Proposal: T.J. Brodie to your team

[BAM]

I think Pacioretty for Brodie would make sense. First, they almost have the same caphit. Second they're both struggling this year and would adress a the other team's need.

I would even add a 2nd rounder to Patches if Flames fans think Brodie is worth more.

#1 D-man >>> First line winger

Taylor Hall brought back Adam Larsson. While IMO the gap between Hall and Pacioretty is small (I prefer Hall) , the gap between Larsson and Brodie is quite significant.

 

[Aceboogie]

#1 D-man >>> First line winger

Taylor Hall brought back Adam Larsson. While IMO the gap between Hall and Pacioretty is small (I prefer Hall) , the gap between Larsson and Brodie is quite significant.

Edmonton also had zero D and were desperate for a move. Montreal (one of top teams in the NHL with good D) isnt really in same spot

 

[SmellOfVictory]

You trade Giordano way before you even think about trading Brodie. You change the coach, and the management team before you even think about trading Brodie.

You pretty much burn the whole place to the ground and pee on the ashes before you trade Brodie.

 

[perronist]

You pretty much burn the whole place to the ground and pee on the ashes before you trade Brodie.

you relocate to seattle before trading brodie

 

[Zilo44]

#1 D-man >>> First line winger

Taylor Hall brought back Adam Larsson. While IMO the gap between Hall and Pacioretty is small (I prefer Hall) , the gap between Larsson and Brodie is quite significant.

Pacioretty's caphit is easier to take then Hall's.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Leafs offer

JVR (addresses your winger concern)
Kapanen (winger for the future, over PT/game in AHL)
Valiev (1 of our big 3 defense prospects)
Both 2nds this year (ANA gets the middle of our 3 2nd round picks)
Marincin (gives you a roster defenseman back)

for

Brodie
Wideman

We'll likely be outbid I imagine.

 

[Legend123]

Pacioretty +?

plz no

 

[Randy Randerson]

Brodie has been a phenomenal defenseman for the flames for the last two seasons, garnering accolades from around the league and even a few norris votes the last couple of seasons. While not particularly physical, TJ has one of the most fluid skating strides in the league, excellent positioning, good stick work, and is one of the best breakout passers in the league. All of this in a defenseman who is only 26 and is signed for the next 3 seasons at only 4 million.

Brodie does not fit our new system. He has lost his mojo with the flames. While some see his recent struggles as indicative of poor coaching (hard to argue in some respects) I think even if we see a coaching change in calgary the same style will be preached (top down, this is a burkie and Treliving built team). Hamilton is a better fit, and I think Gio has been coming around recently (players seem to improve when paired with him, in contrast to brodie this year).

What would your team be willing to give up for a defenceman of Brodie's Caliber? The flames need immediate help on the wings and would require a warm body to slot in on the second pairing to replace Brodie (we would be very weak on d without him)

My thoughts on value:

Duchene for Brodie

Mantha ++ for Brodie

Reinhart for Brodie

Nylander for Brodie, or Marner for Brodie +

Proposals?

From a leafs perspective, Brodie is a nice fit if he is good on the right side, but I think dealing one of the big 3 just opens another hole. Matthews should be the face of the franchise, Marner is our only winger prospect who could steal that honor from Matthews, Nylander we still have high hopes of being able to play Centre in the NHL and even though our forward prospect corps is very deep, it's not that deep with guys who have the potential to be a top 2 centre on a championship caliber team

So I'm wondering, because you mention Mantha, would you be willing to entertain a proposal of Kapanen with some significant pluses? He's a little younger than Mantha (turned 20 over the summer), but there was lots of sentiment that he could have made the big club out of camp if we weren't already so prospect heavy and he's pt/game in the AHL (and looking the part, he's scoring pretty goals and looking very hard to contain with the puck)

Something like: Kapanen+Unprotected 2017 1st+another B prospect of your choosing (Anyone outside of Nielsen, Bracco, Leipsic, Timashov IMO) + a warm body in Marincin/Hunwick/Polak

Not sure if that's in the ballpark or not

 

[DropIt]

From the Jets how does Burmistrov (just to clear him off the roster), any 2 of Armia, Dano, Copp, 1 of Chariot or Postma (just fill the D for Calgary) & a 2nd in 2017 sound?
Lots of moving pieces with the best being the choice of the 2 young forwards & the 2nd.

