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[Aussie Bruin]

If he plays at a much higher level away from the Bruins, how is it not?

Yes, he was playing on a much better team. He was also competing against a much better team, so that's a wash. What we're left with is Charlie McAvoy finally looked like the player I expected him to be only when he put on a different jersey.

I think the problem here is you can't really fairly compare 2-game McAvoy with 80+ McAvoy. Short tourny he can go balls to the wall, over the course of a full season he cannot. Injuries have clearly taken their toll on him and in that sense I think it's already indisputable that he'll never be the player he could have been with some better luck. And it means his ability to go all-in like we saw against Canada especially is limited.

So I think the only vaguely useful comparison point is playoffs. And there his record is decidedly mixed. 2021 in particular he was awesome, but there's been some diminishing returns since then. It's really hard to know how much that's on the Bruins' coaches though. Maybe there's something there. But his 4 Nations participation was simply too short to tell us anything meaningful on that front.

I think there's no question that it's a concern that Charlie as the Bruins' #1 D-man is already pretty beat up at age 27, especially when Hampus is also injury prone, even if Lindy's ailments have been mostly sheer bad luck. Both stay healthy and I think they'll still be an excellent top pair, but there's risk there for sure. Can't just take it as a given.

 

[Patdud]

If he plays at a much higher level away from the Bruins, how is it not?

Yes, he was playing on a much better team. He was also competing against a much better team, so that's a wash. What we're left with is Charlie McAvoy finally looked like the player I expected him to be only when he put on a different jersey.

He had something meaningful to play for, perhaps being away from the 900 lb gorilla of responsibility being the no1 d in Boston helped. who knows, he tries to do to much when he's playing instead of focusing on his strengths. perhaps the room was really toxic last year and this w/o Bergeron. who knows, last years bruins probably would have been this bad if it wasn't for Ullmark/Swayman.

 

[Bruin4]

Murphy just confirmed its official, nothing going on, no changes coming!

 

[KillerMillerTime]

McAvoy's shoulder was injured by a cheapshot crosscheck into the goal post by Armia, no?

Probably but good chance he aggravated that with his hits on McDavid and the Armia play still happened in the 4Nations, so what I said is still applicable.

 

[EverettMike]

Too many people to respond to, but I am not only talking about McAvoy this season and I am also factoring in his play during the post-season.

 

[Eddie Munson]

Murphy just confirmed its official, nothing going on, no changes coming!

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I think the problem here is you can't really fairly compare 2-game McAvoy with 80+ McAvoy. Short tourny he can go balls to the wall, over the course of a full season he cannot. Injuries have clearly taken their toll on him and in that sense I think it's already indisputable that he'll never be the player he could have been with some better luck. And it means his ability to go all-in like we saw against Canada especially is limited.

So I think the only vaguely useful comparison point is playoffs. And there his record is decidedly mixed. 2021 in particular he was awesome, but there's been some diminishing returns since then. It's really hard to know how much that's on the Bruins' coaches though. Maybe there's something there. But his 4 Nations participation was simply too short to tell us anything meaningful on that front.

I think there's no question that it's a concern that Charlie as the Bruins' #1 D-man is already pretty beat up at age 27, especially when Hampus is also injury prone, even if Lindy's ailments have been mostly sheer bad luck. Both stay healthy and I think they'll still be an excellent top pair, but there's risk there for sure. Can't just take it as a given.

Even his play at 4Nations that's been referenced is revolving around only one game against Canada, which resulted in him being shutdown for the year. I don't know how anyone can ignore what I referenced about McAvoy head, heart and shoulder issues taking a toll on him. Its possible with close to an 8 month break he comes back to start the year ready to play at a level bot seen since 2021-22, but I'm not counting on it.

