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Sweden is overachieving, not choking.

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Eye of Ra

Eye of Ra

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Why do so many people accuse Sweden for "choking"? Sweden has several medals last 10 years and won a gold in 2012. Czechia has zero medals in about 20 years, i dont hear anybody making fun of them.

Sweden has less active players than USA, Canada, Czechia, Finland, Russia....Sweden has smaller pool of players to choose from. And yet the swedes are top 4 most of the years. Sweden is actually doing better than they should do.

People expecting Sweden to win gold and be as good as Canada makes zero sense.

Keep it civil.
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I mean I don't say it but I'm pretty sure it is based on winning 98% of their round robin games and then winning about 50% of their medal round games. That's my guess anyway. Edit... Meant to say at the WJHC.

Also, nobody makes fun of the czechs in the last 20 years because they always go home after the quarters.lol
 
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There's no such thing as overachieving. You either perform to the full of your abilities or you don't.
 
Sweden has four preliminary round losses in the last dozen or so years. It's a record that is absolutely incredible, and leads all countries in winning percentage by a good margin over that span. Given that info, it's pretty difficult for them to be labelled as "not in the top 5" countries in the WJC.

As for the argument about their population size being small, do you care to have a go at explaining Finland's success then? :sarcasm:

I honestly don't have an answer as to why Sweden can't get it done at this tournament. They seem to win at all other levels without issue. This is one of the most enigmatic mysteries in sport, in my opinion.
 
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Statsy said:
Sweden has four preliminary round losses in the last dozen or so years. It's a record that is absolutely incredible, and leads all countries in winning percentage by a good margin over that span. Given that info, it's pretty difficult for them to be labelled as "not in the top 5" countries in the WJC.

As for the argument about their population size being small, do you care to have a go at explaining Finland's success then? :sarcasm:

I honestly don't have an answer as to why Sweden can't get it done at this tournament. They seem to win at all other levels without issue. This is one of the most enigmatic mysteries in sport, in my opinion.
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Nobody cares about round robin. When it comes to playoffs, then Sweden is not a top 5 nation. Also Sweden was not even good in round robin this time.

Finland has more active players than Sweden. Sweden have even less active players than Czechia.

Just becuse Finland have sucuess it does not mean other small nations will have that too. I dont see Switzerland or Slovakia having that sucess that Finland have for exemple.

There is no mystery. We are not good enough. Simple as that.
 
Eye of Ra said:
Dont start with this jokes. My point is that Sweden is not top 5 in U20, yet people expects us to win Gold all the time. Makes no sense.
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Your point is super debatable, especially with Russia off the scene. How is Sweden not top 5 but playing for 3rd place? And I dont remember anyone expecting Sweden to win the gold here, many thought they had a shot but they were never favored. Canada is the country that is expected to win gold every single year.
 
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I THINK that the struggles to get to the finer medals at the wjc-level is due to the structure of the Swedish hockey program. At this age its about skill, stick handling, puck controll , shoot technique, passing etc. Not so much about size, bulking up, and boring in game tactics etc. The latter things are good to have in do or die matches. Things that every elite player will practice more of eventually though. Its a good thing they dont empazise on playing the trap in the neutral zone like the Czechs obviously do, I believe it kills creativity for booths teams, dont want to make the game boring for kids at that age.
Noticed that the Czechs where indeed bigger and and bulkier in general, compared to the more lanky Swedes. Yet like I said ,while it might be an advantage at a single playoff game in the wjc, In general, dont think its is an advantage to be like that at that age for the longrun of players careers.
 
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Eye of Ra said:
USA-Canada-Finland-Russia-Czechia is all better.
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They beat Finland! What are you talking about. They are finishing right where everyone expected them.

Snauen said:
I THINK that the struggles to get to the finer medals at the wjc-level is due to the structure of the Swedish hockey program. At this age its about skill, stick handling, puck controll , shoot technique, passing etc. Not so much about size, bulking up, and boring in game tactics etc. The latter things are good to have in do or die matches. Things that every elite player will practice more of eventually though. Its a good thing they dont empazise on playing the trap in the neutral zone like the Czechs obviously do, I believe it kills creativity for booths teams, dont want to make the game boring for kids at that age.
Noticed that the Czechs where indeed bigger and and bulkier in general, compared to the more lanky Swedes. Yet like I said ,while it might be an advantage at a single playoff game in the wjc, In general, dont think its is an advantage to be like that at that age for the longrun of players careers.
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This has way more to do with the specific structure of the Swede and Czech teams this year. Czechs have a way older team. The swedes had alot of 18 year Olds. Sweden wiĺ be better next year.
 
