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RussianGuyovich said:
Yes? That’s what I’m saying? Howard playing then season has nothing to do with the expansion. He’s not going to be ineligible. Unless he sucks. And then we won’t have to worry about them taking him.
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Having to expose a few players with NHL experience isn't the same as to who the team has to account for protecting.

In a hypothetical, the Lightning can protect 7 forwards. Kuch, Hagel, Point, Guentzel, Cirelli, and Paul would likely be six locks.

It comes down to deciding the 7th spot. Yanni, Bjorkstrand, Chaffee, and in this timeline, Isaac Howard because he played 11 games two years ago, instead of 9.


If an expansion draft were to happen this off-season, IRL, the SJ Sharks would have to decide if they wanted to protect Shakir Mukhamadullin or not because he played 12 regular season AHL games in 22-23. If they had kept it to 9, he'd be exempt, and they wouldn't even have to decide.
 
Felonious Python said:
Having to expose a few players with NHL experience isn't the same as to who the team has to account for protecting.

In a hypothetical, the Lightning can protect 7 forwards. Kuch, Hagel, Point, Guentzel, Cirelli, and Paul would likely be six locks.

It comes down to deciding the 7th spot. Yanni, Bjorkstrand, Chaffee, and in this timeline, Isaac Howard because he played 11 games two years ago, instead of 9.
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i cannot parse what you're saying, honestly. are you saying that we shouldn't give howard more games this season to protect him from the expansion draft next off-season? even the ones on the "he's not going to be that great" spectrum of howard fan-dome are expecting him to start in the NHL next season. and if it's next off season, he will most likely have played the minimum games (~54) regardless of whether he plays this season or not. this season literally does not matter. and if, let's say, we do have a situation where he plays 10 games this season, and he gets to the 43rd game of the season next year (and that happens to be the expansion draft rule of 54 games), you can evaluate whether to send him down to the ahl to protect him then. when you have, you know, real experience and data on what type of player he will be/could be.

for an elc, playoff games count towards the year burn, but they don't count for expansion drafts (well, they didn't last time, i don't think). inshallah we get more than 4 games in the playoffs this year.


Felonious Python said:
If an expansion draft were to happen this off-season, IRL, the SJ Sharks would have to decide if they wanted to protect Shakir Mukhamadullin or not because he played 12 regular season AHL games in 22-23. If they had kept it to 9, he'd be exempt, and they wouldn't even have to decide.
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i do not think this is correct. again, per the rules for the seattle expansion, no first or second year players were eligible. also, you have to have played the minimum NHL games.

EDIT nevermind i forgot he was a devils draft pick
 
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RussianGuyovich said:
i cannot parse what you're saying, honestly. are you saying that we shouldn't give howard more games this season to protect him from the expansion draft next off-season? even the ones on the "he's not going to be that great" spectrum of howard fan-dome are expecting him to start in the NHL next season. and if it's next off season, he will most likely have played the minimum games (~54) regardless of whether he plays this season or not. this season literally does not matter. and if, let's say, we do have a situation where he plays 10 games this season, and he gets to the 43rd game of the season next year (and that happens to be the expansion draft rule of 54 games), you can evaluate whether to send him down to the ahl to protect him then. when you have, you know, real experience and data on what type of player he will be/could be.

for an elc, playoff games count towards the year burn, but they don't count for expansion drafts (well, they didn't last time, i don't think). inshallah we get more than 4 games in the playoffs this year.




i do not think this is correct. again, per the rules for the seattle expansion, no first or second year players were eligible. also, you have to have played the minimum NHL games.

EDIT nevermind i forgot he was a devils draft pick
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ELC contract burn is a separate, unrelated issue.

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Seattle Expansion Draft Series - Article 1: The Rules

It’s that time! You know what time I mean. Time to read all about the Seattle Expansion Draft! Now, you may say that it’s a long way off. And you’d be right. But, at least a few times a week…
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In order for a player to be eligible for Seattle to select them, they must have played more than 2 professional seasons by the end of the 2020-21 season. To use a Detroit example, Filip Zadina is exempt and Detroit does not have to use a protection slot on him, regardless of how many games he plays this season. In his case, this season will count as his second professional season because he only played 9 games in the NHL two seasons ago.

The short version is that for the purposes of the expansion draft, a professional season is defined as 10 or more NHL games for players who are 18 or 19 years old or 10 or more NHL games, AHL, or European professional league games for a player who turns 20 before December 31 the year the season begins. The players also have to be signed to an NHL contract, so if a player played 5 seasons in the KHL before signing an NHL contract, those five seasons wouldn’t count for this requirement.
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Felonious Python said:
ELC contract burn is a separate, unrelated issue.

www.wingingitinmotown.com

Seattle Expansion Draft Series - Article 1: The Rules

It’s that time! You know what time I mean. Time to read all about the Seattle Expansion Draft! Now, you may say that it’s a long way off. And you’d be right. But, at least a few times a week…
www.wingingitinmotown.com www.wingingitinmotown.com
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Ok, but michigan state would have to be out, and he would have to sign and play in the 2:00PM game this saturday to burn 10 regular season games this season, i just don't see that happening.
 