I would look at suckering the NYR or NYI into a trade for him though.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

He had something meaningful to play for, perhaps being away from the 900 lb gorilla of responsibility being the no1 d in Boston helped. who knows, he tries to do to much when he's playing instead of focusing on his strengths. perhaps the room was really toxic last year and this w/o Bergeron. who knows, last years bruins probably would have been this bad if it wasn't for Ullmark/Swayman.

Zacha, Coyle and Frederic having career years along with JVR & Shattenkirk supplementing them also resulted in their success last year.

 

[Fenian24]

Murphy just confirmed its official, nothing going on, no changes coming!

 

[LJReborn]

And suspect treatment by the medical staff of team USA.

Because they couldn't see an infection inside the body? Don't remember McAvoy saying he was hurt after the Finland game either., I mean he went out and threw some bone crunchers the next game.

 

[EverettMike]

So Charlie McAvoy hasn't been healthy in at least two years?

What are the team doctors doing? Have the coaches and upper management forced him to play rather than let him heal properly? Has he insisted and they've let the player dictate what's going to happen? Why are they putting one of their best players and more valuable assets out on the ice for two straight years if he's not "right?"

I don't know, seems like it's trying to have it both ways when some say "you can't fault the Bruins cause he's not healthy." The Bruins are responsible for taking care of their players. Or at least they should be.

 

[Over the volcano]

Because they couldn't see an infection inside the body? Don't remember McAvoy saying he was hurt after the Finland game either., I mean he went out and threw some bone crunchers the next game.

Getting shot up with painkillers to play with a significant injury that lead to a serious infection is suspect medical treatment IMO.

 

[Patdud]

Zacha, Coyle and Frederic having career years along with JVR & Shattenkirk supplementing them also resulted in their success last year.

Bruins played pretty poorly last season for long stretches and got bailed out big time.

 

[JAD]

Even his play at 4Nations that's been referenced is revolving around only one game against Canada, which resulted in him being shutdown for the year. I don't know how anyone can ignore what I referenced about McAvoy head, heart and shoulder issues taking a toll on him. Its possible with close to an 8 month break he comes back to start the year ready to play at a level bot seen since 2021-22, but I'm not counting on it.

I would look at suckering the NYR or NYI into a trade for him though.

I said it at the time of the original injury and as he was scheduled for surgery ... shoulder surgeries are very tricky and most often people who have them are never the same again. I was fearful at the time how the surgery would impact McAvoy's career going forward. There are no guarantees with shoulder surgery.

As good a player as McAvoy can be, he (his shoulder) has to be considered a potential injury risk until proven otherwise. Should the Bruins be fortunate enough to pick first in this draft they should take the defenseman Matthew Schaefer. Doing so, then put together a package, Toronto's #1 and either McAvoy, or H. Lindholm, or Lorelei along with whatever else and trade for a young up and coming #1center.

My other concern is Hampus Lindholm and how his knee responds. McAvoy and Lindholm are two serious question marks going into next season. If things were to fall into place and the Bruins pick Schaefer, then moving on from one or both of McAvoy or Lindholm before they are exposed as potential liabilities would maybe enable the Bruins to reap a better more significant return. It's a risk but may need to happen.

In a perfect world I would rather McAvoy and Lindholm return and make runs at the Norris, but one can't indulge in wishful thinking either. Management needs to do what is in the best interest of the team long term. Hopefully, they have a very good idea of where each player is at in recovery and capable of before the draft; not maybes or potentials if things go well, but actual progression and ability. Hard choices may need to be made.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I said it at the time of the original injury and as he was scheduled for surgery ... shoulder surgeries are very tricky and most often people who have them are never the same again. I was fearful at the time how the surgery would impact McAvoy's career going forward. There are no guarantees with shoulder surgery.

As good a player as McAvoy can be, he (his shoulder) has to be considered a potential injury risk until proven otherwise. Should the Bruins be fortunate enough to pick first in this draft they should take the defenseman Matthew Schaefer. Doing so, then put together a package, Toronto's #1 and either McAvoy, or H. Lindholm, or Lorelei along with whatever else and trade for a young up and coming #1center.

