GDT: Superbowl LI - Patriots vs Falcons

[peate]

I dont even think Brady is the GOAT in the NFL. I think Joe Montana stlll is. Joe Montana has NO blemishes on his career: 4 SB wins, 3 SB MVPs, 8 Pro Bowl appearances. Most importantly, no SB losses. Brady has a number of blemishes in his career, especially in 2008 when the Pats might have had the best team of all time and they lost to the pathetic Giants in the SB.

Just as a passer too, Montana was far more dangerous, with his ability to scramble, and his ability to improvise on the fly.

I saw both of them play. Brady's great, but Montana was magic.

I love Joe Montana, followed him from his beginning at Notre-Dame, and 49ers became my team when they drafted him. He was a cut above that's for sure. His successor wasn't too shabby either.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

I dont even think Brady is the GOAT in the NFL. I think Joe Montana stlll is. Joe Montana has NO blemishes on his career: 4 SB wins, 3 SB MVPs, 8 Pro Bowl appearances. Most importantly, no SB losses. Brady has a number of blemishes in his career, especially in 2008 when the Pats might have had the best team of all time and they lost to the pathetic Giants in the SB.

Just as a passer too, Montana was far more dangerous, with his ability to scramble, and his ability to improvise on the fly.

I saw both of them play. Brady's great, but Montana was magic.

Well, that's an absurd take.

Montana didn't make the Super Bowl more than four times and you're rewarding him for it. If Montana isn't at fault for his conference final losses, why is Brady at fault for his Super Bowl losses?

The Giants were not pathetic either time they faced the Pats - what the hell man. The Giants played excellent football in both wins, especially the 18-1 game, and earned their win. The Pats O-line collapsed under their pass rush.

The anti-Brady bias is sad, it's like those who find any excuse to hate Messi or Crosby today... you're missing out on a legendary player. His will to win and concentration and football IQ is unmatched, he is the single greatest player in the history of the sport and you just watched him defy all the odds and mount the most spectacular comeback in the history of the Super Bowl. Enjoy it! Praise him! Let loose!

He had to convert on two points TWICE in one half. Some teams barely manage that in an entire year.

I still can't believe it happened. I'm so incredibly impressed and proud of Belichick and Brady and the entire Pats team. They were all out of sorts and managed to get into the head of the Falcons and will themselves to victory. Nothing but respect to them. Five rings. Wow.

 

[le_sean]

Lol "pathetic Giants". Underrated team. Stop looking at their regular season record. Pass rush was unreal, O Line was great and receivers were amazing too. 3 road playoff wins to get to the SB.

 

[ChaosLord]

Yeah, I consider them "pathetic", RELATIVE to that Patriots juggernaut of that year. I mean the Pats had Brady in his prime, and a wide receiver corps of future HOF Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, and Wes Welker. Who did the Giants have? Eli Manning

The Patriots had an overwhelming talent edge, and still lost that game, as a result of the Giants defensive coordinator's brillant game plan. That's a blemish which the Montana led 49ers do not share.

 

[le_sean]

Yeah, I consider them "pathetic", RELATIVE to that Patriots juggernaut of that year. I mean the Pats had Brady in his prime, and a wide receiver corps of future HOF Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, and Wes Welker. Who did the Giants have? Eli Manning

The Patriots had an overwhelming talent edge, and still lost that game, as a result of the Giants defensive coordinator's brillant game plan. That's a blemish which the Montana led 49ers do not share.

They had Umeniyora, Strahan, Tuck and Kiwanuka.

Also, Plaxico, Toomer and Shockey as receivers. No slouches.

I hope you also realize the worst team in the NFC East that season were the Eagles at 8-8; 3 teams from the division made the playoffs. 2nd place in the AFC East were the 7-9 Bills. Nice for the Patriots to put up absurd numbers against pure garbage.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Yeah, I consider them "pathetic", RELATIVE to that Patriots juggernaut of that year. I mean the Pats had Brady in his prime, and a wide receiver corps of future HOF Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, and Wes Welker. Who did the Giants have? Eli Manning

The Patriots had an overwhelming talent edge, and still lost that game, as a result of the Giants defensive coordinator's brillant game plan. That's a blemish which the Montana led 49ers do not share.

Man, you have no interest in having a discussion whatsoever.

