SS pair



I'll show myself out

 

[LordZapp]

Asking for Raymond if serg is involved

 

[Ice Mammoth]

Who the hell would want Marc Staal? Or Dekeyeser? We already got rid of Namestnikov, Leddy is 30 on his last year and is more expensive than Sergachev, and we have one of the best goaltenders in the world already... this is awful.


Please don't drink in the mornings.

Hronek (1 mil retained) + any two players from the list above (@50% ret).
I think these are the players on my list that Tampa needs the most.

G Thomas Greiss AAV $3,600,000 UFA 2022 = (@50% ret) = AAV $1,800,000
The goal is to replace Andrei Vasilevsky in case of injury.

LD Nick Leddy AAV $5,500,000 UFA 2022 = (@50% ret) = AAV $2,750,000
The goal is that a good experienced player comes to Sergachev's place.

Tampa connects a third team to the exchange (@50% ret). It's very cheap for one season.
Total: $1,800,000 + $2,750,000 = $4,550,000 = (@50% ret) = AAV $2,275,000

It makes sense if you think about it a little.

You wrote – “Please don't drink in the mornings”.
I am used to drinking a cup of coffee in the morning. I will continue to do so.
Thank you for this intellectual philosophical advice.

 

[njx9]

Asking for Raymond if serg is involved

I'm not here to tell you how to value your own guys (and it's not like there aren't players on the Wings I would overvalue similarly), but that seems pretty over the top for a dude you likely can't afford at the end of the season.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

I'm not against trading Sergachev in principle, but this ain't it.