My other concern is Hampus Lindholm and how his knee responds. McAvoy and Lindholm are two serious question marks going into next season. If things were to fall into place and the Bruins pick Schaefer, then moving on from one or both of McAvoy or Lindholm before they are exposed as potential liabilities would maybe enable the Bruins to reap a better more significant return. It's a risk but may need to happen.

In a perfect world I would rather McAvoy and Lindholm return and make runs at the Norris, but one can't indulge in wishful thinking either. Management needs to do what is in the best interest of the team long term. Hopefully, they have a very good idea of where each player is at in recovery and capable of before the draft; not maybes or potentials if things go well, but actual progression and ability. Hard choices may need to be made.

Yea

Bruins played pretty poorly last season for long stretches and got bailed out big time.

Their 'tending was reason #1 they over achieved and even more so in the PO.
They were slightly above average in GF(#13) in the NHL, so they did enough upfront
(Dman goals weren't high) and why I mentioned the forwards plus Shattenkirk.

 

[LJReborn]

Getting shot up with painkillers to play with a significant injury that lead to a serious infection is suspect medical treatment IMO.

ok so you have an issue with every medical staff for every professional team in sports. Fair

 

[Hookslide]

I said it at the time of the original injury and as he was scheduled for surgery ... shoulder surgeries are very tricky and most often people who have them are never the same again. I was fearful at the time how the surgery would impact McAvoy's career going forward. There are no guarantees with shoulder surgery.

As good a player as McAvoy can be, he (his shoulder) has to be considered a potential injury risk until proven otherwise. Should the Bruins be fortunate enough to pick first in this draft they should take the defenseman Matthew Schaefer. Doing so, then put together a package, Toronto's #1 and either McAvoy, or H. Lindholm, or Lorelei along with whatever else and trade for a young up and coming #1center.

My other concern is Hampus Lindholm and how his knee responds. McAvoy and Lindholm are two serious question marks going into next season. If things were to fall into place and the Bruins pick Schaefer, then moving on from one or both of McAvoy or Lindholm before they are exposed as potential liabilities would maybe enable the Bruins to reap a better more significant return. It's a risk but may need to happen.

In a perfect world I would rather McAvoy and Lindholm return and make runs at the Norris, but one can't indulge in wishful thinking either. Management needs to do what is in the best interest of the team long term. Hopefully, they have a very good idea of where each player is at in recovery and capable of before the draft; not maybes or potentials if things go well, but actual progression and ability. Hard choices may need to be made.

Two players that I like, but you bring up good points, I am as much concerned as you are with the health of both players. You lose one of those players, you could be in trouble, but as we have seen this with both out, could make for a long season as we have just witnessed.

 

[Over the volcano]

ok so you have an issue with every medical staff for every professional team in sports. Fair

The "everyone does it" stage of avoiding responsibility.

They had him play injured and get an infection (from the painkiller shot?) that went untreated under their medical guidance. That might be an ok doctor for you, but I'd look for someone more competent like McAvoy did when he returned to Boston.

Bruins 'Extremely Unhappy' With Team USA's Injury Treatment of Charlie McAvoy

Boston's star defenseman remains in the hospital and won't play in the 4 Nations Face-Off final vs. Team Canada.

www.si.com

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

The "everyone does it" stage of avoiding responsibility.

They had him play injured and get an infection (from the painkiller shot?) that went untreated under their medical guidance. That might be an ok doctor for you, but I'd look for someone more competent like McAvoy did when he returned to Boston.

Bruins 'Extremely Unhappy' With Team USA's Injury Treatment of Charlie McAvoy

Boston's star defenseman remains in the hospital and won't play in the 4 Nations Face-Off final vs. Team Canada.

www.si.com

It was the Wild’s medical staff and not their first issue by a long shot either.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

The "everyone does it" stage of avoiding responsibility.

