Waived: Svechnikov waived amongst others

[Gniwder]

One person's "lovely player" is another man's 13th/14th F in 21-22, or possibly after the deadline. I even prefaced my prior post with "I don't know how many were minor penalties". Jeez.

We're already paying Erne to do what Givani might do at the NHL level. Though Erne had an abysmal year along with most of our roster.

Erne sucks, he showed nothing last season. Givani at least goes for the puck like he wants it.

I still think he gets picked by Seattle, because the Wings have nothing of value worth picking. There are better defenders, goalies, and scoring forwards available from other teams, so they might as well pick up some physicality from the worst team in the league.

He's got the physical attributes to play in the NHL, some determination, and his hands were better than I expected (which was basically nothing, lol). Still hate the pick, but I don't hate the player. He'll be a 4th liner somewhere.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Erne sucks, he showed nothing last season. Givani at least goes for the puck like he wants it.

I still think he gets picked by Seattle, because the Wings have nothing of value worth picking. There are better defenders, goalies, and scoring forwards available from other teams, so they might as well pick up some physicality from the worst team in the league.

He's got the physical attributes to play in the NHL, some determination, and his hands were better than I expected (which was basically nothing, lol). Still hate the pick, but I don't hate the player. He'll be a 4th liner somewhere.

Until Erne is gone, Wings aren't likely to pay Smith for the same role is my point. It's not a Erne vs. Smith debate, they're both 4th liners, one somewhat established, one not, simple. I'll reserve judgement of Erne til this season is over, but admittedly, he doesn't look great in his role now.

 

[Gniwder]

What is this "saving Chris money" thing? Some crazy narrative people are now believing?

If Red Wings did make profit for 30 million after bad season, Chris Ilitch isn't losing money in big picture.

If Chris Ilitch pulls all those wires and not Yzerman, Chris was ready to pay 3.2M for a 2nd rounder when we acquired Marc Staal. Didn't seem like a money saving move.

Get real.

Sbisa ($800k), Kylington ($787.5k), and Balcers ($735k) were available and the WIngs made no waiver claims while holding on to Erne, Biega, and Nielsen.

What's that tell you? The team wasn't even willing to spend $800k to get rid of Biega who's making $875 on a one way contract.

Regardless, the Biega and Erne contracts were a complete waste of money, $1.8M buys a lot of pizza.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Sbisa ($800k), Kylington ($787.5k), and Balcers ($735k) were available and the WIngs made no waiver claims while holding on to Erne, Biega, and Nielsen.

What's that tell you? The team wasn't even willing to spend $800k to get rid of Biega who's making $875 on a one way contract.

Regardless, the Biega and Erne contracts were a complete waste of money, $1.8M buys a lot of pizza.

Agreed on the Biega contract, slightly less on the Erne one. I wanted Kylington too, perhaps Balcers.

 

[Sadekuuro]

Waiving Bernier would be moronic. Even trading him might be, depending on how he and Greiss perform this year. I like Greiss, but he's stepping to a team that is near the complete opposite of where he's coming from. Bernier proved that he could be an outstanding goalie on one of the worst teams of the century. Greiss has proven nothing of the sort. It should shock no one if Greiss turns in a real shitty season.

In my viewing, Greiss has always looked like a system goalie (especially evident on the Island). He's got some skill but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him get wrecked.

 

[Henkka]

Sbisa ($800k), Kylington ($787.5k), and Balcers ($735k) were available and the WIngs made no waiver claims while holding on to Erne, Biega, and Nielsen.

What's that tell you?

It does tell nothing for anyone. It tells only that you see greener grass everywhere else but not in our own base.

They were willing to spend 3.2M for Marc Staal to get a 2nd round pick. They were willing to spend 1M for Djoos as waiver claim. And they are still willing to spend, because Thomas Hickey rumors (3.75M left for 2 seasons) are still in the air.

Time to stop that false narrative about money saving.

Yzerman operates on his own vision and that money saving crap is nonsense. He could have saved more money after Abdelkader buyout, by buying out Nielsen too, but didn't do it? Why didn't he save money if the great plan is to save Chris Ilitch money?

Just nonsense trying to build every move or non-move as money saving move.

Biega was signed earlier, because no one can predict what will happen afterwards. Same for Erne. Have a bird in the hand. There's no crystal ball. You can't predict months before what others are gonna waive, and as we did see, others crap isn't anybody elses gold. Very average and poor guys did get claimed in this bigger season-starting typical splash. Swapping guys in a case of swapping, is also nonsense.