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2024 Development camp invite Luke Haymes signs with Toronto. He was an invite at Toronto’s camp a year before us in 2023.

 
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Daily Faceoff might have just sourced the prospect lists from EP, but they have Eamon Powell still as a Lightning prospect.

Is he? I'm leaning towards no.

I mean, there are 300 members of the PHWA, and Frank Seravalli is the president of the organization, and one of the main guys at DailyFaceoff.com, but no one will just say what the deal is.
 
Felonious Python said:

Daily Faceoff might have just sourced the prospect lists from EP, but they have Eamon Powell still as a Lightning prospect.

Is he? I'm leaning towards no.

I mean, there are 300 members of the PHWA, and Frank Seravalli is the president of the organization, and one of the main guys at DailyFaceoff.com, but no one will just say what the deal is.
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They still have his rights. Rights got extended a year because Powell had the COVID year to use which he did. I bet he doesn't sign in Tampa though, runs out the clock to UFA
 
Hockeyville USA said:
They still have his rights. Rights got extended a year because Powell had the COVID year to use which he did. I bet he doesn't sign in Tampa though, runs out the clock to UFA
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I haven't seen any source actually say that, and sites like PuckPedia (which has more of an inside connection with the NHL), doesn't list guys like Powell as having his league rights held by TB.

Elite Prospects still has them with their teams, but I don't think they saw anything either.
 
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I haven't seen any source actually say that, and sites like PuckPedia (which has more of an inside connection with the NHL), doesn't list guys like Powell as having his league rights held by TB.

Elite Prospects still has them with their teams, but I don't think they saw anything either.
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I'm not confident enough to say this with absolute certainty but with everything that covers NCAA prospects draft rights in the CBA I don't believe there is any situation covered where a player is still in his NCAA program and their rights expire.
 
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I'm not confident enough to say this with absolute certainty but with everything that covers NCAA prospects draft rights in the CBA I don't believe there is any situation covered where a player is still in his NCAA program and their rights expire.
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There's a ton not covered by the CBA, and this situation came from the NCAA adding a fifth year of eligibility due to COVID. It wasn't addressed by the MOU (at least the one on the NHLPA website).

In spirit, they should have extended the rights an extra year, as the wording is about the end of their NCAA eligibility, but there isn't agreement online.

Somehow, there are hundreds of interested parties, but it never conclusively hit the internet.

Much more recently, the NHL GMs were looking for clarity during their GMs meetings as to how the interpretation of rights work since the NCAA/CHL barriers have broken down. The impression I got from the media is that the CHL guys wouldn't (currently) get the length of their rights extended if they hop to the NCAA. That's a separate case, but it does show that they're willing to interpret the rules in a way where rights can expire while they're still in school.
 

Have we been sleeping on Kurth? Former 2022 6th round pick. 39gp-17g-21a-38p. He's a junior so a decision will have to be made most likely after his season is over. What's his ceiling? He also shoots right. 👀
 
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Have we been sleeping on Kurth? Former 2022 6th round pick. 39gp-17g-21a-38p. He's a junior so a decision will have to be made most likely after his season is over. What's his ceiling? He also shoots right. 👀
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Bae's caught us slipping on several guys. Kaiden Pitre is another.

Kurth doesn't really have the numbers that would indicate he's ready for the NHL right now. Developmentally, he'd be fine staying with Minnesota, but if he wanted to go to the AHL, I'd sign him.

NHLe calculator:
20 pts in full NHL season
33 pts in full AHL season

Around Huuhtanen numbers.
 
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Stormbreaker said:

Have we been sleeping on Kurth? Former 2022 6th round pick. 39gp-17g-21a-38p. He's a junior so a decision will have to be made most likely after his season is over. What's his ceiling? He also shoots right. 👀
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He plays like Bryan Rust did at Notre Dame, but obviously not gonna hit the ceiling that Rust has in the NHL with the Penguins. Gritty, not great skating, finish around the net, sneaky skill.
 
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I don't know if Powell is still our guy, but he's playing today. All games on ESPN+.
  • Manchester Regional: Bentley vs. Boston College (Eamon Powell) | 2:00 PM ET (ESPNU)
  • Allentown Regional: Quinnipiac vs. UConn | 5:00 PM ET (ESPNU)
  • Manchester Regional: Denver (Hagen Burrows) vs. Providence | 5:30 PM ET (ESPN+)
  • Allentown Regional: Penn State vs. Maine | 8:30 PM ET (ESPN2)
 
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