They had him play injured and get an infection (from the painkiller shot?) that went untreated under their medical guidance. That might be an ok doctor for you, but I'd look for someone more competent like McAvoy did when he returned to Boston.

Bruins 'Extremely Unhappy' With Team USA's Injury Treatment of Charlie McAvoy

Boston's star defenseman remains in the hospital and won't play in the 4 Nations Face-Off final vs. Team Canada.

www.si.com

Without knowing all the details, the error seems to be in not getting a scan done. My guess would be that they did a physical assessment and thought it wasn't required, especially in the situation of a short tournament with quick turnarounds between games. Once you get to that point, then, like it or not, the "everyone does it" part is reality - pro athletes play through injuries with the help of pain-killing injections all over the world, every day. So once they decided he was healthy and safe enough to play, the shot was normal.

To judge the doctor's competence then, you'd have to know exactly how the initial assessment was done and how McAvoy's shoulder was presenting. Clearly something was missed, and Charlie's shoulder was worse than assumed, but how obvious was it? We simply don't know, and never will. As for the infection, it is possible it came from the injection, which would indeed be malpractice, but it could also be sheer bad luck. Again, we don't know.

 

[Over the volcano]

Without knowing all the details, the error seems to be in not getting a scan done. My guess would be that they did a physical assessment and thought it wasn't required, especially in the situation of a short tournament with quick turnarounds between games. Once you get to that point, then, like it or not, the "everyone does it" part is reality - pro athletes play through injuries with the help of pain-killing injections all over the world, every day. So once they decided he was healthy and safe enough to play, the shot was normal.

To judge the doctor's competence then, you'd have to know exactly how the initial assessment was done and how McAvoy's shoulder was presenting. Clearly something was missed, and Charlie's shoulder was worse than assumed, but how obvious was it? We simply don't know, and never will. As for the infection, it is possible it came from the injection, which would indeed be malpractice, but it could also be sheer bad luck. Again, we don't know.

Sounds like a hospital lawyer.

Of course we don't know the details - we do know that he was injured and played and they missed the infection that they may have caused. That's enough for me to conclude their treatment was suspect.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Sounds like a hospital lawyer.

Of course we don't know the details - we do know that he was injured and played and they missed the infection that they may have caused. That's enough for me to conclude their treatment was suspect.

I used to work as a legal advisor within the medical profession, so yeah, guilty as charged.

The mere fact that McAvoy ended up in an ER tells you his treatment was substandard. All I'm saying is we lack the information to make any sort of judgment on how much it was down to incompetence and how much to sheer bad luck. I'm not letting this doctor off, but I'm not going to hang him on such flimsy evidence either.

 

[Over the volcano]

I used to work as a legal advisor within the medical profession, so yeah, guilty as charged.

The mere fact that McAvoy ended up in an ER tells you his treatment was substandard. All I'm saying is we lack the information to make any sort of judgment on how much it was down to incompetence and how much to sheer bad luck. I'm not letting this doctor off, but I'm not going to hang him on such flimsy evidence either.

Totally fair

 

[LJReborn]

Sounds like when the Bruins messed up on JDB's concussion. Or better yet when the Bruins medicated Bergeron with a needle and punctured his lung.

 

[LJReborn]

The "everyone does it" stage of avoiding responsibility.

They had him play injured and get an infection (from the painkiller shot?) that went untreated under their medical guidance. That might be an ok doctor for you, but I'd look for someone more competent like McAvoy did when he returned to Boston.

Bruins 'Extremely Unhappy' With Team USA's Injury Treatment of Charlie McAvoy

Boston's star defenseman remains in the hospital and won't play in the 4 Nations Face-Off final vs. Team Canada.

www.si.com

I'm sure Mcavoy was carrying on about how much pain he was in and how badly he didn't want to play. Guessing you are unfamiliar with how quickly these types of infections spread as well.