Swayman Vs The Bruins

[Beesfan]

Yes professional athletes and sports leagues as a whole make entirely too much money relative to their benefit to society. Swayman isn't negotiating in a world where athletes are compensated relative to their benefit to society, though, so it doesn't matter.

That is absolutely fine but perhaps he can spare us statements that this is about anything more than money. Even his wounded ego act is just a negotiation plot in my opinion.

 

[elmaco]

I could feed my family on 1.5% of his salary. Just saying.

You aren't working even nearly the same hours he is, plus the pressure to succeed, optimised diet when you can just eat McDonalds. He has marketing value too which reflects on his salary.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

For the same reason that Edmonton's cap isn't McDavid's problem, and yet he's probably "only" going to get ~$15M and not 20% x $92.5M on his next deal.

$2.5M is clearly outside the range of "fair" for somebody with Swayman's resumé, as evidenced by what Boston's offers have (reportedly) been. $8M is not. That is where the line is, if you want to put one somewhere.

Got it. So this is an entirely arbitrary line as to what "fair" is.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Got it. So this is an entirely arbitrary line as to what "fair" is.

I prefer "subjective" to "arbitrary", but yeah. Unless your argument is that the player should just get whatever they want, and in that case I'd ask, what if Swayman wanted $11 or $12 million?

 

[RobsonStreet]

No, we can't. Boston has $8.5M in cap space, so Swayman getting $9M vs. $8M absolutely would impact one of the players on the bottom of the roster.

Hmm, sounds more like Swayman’s demands are impacting Swayman fitting into the Swayman part of the roster.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I prefer "subjective" to "arbitrary", but yeah. Unless your argument is that the player should just get whatever they want, and in that case I'd ask, what if Swayman wanted $11 or $12 million?

My issue is with the idea that Swayman should in anyway give a damn about the amount of cap space the Bruins left for him. Like if he agreed with the Bruins opinion of him and what they allotted for him cap wise, we would not be having this conversation right now lol. To be quite honest I am not sure why both sides are still so dug in about a long term deal. Sign him to like a 3 year deal at a smaller cap hit and then he can bolt and get his massive pay day from someone else, and the Bruins have a few years to figure out the replacement that isn't the shooter tutor they have now.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

You aren't working even nearly the same hours he is, plus the pressure to succeed, optimised diet when you can just eat McDonalds. He has marketing value too which reflects on his salary.

lol, please.

There are a lot of people in this economy who work two jobs,11 to 12 months a year just to make ends meet. Lots of folks who have full time jobs and are single parents with full time custody of children they must raise, feed and protect. Some who have to commute 3, 4 hours a day just to get to and from work.

Good for hockey players who earn an amazing amount of cash. But the "it's really a tough life being a hockey player" act is pure bullshit.

 

[MoneyManny]

He was offered 62 million dollars over 8 years, the Swayman's are set for generations to come, are we seriously going to act like him taking 60 million is gonna make his kids or his family starve?

The fans in a situation like this rightfully have a reason to turn on swayman. The team has more than doubled his contract, even going and giving him an 8 year deal because he wants it even though a bridge makes way more sense, and yet he has been unwilling to take the extremely fair deal. You can blame the salary cap, but you didn't see Shesterkin/Oettinger come out and say I want 9m after their contract was up, they signed a bridge to earn the long term deal that they will get.

This isn't a case where swayman is being forcibly offered 8 or nothing, he wants the 8 years
This isn't a case where swayman has a proven track record, he's played tandem goalie his entire career
This isn't a case where boston is lowballing him, he's been offered double his current contract
This isn't a case where there isn't a role for him in the lineup, he's the clear starter if he comes back

Swayman should take a 4-6 x 3 bridge and then cash in at that 8+ once he has proven that he is worth that money. All he is showing right now is either:
a) he isn't confident in his ability to perform at that level
and/or
b) he doesn't care about showing his ability he just wants to get paid regardless, hence the selfish part

None of this concerns you. He's negociating a contract for his employment and he's entitled to be as knuckleheaded about it as he wants. He's the one who is going to have to deal with how it plays out, not you.

I never argued any of these details. I'm not sure why you're replying all this to me. I agree that $60 million for him seems more than fair. I was pointing out to the guy who was calling Swayman selfish he was being unfair, as Sway is negociating his living's worth with a billionnaire employer.

 

[SensontheRush]

He's the one who is going to have to deal with how it plays out, not you.

The fans of the Bruins also have to deal with how it plays out. His teammates also have to deal with how it plays out.

Negotiate* and negotiations* btw.