 

[habdynasty]

Brady is the GOAT, no question.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I dont even think Brady is the GOAT in the NFL. I think Joe Montana stlll is. Joe Montana has NO blemishes on his career: 4 SB wins, 3 SB MVPs, 8 Pro Bowl appearances. Most importantly, no SB losses. Brady has a number of blemishes in his career, especially in 2008 when the Pats might have had the best team of all time and they lost to the pathetic Giants in the SB.

Just as a passer too, Montana was far more dangerous, with his ability to scramble, and his ability to improvise on the fly.

I saw both of them play. Brady's great, but Montana was magic.

I love Joe Montana. He's what got me into football in the first place. But to give credit to Montana for not losing in the superbowl over Brady who's won five doesn't make sense. Yes, Brady lost twice in the superbowl but he made it to the superbowl three more times than Montana did. All Joe did was lose earlier.

Brady has surpassed Montana. There's no shame in being the 2nd best all time. Joe Montana is a legend and always will be.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

I love Joe Montana. He's what got me into football in the first place. But to give credit to Montana for not losing in the superbowl over Brady who's won five doesn't make sense. Yes, Brady lost twice in the superbowl but he made it to the superbowl three more times than Montana did. All Joe did was lose earlier.

Brady has surpassed Montana. There's no shame in being the 2nd best all time. Joe Montana is a legend and always will be.

This is all on top of the regular season numbers of 61000 yards to 40000, 456 TDs to 273, 12 Pro Bowls to 8, 183 wins to 117, and 97.2 QB rating to 92.3 - all in Brady's favour.

 

[scrubadam]

The losing 2 SB's has got to be one of the weakest arguments. The guy made it to 7 SB's that is a feat onto itself. Winning 5 of them is even more amazing.

Too bad Joe couldn't get to a 5th SB let alone 7.

Brady is the GOAT, no problems with being 2nd best to Brady.

Probably going to be a long time till we get to see a player as great as Brady again. Lucky enough he might play another 5 years, probably win another chip or two in the process.

I can imagine him going 2-1 and people still saying well he has a 7-3 record its not impressive.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I dont even think Brady is the GOAT in the NFL. I think Joe Montana stlll is. Joe Montana has NO blemishes on his career: 4 SB wins, 3 SB MVPs, 8 Pro Bowl appearances. Most importantly, no SB losses. Brady has a number of blemishes in his career, especially in 2008 when the Pats might have had the best team of all time and they lost to the pathetic Giants in the SB.

Just as a passer too, Montana was far more dangerous, with his ability to scramble, and his ability to improvise on the fly.

I saw both of them play. Brady's great, but Montana was magic.

People really need to stop for a second and think about how terrible this argument is. I don't care who you're a fan of.

You're telling me that the guy who has been to more SB's and has more SB wins is not as great because he has two losses as a "blemish"? So, Montana couldn't even make it to as many SB's, but because he never had the opportunity to lose by not getting there...he's better?

I'm not even making an overall argument as to why Brady is better. I'm just saying that is, hands down, the dumbest and most ignorant point of argument I've ever seen in within sports discussion.

Eli Manning has made it to two, without losing one. No blemishes, am I right? And you're going to come back and say "he doesn't have the overall stats outside of the SB". Understood. But, using the "blemish free" argument for a guy who made less Super Bowls and has less wins is incredibly dumb, to whatever degree you're arguing.

 

[googlymoogly]

The Falcons lost that game a lot more than NE won it. Worst play calling in SB history. Run the ball twice, kick a field goal and you are leading by 11 pts with about 3 minutes left. And that guy is off to coach the 49ers?? hahahahaha

That is the way I saw it as well. The Falcons defense were getting tired all the Falcons had to do is slow the game down to let their D get some rest. The Falcons backs were getting good yardage and that Ryan fumble occurred on a 2nd down and 1 yard, if they run it on that play likely there is no fumble and a 1st down as well. It would of been over at that point as the time would keep burning down and the score would of still been 28-12. Stupid play calling to not use your backs and pound it down the Patriots throats.
As for Brady a lot of balls got knocked down they are lucky none were intercepted. He was not that good in this game, his players pulled off some miracle catches as his aim was off.

 

[SB164]

I don't see how anyone can blame Tom Brady for the Patriots losing to the NY Giants twice. If it wasn't for Mario Manningham, David Tyree, and Eli Manning, Brady would be 7 for 7 right now.

