T J Oshie Appreciation Thread

[um]

You win the SC the players on the squad are legendary for the home town fans. And rewatching the playoff run so many unsung heroes.

No doubt

But Oshie was always a playoff beast for us. On a team with a whole lot of playoff disappointments, Oshie always showed up.

 

[kicksavedave]

Wow there are some epic bad takes in there from some regulars lol….

Had to read through it all, what a trip. Loved the guy who really wanted the Caps to ditch Ovi and BT (this was June 2017), who was never heard from again. So many dreadful takes, like "wish we kept Justin Williams instead of this disaster" from our favorite xls master.

Best actual take of the entire thread was from the late, great txpd. Miss that guy still.

Oshie will break and ride out and of his deal on ltir. That is my guess.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Had to read through it all, what a trip. Loved the guy who really wanted the Caps to ditch Ovi and BT (this was June 2017), who was never heard from again. So many dreadful takes, like "wish we kept Justin Williams instead of this disaster" from our favorite xls master.

Best actual take of the entire thread was from the late, great txpd. Miss that guy still.

Saw that! That TXPD guy knew his stuff….definitely missed!

 

[twabby]

So many dreadful takes, like "wish we kept Justin Williams instead of this disaster" from our favorite xls master.

What a buffoon!

2018 obviously makes the Oshie contract worth it. It made the Kuznetsov contract worth it. It made the Orpik contract worth it. It would have made any bad deal worth it. Thems the breaks.

Williams did have two more good years after he left DC, at a far more manageable contract. I don't think preferring Williams was a crazy take. Who had DC winning in 2018? They were a longshot. Oshie's contract, along with others, has hamstrung the team since 2019. Him being in and out of the lineup has impacted their ability to bring in talent and build a roster.

It doesn't matter now because they won in 2018, but I'm comfortable with the analysis that led to the opinion.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Just say…..”I was wrong”…..…..man up.

Justin Williams last 3 seasons:

17-18 16+35=51
18-19 23+30=53
19-20 8+3=11 (done after 20 games)

Oshie:
17-18 18+29=47
18-19 25+29=54
19-20 26+23=49

Williams last two seasons after he left DC he was making 4.5 mil per….So hardly a massive difference. I take Oshie 100/100.

 

[twabby]

Just say…..”I was wrong”…..…..man up.

Justin Williams last 3 seasons:

17-18 16+35=51
18-19 23+30=53
19-20 8+3=11 (done after 20 games)

Oshie:
17-18 18+29=47
18-19 25+29=54
19-20 26+23=49

Williams last two seasons after he left DC he was making 4.5 mil per….So hardly a massive difference. I take Oshie 100/100.

Williams also isn't being paid $5.75M to miss 38, 24, 30, and (presumably) 82 games from 2021-2025. Those were years the Capitals weren't really competitive, yet instead of being able to fit in a more impactful UFA or start letting a young guy get some meaningful time during a period where they really should have started retooling, they had to kind of fit Oshie and his cap hit in.

Like I said, it worked out. I was wrong because without having Oshie in 2018 maybe they don't win a Cup. But that's dangerous logic and relies on hindsight. The same rationale has been used to justify Backstrom's current contract when it was signed, or Wilson's current contract when it was signed. And I don't think either of those is looking too hot right about now.

 

[kicksavedave]

Hindsight is probably my favorite thing there is. I'm really good at it. Predicting shit, not so much.

 

[g00n]

Williams also isn't being paid $5.75M to miss 38, 24, 30, and (presumably) 82 games from 2021-2025. Those were years the Capitals weren't really competitive, yet instead of being able to fit in a more impactful UFA or start letting a young guy get some meaningful time during a period where they really should have started retooling, they had to kind of fit Oshie and his cap hit in.

Like I said, it worked out. I was wrong because without having Oshie in 2018 maybe they don't win a Cup. But that's dangerous logic and relies on hindsight. The same rationale has been used to justify Backstrom's current contract when it was signed, or Wilson's current contract when it was signed. And I don't think either of those is looking too hot right about now.

No hindsight needed. A lot of smart people knew Oshie was worth keeping.

You were wrong about him, Orpik, late-stage Kuzy, and a lot of things.

