Swayman Vs The Bruins

[TooManyHumans]

Maybe Swayman is wrong about what he is worth, but I don't think he is wrong to try to get as much as he can. It's a business, isn't it? What Swayman is doing is no more wrong than the Bruins were for trying to minimize Swayman's contributions and talents when they went to arbitration.

 

[The Burdened]

Maybe Swayman is wrong about what he is worth, but I don't think he is wrong to try to get as much as he can. It's a business, isn't it? What Swayman is doing is no more wrong than the Bruins were for trying to minimize Swayman's contributions and talents when they went to arbitration.

i think a lot a people are fine with that. where he lost some people is the fact that he elected to go to arbitration and then wrote down the things the team said to make their case as to why they should pay him less, and takes those as personal shots and is holding onto them.

it's a business, isn't it?

 

[TooManyHumans]

i think a lot a people are fine with that. where he lost some people is the fact that he elected to go to arbitration and then wrote down the things the team said to make their case as to why they should pay him less, and takes those as personal shots and is holding onto them.

it's a business, isn't it?

He may be a giant baby. My point is that there is nothing wrong with even a giant baby trying to get as much money as he can. The owners try to give him as little as they can. It is the way these things work.

 

[hockey20000]

At this point it’s probably best to start looking at trade.

Theres no way that locker room built on culture won’t be affected by a dweeb who’s holding out by asking way more than he’s worth

yea i dunno how he even walks back in that room at this point after being such a spoiled brat like this . it will be awkward af

 

[nbwingsfan]

So who is trading for someone like that?

Teams in desperate need of a goalie and aren’t a team built on culture the same way the bruins have been

There hasn’t been a bad one in Boston since like 2006. They’ll be fine without him I reckon

He may be a giant baby. My point is that there is nothing wrong with even a giant baby trying to get as much money as he can. The owners try to give him as little as they can. It is the way these things work.

There is when you’re asking way more than you’re actually worth.

 

[Enga Olly]

For all the criticisms of Swayman taking things personally, seems like a lot of Bruins fans are doing the very same thing - and it's not even their livelyhood .

With the cap going up, 8x8 would be a bargain. Bridge deal for 2 or 3 at $9 would be acceptable if i was swayman but maybe not even that. Sea Bass strikes me as the vindictive type. I'd walk away if I was Swayman, that org is always trying to short-change. Swayman doesn't need to ptove anything, ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances. Pony up Boston

 

[BruinLVGA]

Swayman will be traded, Bruins have botched this about as badly as possible.

There will be those calling Swayman/players selfish, ignoring that the game is always in favor of the billionaire owners. That 64 mil woulda been plenty, imo, had they not offered it the way they did.

Oh, and I don’t think Swayman should take the arbitration so seriously (if that isn’t just a gambit)- it’s possible for both parties to be wrong to some degree, but Bruins seem far more at fault.

If Swayman wants to go, that’s the door. The club is bigger than any player. I remember when Kessel said he didn’t want to play for the Bruins and went to the Leafs. We survived, we’ll survive Swayman gone if that’s how it’ll play out.

 

[TooManyHumans]

There is when you’re asking way more than you’re actually worth.

I disagree. He is free to try to get as much as he can. There is nothing wrong with him doing so.

 

[hockey20000]

For all the criticisms of Swayman taking things personally, seems like a lot of Bruins fans are doing the very same thing - and it's not even their livelyhood .

With the cap going up, 8x8 would be a bargain. Bridge deal for 2 or 3 at $9 would be acceptable if i was swayman but maybe not even that. Sea Bass strikes me as the vindictive type. I'd walk away if I was Swayman, that org is always trying to short-change. Swayman doesn't need to ptove anything, ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances. Pony up Boston

a bargain? whats he done to prove hes worth 8mil hes been good but 8m is a overpay for the short succes he has had.

 

[Score08]

publicly stating "i went to business school" during a negotiation
then being butthurt about an arbitration hearing is pure comedy.
what are they teaching in Orono? businesses feelings 101?

I mean this is what they’re teaching at most colleges now.

 

[67 others]

So you’re saying your experience has absolutely zero bearing on this situation and felt the need to explain how your the guy. Got it.

Experience with how negotiations go during arbitration and conciliation in several fields. It's always the same. Union side, Exaggerate and compare self to X. Company side, tell the workers why they are worth less than they think, usually in very insulting terms and tell them they are lucky they have a job at all, take it or leave it.

The younger and more testosterone fueled union stewards with an ego always take it more personally than the older seasoned union guys.

