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Two goals? Maybe, I guess we would have to see.And maybe if they weren't a bubble team and a real contender, they would be the one who's up 3-1.If he put 2pts tonight, does that mean he's equal to Hischier in your eyes?
Suzuki vs Necas vs Thomas vs Hischier (2017 draft Center)
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You can throw out +/- if you want. Hischier had 4 goals in 5 games. Thomas has 6 points in 4 games. Suzuki has 2 goals in 4 games. One is clearly worse than the others in this sample size.
Do you agree that 5 games is insignificant when comparing careers, or are you just pointing out your imagined hypocrisy?If the Suzuki had the same playoff stats this year as Thomas would Hab's fans say "it's only five games".
*looks at the specific Hab's fans in the above posts*
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I thought it was awful and super annoying the way you kept moving the goal posts to be honest but glad you enjoyed it.
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I'm glad that worked out for you. Again, I learned nothing from these exchanges with you and other Habs fans except how defensive you are about Suzuki and your unwillingness to either acknowledge other players contributions or the idea that anyone of them could have an advantage in any which way when compared to Suzuki.
'Well their linemates are better'
'Well Suzuki is the only scoring threat so he gets all the tough matchups'
'Suzuki has to have offensive deployment because he's the only good player on the team. Dzone starts would be wasting him'
'He doesn't PK much because he already plays too much and that would be over usage'
He's a great player. No one is debating it. Hischier and Thomas are also great players. They're all on the same level. Be cool with that.
Why is everyone comparing such small samples. One serie? Really? When a team is somewhat dominated in the playoffs every players in that team with have their numbers tank. especially when the opposing goalie is hot. Montreal is playing the best team from the east, a very physical team built for the playoffs with a goalie on fire (Cane's goalie is also very hot right now, props for Hishier to produce despite that). But hellebuyck is extremely cold. Can't compare the production of forwards when twice as many goals are allowed by the opposing goalie.
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I am cool with that. And since you're an honest guy, you'll recognize that I wasn't the one who made any of those arguments in favor of Suzuki. Take them up with whoever did.
I was just pointing out the absurdity of you continuing to point out the 4/5 playoff games this year, as if that tilts the scale one way or the other. It doesn't.
Because theyre not playing against the same teams? The parameters are completely different. Thomas' numbers are inflated by Hellebuyk unable to stop a beach ball.
Where the hell did you predict the Habs to finish this season? Im sure you predicted them in the bottom 5 of the nhl again. The fact they reached the playoffs is a miracle by itself. Just read the thread "Predict the atlantic divions rankings". 95% predicted the habs to finish 8th in the atlantic. Im sure i could open that thread and see you predicting them to be in the playoffs right?
I can guarantee our pal @Xirik did not expect his presidents trophy winning devils with Seamus "calder" casey season to end before the bottom 5 habs season would. lol
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I guess it would depend on your definition of 'tilts'. They are important games being played and they matter. On their own do they fully change the ranking our outlook of a player? No... I mean unless it was historically good one way or the other, but they aren't meaningless either. Everything matters. To suggest that it doesn't is silly. I'm not the one ignoring any data set. I'm the one advocating for including all of it and trying to contextualize it.
what about the data set that shows that suzuki has produced at a much better rate in the playoffs than either player, including these 5 games?
I think you said something along the lines of
"Ya but that's in the past. Literally 4-5 years ago"
"but no, bizarro COVID playoff runs from 4-5 years ago aren't gonna hold the same weight"
To be fair, montreal might very well lose in 5.
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You play the opponent you are given. Sometimes they are hot and sometimes they aren't. Losers are the ones who make excuses instead of producing results or taking responsibility. No one said the teams are equal or even. It never will be. You can't play another teams opponent so just worry about your own.
I predicted bottom 10 with figuring somewhere between 8-12. I also remember saying I wouldn't be shocked if they ended up bottom 5 because they weren't a great team and at the bottom of the league the order can be quite interchangeable. They had some really great seasons from key contributors and combined with an overall weak Eastern Conference with fall off from teams like BOS, NYR, NYI, PHI they seized the day and earned a spot in the dance. Very strong progression and definitely over achieved based on pre-season expectations.
Having said that, the regular season is over. Yes, I'm sure everything is being viewed as gravy on poutine for Montreal right now but playoffs are different. You got here, now you have to show up and do something about it. If you're OK with just getting to the dance and then middling around in the first round that's fine. You should be happy about your season and no one is taking that away... but don't pretend like the Habs are playing lights out hockey or being stumped by the dynasty oilers or something. They are playing a better team and as of right now they aren't doing what they need to do to win games and the individual players stats are showing that.
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They were bizarro COVID years and they WERE 5 years ago. They exist and they are what they are. It's great they happened for him. I'm not erasing them from the record. As I'm sure everyone would agree, they aren't as relevant as the hockey that is being played this year or last year.
I also didn't say he DIDN'T produce better in the playoffs 5 years ago. That's the difference here. I'm not twisting anything and trying to defend any player. I literally don't care if any of them play another game in the NHL and decided to open up '3 C's best bros travel & cruises' in the Bahamas.
Making shit up like usual.
1. I never stated the Devils would with the President's trophy
2. Casey had a good start of the season but the Devils depth pushed him out. Do you deny that he had a good start? do you have anyything to point out that would show that what he did was a mirage and he's not going to keep up the pace?
3. Are you really bring up the season ending before the Hab's? the only reason that is because of scheduling. Perhaps wait to see if your Habs actually win their game 5 before bringing that up. Based off the bad karma you've racked up so far they are going to lose.
Lol, bad karma
Last day of the season for New Jersey devils was April 29, Montreals on April 30 or later
It do be facts tho
Also, idgaf about casey
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If you’re season also ends in 5 trying to pat yourself on the back that your season lasted one extra day (which is purely based off of scheduling and not some magical skill Suzuki had to push the playoff game back one day further) is pathetic cope lmao
If you’re season also ends in 5 trying to pat yourself on the back that your season lasted one extra day (which is purely based off of scheduling and not some magical skill Suzuki had to push the playoff game back one day further) is pathetic cope lmao
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