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I THINK that the struggles to get to the finer medals at the wjc-level is due to the structure of the Swedish hockey program. At this age its about skill, stick handling, puck controll , shoot technique, passing etc. Not so much about size, bulking up, and boring in game tactics etc. The latter things are good to have in do or die matches. Things that every elite player will practice more of eventually though. Its a good thing they dont empazise on playing the trap in the neutral zone like the Czechs obviously do, I believe it kills creativity for booths teams, dont want to make the game boring for kids at that age.
Noticed that the Czechs where indeed bigger and and bulkier in general, compared to the more lanky Swedes. Yet like I said ,while it might be an advantage at a single playoff game in the wjc, In general, dont think its is an advantage to be like that at that age for the longrun of players careers.
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You saw the Czechs trapping in this tourney,? For sure in the past but yesterday we were pushing for 2 full periods against a trap.lol.
 
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Eye of Ra said:
How is it straws? Sweden is top 4 most years, Leafs is not. Its a fact. And another thing is that Leafs is legit one of the best on the paper, while Sweden is not even top 5.
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We are top 4 with our B team. Top 3 with our A team.

Snauen said:
I THINK that the struggles to get to the finer medals at the wjc-level is due to the structure of the Swedish hockey program. At this age its about skill, stick handling, puck controll , shoot technique, passing etc. Not so much about size, bulking up, and boring in game tactics etc. The latter things are good to have in do or die matches. Things that every elite player will practice more of eventually though. Its a good thing they dont empazise on playing the trap in the neutral zone like the Czechs obviously do, I believe it kills creativity for booths teams, dont want to make the game boring for kids at that age.
Noticed that the Czechs where indeed bigger and and bulkier in general, compared to the more lanky Swedes. Yet like I said ,while it might be an advantage at a single playoff game in the wjc, In general, dont think its is an advantage to be like that at that age for the longrun of players careers.
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Well you need to be athletic to succeed in sports… Sweden sent 10 04 and 1 05. The youngest team by far. As the Canadian experts already deduced before the cup we are not aiming at winning this cup, we are aiming at winning the next cup in Gothenburg (hence shy a lot of good 03 were left out in this cup despite being more competitive).
 
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We are top 4 with our B team. Top 3 with our A team.


Well you need to be athletic to succeed in sports… Sweden sent 10 04 and 1 05. The youngest team by far. As the Canadian experts already deduced before the cup we are not aiming at winning this cup, we are aiming at winning the next cup in Gothenburg (hence shy a lot of good 03 were left out in this cup despite being more competitive).
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Canada with 4 golds in these last 10 years? Finland 3? The US 3? Sweden?
Pretty amazing how you insist on calling Sweden top3

Well Swedens last gold is from 2012, more than ten years ago... Guess it's time you win the gold so anyone besides yourself, can take your never ending excuses seriously.
 
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bert said:
They beat Finland! What are you talking about. They are finishing right where everyone expected them.


This has way more to do with the specific structure of the Swede and Czech teams this year. Czechs have a way older team. The swedes had alot of 18 year Olds. Sweden wiĺ be better next year.
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Better next year? And so will the US and probably Finland as well.
The US will have a lot of players coming back just like Sweden, so no real advantage against one opponent. Canada will always be competitive.
Finland will have Kemell and Nyman coming back, two high end talents. Add Rönni, Salin, Hämeenaho, Kaskimäki.
The 2006 players Konsta Helenius and Kiviharju, probably top10 picks both of them.
Same or better goalies born 2005.
And i don't believe Kulonummi nor Elmeri Laakso will be any worse than this years 2003 born defenders.
Also, don't believe Lassila will be such a downgrade to Verner Miettinen either.
Then you never know if Kiiskinen, Hynninen, Jesse Nurmi or others take big step next year.
My point in this? You insist on excusing your "Failures" every single time with speculations or writing that you guys are missing a lot of players. That is childish
and disrespecting towards your opponents.
Because you never know with talents, just look at Lambert and Kemell.
Lambert hasn’t took a single step in his development these last 2-3 years.
Kemell wasn't better in anything this year compared to the previous.

That's starting to be the thing here. Some swedes seem to have the most excuses of all, every single time.
I mean you guys consider yourselves a top3 nation with depth. Still you haven't won gold for 11 years and still you insist on complaining about missing players when Slovakia missed their first pick and don't have the same depth and they still managed better against Canada?

Hilarious how you keep on convincing yourselves about something that you can't prove with results or recent history.
 
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