By all released accounts of negotiations, it's exactly the same in hockey. Players feel insulted and bad blood emerges. They have several articles in the past few years about how ugly arbitration gets these days and how it's crucial to avoid it in modern NHL

 

[LeafsNet]

Get that bag sway

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

Completely side with Boston on this one. 8x8 is already pushing it for me. Higher than that should be reserved for best of the best and even then I wouldn’t love playing a goalie that.

 

[danpantz]

For all the criticisms of Swayman taking things personally, seems like a lot of Bruins fans are doing the very same thing - and it's not even their livelyhood .

With the cap going up, 8x8 would be a bargain. Bridge deal for 2 or 3 at $9 would be acceptable if i was swayman but maybe not even that. Sea Bass strikes me as the vindictive type. I'd walk away if I was Swayman, that org is always trying to short-change. Swayman doesn't need to ptove anything, ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances. Pony up Boston

Swayman can walk away at any time. Go over to Europe for two year. Come back a UFA.

Im sure some organization would definitely write him a blank check at that point and it definitely won’t cost him millions and de-rail his career.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I think he's trying to be the guy to get goalies out of the "other" category, separated from forwards and defensemen.

Young, promising skaters with limited league time get these deals all of the time. Goalies never do.

 

[SeaChaser]

This has been a great distraction while we all wait for the season to start. I don't care who is right or wrong. I could care less what both sides are saying, or not saying. Just please keep this distraction going until opening night.

I look forward to every time Boston and the Bolts play. Boston not having a goalie (insert name here), that doesn't live up to Boston goalies, would be my only concern. Boston puts out a great product on the ice, lets keep it that way,

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Completely side with Boston on this one. 8x8 is already pushing it for me. Higher than that should be reserved for best of the best and even then I wouldn’t love playing a goalie that.

And for that term. Someone make a list of all the goalies who have signed 8-year contracts at top-market money, then gone on to be worth that money consistently for 8 years. I'll eagerly wait for the list.

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

And for that term. Someone make a list of all the goalies who have signed 8-year contracts at top-market money, then gone on to be worth that money consistently for 8 years. I'll eagerly wait for the list.

I don’t care how good the goalie is there’s gonna be years where they’re not worth the contract. plus even at their best they’re playing 55 games a year. Not where I’d put my money. And this is coming from a huge price fan.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Swayman is not some generational talent that the Bruins gave up tons of assets for, or drafted with a top 5 pick, etc.

He was a 4th round draft pick who played well in a limited role in the Bruins system.

8x8 deal leaves ALL of the risk on the Bruins side, if he doesn't want to take this then he needs to be traded for whatever they can get or sit and rot until he's a UFA.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Maybe Swayman is wrong about what he is worth, but I don't think he is wrong to try to get as much as he can. It's a business, isn't it?

Define "wrong".

My wife co-owns a restaurant and she and her partner could totally cut the corners on a ton of stuff, from produce, to decorating, staff and offering less allergen-free options. They'd make even more profits but offer a shittier experience.

But it's not just a business to them. Other things matter, reaching personal goals and offering a great experience to their patrons.

Athletes who reduce hockey to just a business are parasites who degrade this beautiful sport. Their greed has a direct impact on cap room and they deprive their team of any chance of competing. At the end of the line, the fan is the one who is punished and offered a subpar product.

Athletes like Hedman and Stamkos understand that hockey is not just a business, and that's why they'll be some of the rare hockey players in the salary cap era to lead a tight team to back to back cups. Their legacy will endure and they still have way more money than they'll ever need for them and several generations of their descendants.

Meanwhile, guys who are in it to chase a bag they don't deserve, like Klingberg, Huberdeau and now Swayman, will be rightfully mocked and despised.

 

[Neil Racki]

The 8x8 was a legit offer?

I thought Sways agent said thats the first time they heard that number.

 

[TooManyHumans]

But the owners who clearly see it as a business are totally ok to do so.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

No, if you deserve $8m you better be playing 60 games. We aren’t talking your run of the mill $5m player here.

Swayman/Ullmark both are capable #1's it's not Swayman's fault he was part of the best tandem in the league. or are you assuming that Swayman is incapable of playing 60 games? he played 44 games last year, do you think he wouldn't be able to play those extra 16 games if needed to?

 

[Voight]

PKs take

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841544592447177008

Ironically he benefitted tremendously from the Habs refusal to give him a long term deal at first. Turned a 2 year bridge deal into a 72 million dollar contract.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

PKs take

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841544592447177008

PK is a smart man