 

[MoneyManny]

lol, please.

There are a lot of people in this economy who work two jobs,11 to 12 months a year just to make ends meet. Lots of folks who have full time jobs and are single parents with full time custody of children they must raise, feed and protect. Some who have to commute 3, 4 hours a day just to get to and from work.

Good for hockey players who earn an amazing amount of cash. But the "it's really a tough life being a hockey player" act is pure bullshit.

It's funny because most pro athletes have to live through everything that you mentioned as well.

- Multiple jobs? Check! Not every athlete makes millions.
- Custody of children? Check!
- commute? Is there anyone who commutes MORE than pro athletes???

Add to that the lifelong Spartan training since they're babies, the thousands of heads they need to step on constantly, the extreme pressure to perform, the hyper likelyhood of severe bodily injury, etc...

Sounds harder than sending an application to Burger King to me.

The fans of the Bruins also have to deal with how it plays out. His teammates also have to deal with how it plays out.

Negotiate* and negotiations* btw.

English is my third language, please forgive my less than stellar skills. Correcting me is unnecessary.

And, no they really don't. If you believe another man's salary affects you, maybe you're the selfish one? Pretty sure his living matters more than your entertainment.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

lol, please.

There are a lot of people in this economy who work two jobs,11 to 12 months a year just to make ends meet. Lots of folks who have full time jobs and are single parents with full time custody of children they must raise, feed and protect. Some who have to commute 3, 4 hours a day just to get to and from work.

Good for hockey players who earn an amazing amount of cash. But the "it's really a tough life being a hockey player" act is pure bullshit.

Ok, now do the billionaire jackass doing absolutely nothing but profiting off the players.

Just so weird to me how people take the side of billionaire leeches. Is it because you can wrap your head around $1 mil, but can’t even conceive of how much more the owners have, and how little of worth they actually do?

 

[nbwingsfan]

It is not his job to worry about other people's contracts.

And that’s not a teammate you want on your team

 

[SensontheRush]

It's funny because most pro athletes have to live through everything that you mentioned as well.

- Multiple jobs? Check! Not every athlete makes millions.
- Custody of children? Check!
- commute? Is there anyone who commutes MORE than pro athletes???

Add to that the lifelong Spartan training since they're babies, the thousands of heads they need to step on constantly, the extreme pressure to perform, the hyper likelyhood of severe bodily injury, etc...

Sounds harder than sending an application to Burger King to me.

Nhlers are the products of their communities. Hundreds of people come together to help them achieve their goals, not to mention all the sacrifices their parents and family members make to give them the time they need to succeed. And when they are NHLers, their significant others are tending to their households and looking after their children, not to mention their wealth enables them to privately hire whatever specialists they need to give them all the time they need to focus on their careers.

Also, flying and travelling across the world is f***ing sick. That's the ideal, not a problem they face.

 

[nbwingsfan]

My issue is with the idea that Swayman should in anyway give a damn about the amount of cap space the Bruins left for him. Like if he agreed with the Bruins opinion of him and what they allotted for him cap wise, we would not be having this conversation right now lol. To be quite honest I am not sure why both sides are still so dug in about a long term deal. Sign him to like a 3 year deal at a smaller cap hit and then he can bolt and get his massive pay day from someone else, and the Bruins have a few years to figure out the replacement that isn't the shooter tutor they have now.

It doesn’t seem like Swayman is giving them that option

 

[elmaco]

lol, please.

There are a lot of people in this economy who work two jobs,11 to 12 months a year just to make ends meet. Lots of folks who have full time jobs and are single parents with full time custody of children they must raise, feed and protect. Some who have to commute 3, 4 hours a day just to get to and from work.

Good for hockey players who earn an amazing amount of cash. But the "it's really a tough life being a hockey player" act is pure bullshit.

Boo hoo, why aren't you there making saves then?

 

[SensontheRush]

Ok, now do the billionaire jackass doing absolutely nothing but profiting off the players.

Just so weird to me how people take the side of billionaire leeches. Is it because you can wrap your head around $1 mil, but can’t even conceive of how much more the owners have, and how little of worth they actually do?

There are multiple levels to it. Yes, Owners are the ultimate parasites. I don't think this has anything to do with the owners though. As much as the cap system artificially limits player's contracts, it also produces a good NHL ecosystem that allows for more franchises to exist, thus supporting more communities and providing more jobs to people, including NHLers.

Ideally, franchises are owned by the cities they represent, but even if that were the case, there still would have to be a cap system, thus going back to square one here regarding Swayman's contract demands.