Sweden in finals

[Mahonkinen]

I think swedes just overreacts to this. If we think last time u guys faced our junior teams, 2014 u20 and this year u18, we finns just had a hell of a team. I dont think it has nothing to do with smelting down or what ever and 2014 u20 was extremely close game. Same goes for Sochi, Canada just iced one of the best, if not the best NT ever.
Dont over think it. Results will come and it will be our/canadas/us/russias players drying tears.

 

[snipes]

I think swedes just overreacts to this. If we think last time u guys faced our junior teams, 2014 u20 and this year u18, we finns just had a hell of a team. I dont think it has nothing to do with smelting down or what ever and 2014 u20 was extremely close game. Same goes for Sochi, Canada just iced one of the best, if not the best NT ever.
Dont over think it. Results will come and it will be our/canadas/us/russias players drying tears.

That was honestly probably the best hockey team ever assembled.

3 goals against in 6 games and just smothered the competition. Yeah some scores looked close, but they weren't. That hockey team was unbelievable.

 

[YARR123]

The problem with being very good but not the best means that you probably are an underdog when you get to the final. Therefore it's likely that one has a losing record. That's what usually happens and iirc Finland's gold medal game record isn't very good when you combine all levels.

 

[ulvvf]

The game day drama was rather unfortunate, no doubt about that. But the missing players is what made Canada so deadly, it was such a balanced dangerous team. Even without Tavares and Stamkos they just had another elite player to replace them.

Well first you say you would have been much better with stamkos, now you say you become better without him. Either way it do not matter, the point was that sweden was far more affected by the missing players. The missing players, the drama during the matchday and the baised NHL refs make that lose per se hard to be upset about.

 

[ulvvf]

I think swedes just overreacts to this. If we think last time u guys faced our junior teams, 2014 u20 and this year u18, we finns just had a hell of a team. I dont think it has nothing to do with smelting down or what ever and 2014 u20 was extremely close game. Same goes for Sochi, Canada just iced one of the best, if not the best NT ever.
Dont over think it. Results will come and it will be our/canadas/us/russias players drying tears.

You can not make that excuse when it is 17 finals and 2 wins. If sweden would have face any of this teams outside the final sweden would not have that record. It is wrong to look at it as a single events when it is that many.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

You can not make that excuse when it is 17 finals and 2 wins. If sweden would have face any of this teams outside the final sweden would not have that record. It is wrong to look at it as a single events when it is that many.

And those 2 wins were against Switzerland and tired Russia in OT.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Quite a turnaround. It used to be the Finnish team versus the superstars, now it is the other way around. Feels good. Our goalie game may have gone south, though. Don't know yet. Korpisalo looks good.

Superstars vs Canadian team. That would be funny.

 

[therealdeal]

Well first you say you would have been much better with stamkos, now you say you become better without him. Either way it do not matter, the point was that sweden was far more affected by the missing players. The missing players, the drama during the matchday and the baised NHL refs make that lose per se hard to be upset about.

You should try to come up with more excuses.

I can see you're not worth discussing anything with.

 

[VictorLustig]

And those 2 wins were against Switzerland and tired Russia in OT.

Pretty lame arguments, there was 47 hours between Russia's semifinal and the GMG, more than enough time to recover for a bunch of 19 year olds. Sweden also played a longer game in the semifinal.

Also, that Swiss team were undefeated beating Canada, Sweden, USA and the Czechs x 2 before reaching the final. You're making it sound like they weren't a good opponent.

 

[Garl]

Pretty lame arguments, there was 47 hours between Russia's semifinal and the GMG, more than enough time to recover for a bunch of 19 year olds. Sweden also played a longer game in the semifinal.

Also, that Swiss team were undefeated beating Canada, Sweden, USA and the Czechs x 2 before reaching the final. You're making it sound like they weren't a good opponent.

Lame arguments?
Switzerland isn't a top team. Period. They were a massive underdog. Doesn't matter who they have beaten before, sometimes underdogs manage to get through. Doesn't elevate their skill level.
Nobody is saying that Canada faced very dangerous opponent in 2002 OG semifinals because Belarus has beaten Sweden, so they are probably a top team.
As for WJC 2012, Sweden was overwelmingly better thab Russia, outshot it like 5 to 1 and still managed to almost screw this up.