It's ok. We all do this. Admitting it looks a lot better than sort-of admitting it while trying to rationalize or diminish the alternatives by basically saying "it was good for only one year".

 

[Ridley Simon]

I’m never wrong? Just ask me???

 

[um]

Oshie was worth his deal without 2018.

 

[John Price]

Great deal to trade for him. Quickly became a fan favorite.

Team gave these out last year

1000 games isnt bad at all. respect.

 

[Chokingdogs]

Oshie was worth his deal without 2018.

Yep. Rarely do fans get to watch an Oshie-esque player. I was fine with his contract when it was signed, I’m more than fine with it including 2018, and I would have been fine with it without 2018.

 

[AZ Caps Fan]

Wow there are some epic bad takes in there from some regulars lol….

Thank you for posting every thought. Too bad it's a premature thread or we might be blessed with even more.

 

[Calicaps]

Wow there are some epic bad takes in there from some regulars lol….

Just one post from me in there, happily on the right side of the contract conversation… but the rest of it… wtf was I talking about?

 

[g00n]

Just one post from me in there, happily on the right side of the contract conversation… but the rest of it… wtf was I talking about?

I made a point in there I'd completely forgotten about.

The Oshie 8yr deal was pre-Cup. Ovie's contract was expiring in a few years. If Oshie and Co. hadn't come in and basically rescued the franchise with that Cup win, maybe Ovie walks at the end of the contract he had at that time.

Some people choose to gripe about these long-term contracts for the older LEGEND players as though they're bankrupting the team, just because they can't play armchair GM and bring in shiny new toys. But without some of these deals maybe we're looking at an entirely different franchise story arc, and not in a good way.

 

[DWGie26]

you folks have all been here too long! But I appreciate you!

 

[HTFN]

Williams also isn't being paid $5.75M to miss 38, 24, 30, and (presumably) 82 games from 2021-2025. Those were years the Capitals weren't really competitive, yet instead of being able to fit in a more impactful UFA or start letting a young guy get some meaningful time during a period where they really should have started retooling, they had to kind of fit Oshie and his cap hit in.

Like I said, it worked out. I was wrong because without having Oshie in 2018 maybe they don't win a Cup. But that's dangerous logic and relies on hindsight. The same rationale has been used to justify Backstrom's current contract when it was signed, or Wilson's current contract when it was signed. And I don't think either of those is looking too hot right about now.

full of absolute shit.

you and I both know how LTIR works, so either he's missing toss up games (which is fine because the team has been bloated in fill-in category) or he's absent, which means LTIR money like it will this year.

The same rationale doesn't apply to either contract because of when they were signed, and you know that too.

 

[twabby]

full of absolute shit.

you and I both know how LTIR works, so either he's missing toss up games (which is fine because the team has been bloated in fill-in category) or he's absent, which means LTIR money like it will this year.

The same rationale doesn't apply to either contract because of when they were signed, and you know that too.

This season was the only one where the team had an idea that his LTIR money would be available all year. Prior offseasons they couldn't make any moves with his $5.75M because he was playing that year. I don't think it's a huge coincidence that they went out and spent this offseason when Oshie's and Backstrom's money were available. Might have been nice if they could have done that a few years ago.

Wilson's contract was signed for basically the same reason: maybe get a few good years now knowing that it's going to look really bad toward the end of the contract due to aging/injuries. Backstrom's contract was different, you're right. That was more of a "thank you" and making up for him being underpaid for most of his career. The end result is the same though: a full price deal that has restricted roster flexibility.

Like I said with Oshie it worked out. I was wrong in the result. But if the same situation occurred again I'd still be against the deal. Basically the same reason I was against the Wilson extension.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Some don’t like the “sentimental” deals.

I am ok with them.

Wilson? Is he maybe one of those? Meh, I don’t really think so. His cost has always been “fair to good” for what he brings, and the man is looking to rebound from some bad health breaks.

I think Top Line Tom has a big year. 20-25 goals and 40-50pts. He looks yoked. Big time.

I think he knows it too. I’m excited to him GO.

 

[Praetorian Caps]

Oshie's an all time great. Glad he's a Cap!