 

[Gniwder]

It does tell nothing for anyone. It tells only that you see greener grass everywhere else but not in our own base.

They were willing to spend 3.2M for Marc Staal to get a 2nd round pick. They were willing to spend 1M for Djoos as waiver claim. And they are still willing to spend, because Thomas Hickey rumors (3.75M left for 2 seasons) are still in the air.

Time to stop that false narrative about money saving.

Yzerman operates on his own vision and that money saving crap is nonsense. He could have saved more money after Abdelkader buyout, by buying out Nielsen too, but didn't do it? Why didn't he save money if the great plan is to save Chris Ilitch money?

Just nonsense trying to build every move or non-move as money saving move.

Biega was signed earlier, because no one can predict what will happen afterwards. Same for Erne. Have a bird in the hand. There's no crystal ball. You can't predict months before what others are gonna waive, and as we did see, others crap isn't anybody elses gold. Very average and poor guys did get claimed in this bigger season-starting typical splash. Swapping guys in a case of swapping, is also nonsense.

Biega and Erne showed they were AHL level players last season. Absolutely no reason to sign them, certainly not to one way deals. Those 2 signings were mistakes. That's not a bird in hand, that's a TURD in hand, especially considering how easily replaceable those 2 are.

Stevie was looking to add one more defenseman and carry 23 players, so the Djoos pickup was no surprise. He's been saying that during the entire offseason. Of course he added one of the cheapest dman possible, lol.

If Stevie trades for Hickey, there will be actual salary going the other way. Watch.

 

[Henkka]

If Stevie trades for Hickey, there will be actual salary going the other way. Watch.

We'll take more salary to Wings in that trade. Because Lamoriello is trying to shed caphits. Maybe Biega goes. 875k out, 2.5M in.

Watch.

If this thing will happen, then Biega also has a purpose. Yzerman does turn him to a better player. Without signing him he does not have that "free" piece to move. So it not so "ABSOLUTE NO REASON to re-sign" anymore.

You are missing all logic all time and live in some weird bubble.

 

[MBH]

Replacement-level looking at his career, probably. Replacement-level looking at his performance the last 2/3 of last season? Not even close. He was easily a top-10 goalie most of the way.

Again, waiving Bernier (right now) would be moronic. Given the condensed schedule and the amplified importance of having two competent goalies this season, he’s damn near untouchable right now.

That's fantasy. Top 10 goalie???
Waiving Bernier, a soon to be UFA, if you were getting a good young goalie, would be just fine.

 

[kliq]

That's fantasy. Top 10 goalie???
Waiving Bernier, a soon to be UFA, if you were getting a good young goalie, would be just fine.

I'd waive neither. If a team suffers an injury come TDL and Bernier is playing like he did last year, I do think he could get us a decent pick. Id prefer to just waive Nielsen.

 

[golffuul]

Looks like he didn't get picked up by anyone...so he lives in the Wings organization another day/year

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Bernier is a replacement-level player - like Greiss.
I fully expect Yzerman to consider trading Bernier at the end of the season - if he has any market value.

First... you expect that he'd consider trading Bernier at the end of the season... when he's a UFA? I mean, of course you'd look to potentially deal a rental goalie if you could when you're dead at the TDL.

So defensive about all this mediocrity.
Neddy was once a highly regarded goalie prospect.
If he was, I wouldn't have a problem ditching Bernier and running with him.

He was once a highly regarded goalie prospect. Now he was waived and his team 100% okay with the idea of losing him.

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He's done absolutely nothing to engender any kind of desire to pick him up outside of the fact that once upon a time he was taken in the second round. He CERTAINLY hasn't done enough that I'm looking to unceremoniously dump Jonathan Bernier who was one of the few Wings that actually had a pretty decent season in 19-20, given that he was behind the worst defense in hockey.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Sbisa ($800k), Kylington ($787.5k), and Balcers ($735k) were available and the WIngs made no waiver claims while holding on to Erne, Biega, and Nielsen.

What's that tell you? The team wasn't even willing to spend $800k to get rid of Biega who's making $875 on a one way contract.

Regardless, the Biega and Erne contracts were a complete waste of money, $1.8M buys a lot of pizza.

They could/should have picked up Kylington. But hell, maybe rumors around the league were that Kylington was a dick?