 

[Le Tricolore]

I don't see how anyone can blame Tom Brady for the Patriots losing to the NY Giants twice. If it wasn't for Mario Manningham, David Tyree, and Eli Manning, Brady would be 7 for 7 right now.

Or you could say that if it wasn't for Adam Vinatieri Brady would be 3 for 7.

Football is a team sport. Brady accomplished a lot, but the supporting cast helps a lot.

 

[Chili]

Greatest QB of all time?

Probably hasn't been born yet.

50+ years from now it will be Joe who, Tom who like its Bart who And Johnny who now.

Or Sammy Baugh.

 

[CrazyShea]

Another super bowl given to the Patriots by the opposing teams OC. Run the ball and they win. Belichick must be the biggest mind **** ever, because the play calling was like watching someone play madden online. Happy the 49er's just hired this guy as their head coach lol.

 

[sandviper]

I love Joe Montana, followed him from his beginning at Notre-Dame, and 49ers became my team when they drafted him. He was a cut above that's for sure. His successor wasn't too shabby either.

I watched Montana in the latter stages of his career and he was my earliest memory of football greatness and yes, Steve Young was excellent as well. He is in my top-5 favorite NFLers of all time. That said, I am not a Brady fan but I concede he is probably the GOAT. I mean, I always knew he was great but last night cemented it.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Or you could say that if it wasn't for Adam Vinatieri Brady would be 3 for 7.

Football is a team sport. Brady accomplished a lot, but the supporting cast helps a lot.

It's a team sport but I can remember so many dropped balls in those superbowl losses. Even yesterday they dropped the ball so much in the first half. It's not like he's had a Jerry Rice to throw to. Imagine if he did.

 

[SB164]

It's a team sport but I can remember so many dropped balls in those superbowl losses. Even yesterday they dropped the ball so much in the first half. It's not like he's had a Jerry Rice to throw to. Imagine if he did.

Deion Branch, Wes Welker, and yes, Aaron Hernandez. There were a lot of dropped balls vs the NY Giants.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I dont even think Brady is the GOAT in the NFL. I think Joe Montana stlll is. Joe Montana has NO blemishes on his career: 4 SB wins, 3 SB MVPs, 8 Pro Bowl appearances. Most importantly, no SB losses. Brady has a number of blemishes in his career, especially in 2008 when the Pats might have had the best team of all time and they lost to the pathetic Giants in the SB.

Just as a passer too, Montana was far more dangerous, with his ability to scramble, and his ability to improvise on the fly.

I saw both of them play. Brady's great, but Montana was magic.

So Carey Price losing in the 1st round is better than Price losing in the SCF?

Dude Montana was a hell of a QB, but Brady is on another level, and he is there alone!

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Deion Branch, Wes Welker, and yes, Aaron Hernandez. There were a lot of dropped balls vs the NY Giants.

Yup, Welker dropping that ball late in the game costed a first down and the win. Was definitely not Brady's fault. Giants played 2 perfect games

 

[Bob Cole]

JC Lajoie was a must listen this afternoon. Great recap. Idc who you are (except bitter Jets fans maybe lol), hard not to appreciate greatness. Enjoy because players like Tommy ****ing Brady are once in a generation.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

Brady is one of the GOAT but i dunno i still have Peyton Mannng right up there from current generation even down a couple rings

 

[Hullois]

Brady is one of the GOAT but i dunno i still have Peyton Mannng right up there from current generation even down a couple rings

Manning at his peak was more dominant than Brady at his peak. But not by much. But then Brady is still doing it pretty much at the same level. So there's that.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Manning at his peak was more dominant than Brady at his peak. But not by much. But then Brady is still doing it pretty much at the same level. So there's that.

Really? In Manning's best season he rode an arsenal of Reggie Wayne/Marvin Harrison/Edgerrin James to 49 touchdowns, 4500 yards, and a 121 passer rating, sure. But the team finished "only" 12-4, and were eliminated by Brady and the Patriots in the playoffs. Brady's best season looks similar in that he threw 50 touchdowns, 4800 yards, and had a 117 rating, but his team went undefeated on the backs of Randy Moss/Wes Welker/Laurence Maroney - slightly less of a supporting cast offensively for sure, even with Moss - and made it to the Superbowl.

You'll have to explain to me how you measure "dominance".