Sounds absolutely awful, thanks!

 

[Legend123]

#1 D-man >>> First line winger

Taylor Hall brought back Adam Larsson. While IMO the gap between Hall and Pacioretty is small (I prefer Hall) , the gap between Larsson and Brodie is quite significant.

Great, one trade makes every HF poster believe that if Hall got Larsson, a better D equivalent will get Ovy. I hate to burst your bubble but it doesnt work like that. Im pretty sure all 29 GMs (except for Edm) disliked that deal and would never have done it.

 

[Rare Jewel]

As much as i don't want to deal Nylander....this i would consider.

I wouldn't. He's playing wing now, but he'll likely move into middle and having that depth is too important IMO. I also have my doubts that a team that Brian Burke works for will acquire any Nylander.

He is a big fan JVR though.

 

[FlamerForLife]

Brodie's not going anywhere.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

How about something around Tanev and Bennett? That way you can have an amazing young top pairing and we get our young top line player. What would Vancouver have to add??

 

[TOGuy14]

Isn't he having a relatively poor season so far?

As a Leafs fan I would be more interested if he was a RHD

 

[Zilo44]

Isn't he having a relatively poor season so far?

As a Leafs fan I would be more interested if he was a RHD

Isn't he?

 

[Randy Randerson]

Isn't he?

No, LHD, people are saying he's better from the right side though

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

Leafs offer

JVR (addresses your winger concern)
Kapanen (winger for the future, over PT/game in AHL)
Valiev (1 of our big 3 defense prospects)
Both 2nds this year (ANA gets the middle of our 3 2nd round picks)
Marincin (gives you a roster defenseman back)

for

Brodie
Wideman

We'll likely be outbid I imagine.

Not even close for me, if the Flames are trading Brodie they're rebuilding again so a JVR package is of zero interest.

The package would have to include at least one of your main young players like Marner and a first round pick.

But the package your offering wouldn't even get you past Treliving's personal assistant.

 

[BAM]

Great, one trade makes every HF poster believe that if Hall got Larsson, a better D equivalent will get Ovy. I hate to burst your bubble but it doesnt work like that. Im pretty sure all 29 GMs (except for Edm) disliked that deal and would never have done it.

Doesn't change the fact that #1 D-men hold more value than a top line winger...which you conveniently chose not to address.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Not even close for me, if the Flames are trading Brodie they're rebuilding again so a JVR package is of zero interest.

The package would have to include at least one of your main young players like Marner and a first round pick.

But the package your offering wouldn't even get you past Treliving's personal assistant.

Yeah...no.

And if you're rebuilding yet again...my god.

 

[BAM]

Not even close for me, if the Flames are trading Brodie they're rebuilding again so a JVR package is of zero interest.

The package would have to include at least one of your main young players like Marner and a first round pick.

But the package your offering wouldn't even get you past Treliving's personal assistant.

Nothing on the flames roster has that kind of value

 

[FlamerForLife]

Yeah...no.

And if you're rebuilding yet again...my god.

No one's rebuilding again, because Brodie's not going anywhere

 

[WTFMAN99]

No one's rebuilding again, because Brodie's not going anywhere

Premise of the thread is he's available.

 

[Legend123]

Nothing on the flames roster has that kind of value

Gaudreau easily has more value than that.

 

[DJJones]

Gaudreau easily has more value than that.

2015 Brodie was worth more than Gaudreau.

Both have had a slow start this year though.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Gaudreau easily has more value than that.

This has been specifically debated in a few places in the offseason, this thread being one of them: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2084255&page=14

It boiled down to: both sides reluctantly agreed that Marner+Leafs 2017 1st was worth about Gaudreau in a vaccuum, neither side wanted to do it.

Since then stock values have changed:

Marner - way up, making a very successful transition to the NHL
Gaudreau - was a little down to start the season, looks like he's figuring it out
Leafs 1st - probably down a little, likely not a high chance that it's a top 3 pick but still probably top 10

At this point, I think the value favours Marner+2017 1st because Marner's transition eliminates a lot of the risk associated with him (or prospects in general)