This doesn't tell me anything. They might just have not liked Oliver Kylington. or Rudolf Balcers or Luca Sbisa. Seriously, if guys are made available on waivers... it generally means that you couldn't land any value for them in a trade and you're risking losing them for nothing. Is Kylington actually good or is he just a prospect who you all liked a couple years ago and he's a name you know? All I've ever heard about Luca Sbisa is how dogshit a player he is. So, why on earth would you swap one dogshit player in Biega for another dogshit player in Sbisa?

You can hate Erne and Biega all you want and frame their contracts as wasted money all you want. But the Wings were either gonna give Biega 875k or they were gonna give Sbisa 800k. Both will suck just as much as the other. They were either gonna pay Erne 800k-1M or they were gonna give that to some other bottom of the barrel guy.

I mean, seriously, all of this damn handwringing and bitching about guys who teams literally were okay with losing for free and us not DUMPING OUR STARTING GOALIE FOR A GUY WHO'S HIGH WATER MARK IS A .916 SV% IN THE AHL. It hurts my damn heart.

 

[Winger98]

Sbisa ($800k), Kylington ($787.5k), and Balcers ($735k) were available and the WIngs made no waiver claims while holding on to Erne, Biega, and Nielsen.

What's that tell you? The team wasn't even willing to spend $800k to get rid of Biega who's making $875 on a one way contract.

Regardless, the Biega and Erne contracts were a complete waste of money, $1.8M buys a lot of pizza.

You know you're in my wheelhouse right now with the idea of Ilitch being cheap, but I think the lack of moves might also just be the Wings being fine with the crap roster they're putting out. they areguably have two or three (or four) guys on the taxi squad who are immediate upgrades on their roster but it is what it is.

 

[Oddbob]

Sbisa ($800k), Kylington ($787.5k), and Balcers ($735k) were available and the WIngs made no waiver claims while holding on to Erne, Biega, and Nielsen.

What's that tell you? The team wasn't even willing to spend $800k to get rid of Biega who's making $875 on a one way contract.

Regardless, the Biega and Erne contracts were a complete waste of money, $1.8M buys a lot of pizza.

How does claiming anyone get rid of money spent on Biega or anyone else? These waivers guys aren't improvements at all, seeing as virtually all other teams didn't claim them either. The thing is, every team has 10+ guys that are replaceable, at some point it just becomes a shuffling of deck chairs.

 

[Gniwder]

How does claiming anyone get rid of money spent on Biega or anyone else? These waivers guys aren't improvements at all, seeing as virtually all other teams didn't claim them either. The thing is, every team has 10+ guys that are replaceable, at some point it just becomes a shuffling of deck chairs.

Balcers and Sbisa were claimed, and I'd say the Preds are a much better team. The thing about Kilington is that he's got more potential than Biega, who actually past his prime (32).

Erne just sucks, he can't score, doesn't hit, doesn't fight, can't carry the puck, or set anyone up. On top of that he sucks defensively and doesn't PK. Now that Abby is gone, he's probably the most worthless player in the entire league right now.

 

[Gniwder]

You can hate Erne and Biega all you want and frame their contracts as wasted money all you want. But the Wings were either gonna give Biega 875k or they were gonna give Sbisa 800k. Both will suck just as much as the other. They were either gonna pay Erne 800k-1M or they were gonna give that to some other bottom of the barrel guy.

Erne and Biega are on one way contracts. That means if they picked up Sbisa, they would have to pay Biega AND Sbisa. Obviously you (and a few others) don't understand one way contracts, so we're done discussing this.

 

[jaster]

That's fantasy. Top 10 goalie???
Waiving Bernier, a soon to be UFA, if you were getting a good young goalie, would be just fine.

Look at his numbers in the last 60% or so of the season. Behind that defense. Behind THAT team. Yes. Top-10 goalie, and very easily. I remember reading that some of his metrics down the stretch were top-5. On that record-breakingly awful team. He was incredible. Now, like I said before, he's not going duplicate that performance. It's just not likely enough. Regression. But he should still be more than adequate, given his ability and familiarity with this crappy team. Greiss, or anyone else, is more likely to be blindsided by a team in front of them they aren't at all used to.

A good young goalie? Sure. The guy you were talking about is not a good, young goalie though. He was waiver fodder. And still is.

 

[MBH]

Look at his numbers in the last 60% or so of the season. Behind that defense. Behind THAT team. Yes. Top-10 goalie, and very easily. I remember reading that some of his metrics down the stretch were top-5. On that record-breakingly awful team. He was incredible. Now, like I said before, he's not going duplicate that performance. It's just not likely enough. Regression. But he should still be more than adequate, given his ability and familiarity with this crappy team. Greiss, or anyone else, is more likely to be blindsided by a team in front of them they aren't at all used to.