Sweden is awful in Gold Medal games. There's no argument really.

 

[VictorLustig]

Lame arguments?
Switzerland isn't a top team. Period. They were a massive underdog. Doesn't matter who they have beaten before, sometimes underdogs manage to get through. Doesn't elevate their skill level.
Nobody is saying that Canada faced very dangerous opponent in 2002 OG semifinals because Belarus has beaten Sweden, so they are probably a top team.
As for WJC 2012, Sweden was overwelmingly better thab Russia, outshot it like 5 to 1 and still managed to almost screw this up.

Sweden is awful in Gold Medal games. There's no argument really.

Well, then you don't remember much from that tournament. Sweden was not considered favorites by everyone in that final. Switzerland hadn't just beaten Sweden after getting massivly outshot like Belarus did, they had beaten top teams on 5 occasions leading up to the final and hadn't lost a game. They also carried the play against top teams. I remember because I saw two of their games live. Sweden definitely played well in that final.

 

[Garl]

Well, then you don't remember much from that tournament. Sweden was not considered favorites by everyone in that final. Switzerland hadn't just beaten Sweden after getting massivly outshot like Belarus did, they had beaten top teams on 5 occasions leading up to the final and hadn't lost a game. They also carried the play against top teams. I remember because I saw two of their games live. Sweden definitely played well in that final.

Is Switzerland a top hockey nation on par with Canada, USA, Russia?

 

[VictorLustig]

Is Switzerland a top hockey nation on par with Canada, USA, Russia?

Yes, in that particular tournament.

 

[Garl]

Yes, in that particular tournament.

My point is that Sweden has only 2 wins in last 10 years and 1 of them came against a team that is not a top hockey country.
Switzerland is not a top hockey country. They don't have a winning culture, they don't have many experienced NHLers and their skill level is lower than Sweden's.

So, winning finlas against Switzerland is not as impressive as winning against a top country.

 

[Dropkick Murphy]

In those last three final losses against Finland, it was clearly Finland who wanted to win more. All those three Team Swedens were handling the pressure on negative way. Many of top players were playing their worst matches when it mattered the most. I also felt that those swedish teams were lacking on-ice leadership. No Forsbergs, no Sundins, no Lidströms.

Maybe there is some work to do on leadership side. System is producing skilled players, but no leaders. Same apply also to NHL, apart from Detroit Red Wings it has been very seldom that SC champions would have Swedish players on leading roles.

 

[helax]

In those last three final losses against Finland, it was clearly Finland who wanted to win more. All those three Team Swedens were handling the pressure on negative way. Many of top players were playing their worst matches when it mattered the most. I also felt that those swedish teams were lacking on-ice leadership. No Forsbergs, no Sundins, no Lidströms.

Maybe there is some work to do on leadership side. System is producing skilled players, but no leaders. Same apply also to NHL, apart from Detroit Red Wings it has been very seldom that SC champions would have Swedish players on leading roles.

I don't by that, Landerskog, Karlsson are both captains, and oel will probably be in the future. We are in a generational shift not much to do about that.

And Garl, we can all see that you didn't watch that tournament. The Swiss was in god mode that tourney and played very good, so check your facts before dishing out claims.

 

[Garl]

I don't by that, Landerskog, Karlsson are both captains, and oel will probably be in the future. We are in a generational shift not much to do about that.

And Garl, we can all see that you didn't watch that tournament. The Swiss was in god mode that tourney and played very good, so check your facts before dishing out claims.

I din't say they played poorly. But they are not a top hockey nation, so a victory vs them is not as impressive.

 

[Vodalian]

1 in 2 WC is good enough. And no one was beating Canada in that OG, so no problem there.

Now junior hockey, thats a different animal. It's possible that Swedish junior players lack a mental edge because of something in their training, upbringing or whatever.

But I don't think there is much connection between the senior and junior national team results, they should not be lumped together like this. By the time the players are grown up and play in the NHL/SHL, they can handle playing for gold. If they fail it's because the other team was better.

 

[Dropkick Murphy]

I don't by that, Landerskog, Karlsson are both captains, and oel will probably be in the future. We are in a generational shift not much to do about that.

I see a leader in Landerskog, but OEL and Karlsson are not exactly the second comings of Mark Messier.