Sweden in finals
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Sweden used to have the mental big brother-little brother edge in final games over finland, but it has definitely changed now. Finals seem to be just awful for sweden, atleast in the juniors.
I know how you Swedes must feel. Finland... used to be like that. Since the late nineties all the way through the noughties Finland seemed to lose every damn final they ever made it to.
But yeah... this following decade. It's not perhaps that easy to perceive since we haven't really made it to all that many finals in men, but when you count the junior classes... holy heck. We've actually won more than we've lost. Unlike Sweden.
The world, is it going mad?
But yeah... this following decade. It's not perhaps that easy to perceive since we haven't really made it to all that many finals in men, but when you count the junior classes... holy heck. We've actually won more than we've lost. Unlike Sweden.
The world, is it going mad?
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Russia beat Canada in regulation while Sweden needed SO to beat Finland in the semis, not sure why the Russians would be more tired than the Swedes in that GMG.
But yeah, the record is not good and the performance in most losses have not been pretty. You can throw in a handful of Ivan Hlinka final losses as well.
We used to have years where we had a good team and good players, but absolutely no power to finish on scoring chances. I know what it feels like.
Quite a turnaround. It used to be the Finnish team versus the superstars, now it is the other way around. Feels good. Our goalie game may have gone south, though. Don't know yet. Korpisalo looks good.
Quite a turnaround. It used to be the Finnish team versus the superstars, now it is the other way around. Feels good. Our goalie game may have gone south, though. Don't know yet. Korpisalo looks good.
Uncle Rotter
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It is not just recently, in juniors (18 and 20) we have on 17 attemps in the final won 2. Something is very wrong then.
Something needs to be done, but nothing will be done.. They will only see it as a single event, when it isnt. The fact that they promoted Grönborg twice just shows that they do not see any problem with this.
Something needs to be done, but nothing will be done.. They will only see it as a single event, when it isnt. The fact that they promoted Grönborg twice just shows that they do not see any problem with this.
After tonights game i was thinking about a thread like this. To be honest Sweden lacks coaching. The only one who created a winning team was Rönnberg. He is very good at getting a group together and squeezing the best out of them when it matters the most. He just won the SHL gold with a team who was in a identity crisis 3 years ago. Mårts and Grönborg is just always talking about saving the best game for last. And then doing straight opposite.
In those finals mentioned, Rönnberg won the wjc gold. And then Mårts suceeded against Switzerland, but you can give him that they knocked out canada in the semis (i think). The OG loss you can't really argue about, Sweden had lost all their centers and was matching up against a powerhouse team in Canada
In those finals mentioned, Rönnberg won the wjc gold. And then Mårts suceeded against Switzerland, but you can give him that they knocked out canada in the semis (i think). The OG loss you can't really argue about, Sweden had lost all their centers and was matching up against a powerhouse team in Canada
They played Finland, actually. And not exactly a stacked Finland either. Though they got past Canada too, but that was the QF.
And IIRC, MÃ¥rts even admitted himself that his game plan in that tournament was to play the Sedins as much as he can, and hope they get it done. So yeah, not exactly a great tactical victory.
I think you have miss the point, it is not about a single event, but about a repeating pattern. If odds would evening out, then sweden would have won.
QnebO
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I have sense that we lost every time to Sweden in Final at some point years back. That's what I refered to.
Eye of Ra
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Hm, that is kind of true, we had Loui and Landeskog. So i don't really want to take away this victory from Mårts. The point is that Grönborg and Mårts have combined for 1 gold in 8 years. And especially in Juniors were we had so many stacked teams it is ridiculous.
And all i can say to the Finns. Congrats, you have a huge amount of elite talent, and well deserved sucess in recent years.
Swedes have an enormous culture in doing well in sports and they have excellent players both in the NHL and in the pipeline.
I would not worry one bit. It is just a bad run with RNG
I would not worry one bit. It is just a bad run with RNG
joe89
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The men's finals are not that many, 1 gold in 3(massive underdog in the olympic final) is not enough to read a trend. Include the 2006 finals and we're 3-3 the last 10 years.
As for the junior level, you can put that record on coaching. Oh how many of these teams were absolutely stacked with nothing to show for it, because they crumbled under pressure. Absolutely, we were the overwhelming favorite in maybe only two, but many of the losses were blowouts putting a sour taste to the record. Grönborg leads the charge, of course, but he's not alone.
The team that won the WJC is arguably in the bottom-three skillwise of all those final teams. So that's how things work out. Definitely not a fluke that the gold came with Roger Rönnberg.
The only final loss that really stings for me personally is the WJC final at home though, I don't grind the others too much. Ultimately it's just the stepping stone towards the men's team. The talent flow is more than enough to cover for the other losses. But at home, you want to win.
As for the junior level, you can put that record on coaching. Oh how many of these teams were absolutely stacked with nothing to show for it, because they crumbled under pressure. Absolutely, we were the overwhelming favorite in maybe only two, but many of the losses were blowouts putting a sour taste to the record. Grönborg leads the charge, of course, but he's not alone.
The team that won the WJC is arguably in the bottom-three skillwise of all those final teams. So that's how things work out. Definitely not a fluke that the gold came with Roger Rönnberg.
The only final loss that really stings for me personally is the WJC final at home though, I don't grind the others too much. Ultimately it's just the stepping stone towards the men's team. The talent flow is more than enough to cover for the other losses. But at home, you want to win.
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OT rant: never understood this scheduling when they put semis and final in subsequent days. Concerns WHC and U20 at least. Only in rare years it seems NOT to happen. Especially so ridiculously pointless in WHC when they first play two+ weeks and in the beginning is a very relaxed schedule. One day between semis and final matters a lot more than one day between group stage games, in addition to putting the team playing in the later semi at disadvantage. Just from an organizing and competition point of view seems stupid to take the risk at final being boring and more one-sided.
therealdeal
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In all fairness...
There have only been 2 OG since then, and they ran into a pretty strong Team Canada.
They have made 5 WJC finals since then, how did they do in the 10 years before that? I don't think they were making it to the finals very often. And they did win one, I was at that game, it was very exciting.
I think it just goes to show how difficult it is to win international tournaments. Sweden is one of the hockey powerhouses and look how few they have won. That's why any victory is a good one.
Also had baised refs against them and where missing their 3 best centers. Would probably have been a very different game with H Sedin, Bäckström and Zetterberg in the lineup.
This goes more for juniors then seniors and there it is very obvious, sweden have played in 17 finals (WJC 18 and 20) and won 2. There is no excuses for that. It just as hard for the other team as well to win, but I think all other top nation have much better stats from junior finals.
therealdeal
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I have a ton of respect for Swedish hockey on all levels, but the 2014 Team Canada were too good. Every team faces injury, and I'll say Sweden could have been better with those players, but Canada could have been a lot better that day too not counting injuries.
Canada replaced stamkos with Benn or something like that, sweden replace Bäckström with Ericsson. Sweden where fare more affected by the missing players. There where 3 elite center missing and no elite centers to replace them (if you can replace a elite player with another elite player it is not a big deal if you miss one, but if you can not, it becomes a bigger deal), and also consider all the drama during matchday.
therealdeal
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The game day drama was rather unfortunate, no doubt about that. But the missing players is what made Canada so deadly, it was such a balanced dangerous team. Even without Tavares and Stamkos they just had another elite player to replace them.
Past Considerations
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Sweden was snake bitten by the Backstrom doping case and bigger deal probably wasn't that he was missing, but how it messed up the team mentally and how they had to change lines at the last minute. If the whole tournament was a bit underwhelming, so was the final.
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