A good young goalie? Sure. The guy you were talking about is not a good, young goalie though. He was waiver fodder. And still is.

No. He wasn't a top 10 goalie.
Trying to be most generous to him - I started him off at Dec, 12 - to wipe out a couple 4 goal on 25 shot boners.
27 games 10-13-1, .919 save percentage and a 2.62 sv pct.

That's nice.
It's not top 10.

Bernier is nothing special. He did a nice job last year and did what he almost always does....907 sv pct is about right for him.

Jonathan Bernier has never been a top 10 goalie in the league and he didn't start being one last year with the Detoit Red Wings.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

No. He wasn't a top 10 goalie.
Trying to be most generous to him - I started him off at Dec, 12 - to wipe out a couple 4 goal on 25 shot boners.
27 games 10-13-1, .919 save percentage and a 2.62 sv pct.

That's nice.
It's not top 10.

Bernier is nothing special. He did a nice job last year and did what he almost always does....907 sv pct is about right for him.

Jonathan Bernier has never been a top 10 goalie in the league and he didn't start being one last year with the Detoit Red Wings.

Wasn't Bernier voted Team MVP last season iirc?

So the period you've looked at is: .919SV%.
1. now look up which goalies are under that in the same timeframe.
2. Then consider the teams they played for
3. vs. the AHL D & F's (1/2 our roster or more) that Bernier had to suit up with.


That's what the point is. After a rough start he was our teams best player most nights.

 

[jaster]

No. He wasn't a top 10 goalie.
Trying to be most generous to him - I started him off at Dec, 12 - to wipe out a couple 4 goal on 25 shot boners.
27 games 10-13-1, .919 save percentage and a 2.62 sv pct.

That's nice.
It's not top 10.

Bernier is nothing special. He did a nice job last year and did what he almost always does....907 sv pct is about right for him.

Jonathan Bernier has never been a top 10 goalie in the league and he didn't start being one last year with the Detoit Red Wings.

As usual, you are stripping away very significant context when using stats. Despite some popular belief, save % is not solely on the goalie. And it especially isn't solely on the goalie on a team like last year's Wings team. The quality of shots he saw was incredibly high. Given how bad the Wings were last season (again, since many around here don't seem to get it, they were in some metrics a million miles from 30th place... many magnitudes larger separation from 30th than between any other 2 places in the standings), even his season long save % was pretty impressive. The Wings were incredibly bad. Possibly the worst team of the century. And Bernier won them, according to your stats, 10 of 24 games down the stretch.

A .919 save %, on last year's Wings team, for whatever stretch, is incredible. Bernier was incredible down the stretch. Top-10, AINEC. He was the team MVP. Again, AINEC.

Your take is not uncommon, but it really underscores the fact that many Wings fans don't even fully comprehend the abomination they watched last season.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Yep^. HDCA% was ugly enough to make the baby Jesus cry.

 

[MBH]

Erne sucks, he showed nothing last season. Givani at least goes for the puck like he wants it.

I still think he gets picked by Seattle, because the Wings have nothing of value worth picking. There are better defenders, goalies, and scoring forwards available from other teams, so they might as well pick up some physicality from the worst team in the league.

He's got the physical attributes to play in the NHL, some determination, and his hands were better than I expected (which was basically nothing, lol). Still hate the pick, but I don't hate the player. He'll be a 4th liner somewhere.

Reminds me of a poor man's glendening - but at wing.

 

[MBH]

As usual, you are stripping away very significant context when using stats. Despite some popular belief, save % is not solely on the goalie. And it especially isn't solely on the goalie on a team like last year's Wings team. The quality of shots he saw was incredibly high. Given how bad the Wings were last season (again, since many around here don't seem to get it, they were in some metrics a million miles from 30th place... many magnitudes larger separation from 30th than between any other 2 places in the standings), even his season long save % was pretty impressive. The Wings were incredibly bad. Possibly the worst team of the century. And Bernier won them, according to your stats, 10 of 24 games down the stretch.

A .919 save %, on last year's Wings team, for whatever stretch, is incredible. Bernier was incredible down the stretch. Top-10, AINEC. He was the team MVP. Again, AINEC.

Your take is not uncommon, but it really underscores the fact that many Wings fans don't even fully comprehend the abomination they watched last season.

Revisionist history.
More like Drunk History,

Why don't you compose your top 10 goalies list for the last 2/3rds of the season.

 

[jaster]

Revisionist history.
More like Drunk History,

So I drink a little. Sue me