Subban vs Kreider offsetting penalties, has anyone seen this happen before?

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WeeBey

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And that in no way refutes anything I said. Subban gets it just like Orpik got it after he was cheap shotted by Thornton just like people, for some reason that likely has to do with being uninformed, still give Moore crap for "not fighting Bertuzzi." It is something that has been going on since before Subban was even born. It certainly is not a cross Subban must bear alone. It's the result of a lot of fans growing up with a sport that has "allowed" fighting for a century thinking that any time their player wants to fight someone else, the someone else needs to oblige. That's simply not the case, nor should it be.

Of course it happens to other players. But it doesn't seem to happen with the regularity that it does for PK. And it usually happens over something relatively minor.
 

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2:12, you can see Subban motion, then bail. It's easy to see. Very, very easy to see. The video isn't blocked off, so you could see the motion happen.

Thats interesting, because by the time Subban's gloves come into view, they're both firmly on his stick. You must have that special technology that lets you see whats off screen.
 

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Yeah I'm sure PK is real scared of Kreider and his 2 career fights.

Any time a guy who doesn't know how to fight drops the gloves I think it's a pretty big risk, even if the opponent is also unskilled at fighting. They clearly don't really know how to position their bodies, tuck their chin, roll with a shot etc, like a skilled fighter does. So it's two unskilled fighters winging punches at each other, and neither really have those solid,basic fundamentals, like a really skilled fighter does.
 

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Any time a guy who doesn't know how to fight drops the gloves I think it's a pretty big risk, even if the opponent is also unskilled at fighting. They clearly don't really know how to position their bodies, tuck their chin, roll with a shot etc, like a skilled fighter does. So it's two unskilled fighters winging punches at each other, and neither really have those solid,basic fundamentals, like a really skilled fighter does.

Right. That's not relevant though. Just because he didn't fight Kreider doesn't mean he's scared to fight him. PK has way more NHL fights (and OHL and AHL) than Kreider.
 

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Thats interesting, because by the time Subban's gloves come into view, they're both firmly on his stick. You must have that special technology that lets you see whats off screen.

You can't see him take his had off his stick and motion to a fake glove drop? Has nothing to do with technology, and everything to do with eye sight, bud. Looks pretty damn obvious to me, actually.

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You can't see him take his had off his stick and motion to a fake glove drop? Has nothing to do with technology, and everything to do with eye sight, bud. Looks pretty damn obvious to me, actually.

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It looks more to me like he was calling Kreider a *****.

Like, when you try to scare someone. You know what I mean.

You're a ****ing detective :lol:
 

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http://www.tsn.ca/c-mon-ref-p-k-s-embellishment-for-not-fighting-1.195784

"Kreider's gloves flew off and Subban skated away with a "mission accomplished" feeling that he had drawn the Ranger player into taking a stand-alone penalty. The flaw in Subban's attempt came as a result of referee Watson trailing close behind the two players as they exited the penalty box. From this close proximity Watson observed the shoulder and hand shrug from Subban and assessed an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for actions designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty (75.4 iii, v). The referee was dialed in and fully aware of the potential confrontation once Subban and Kreider hit the ice from the penalty box. Subban was not as innocent as you suggested Stephen and Joey and was penalized appropriately for his role in the second altercation."
 

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It looks more to me like he was calling Kreider a *****.

Like, when you try to scare someone. You know what I mean.

You're a ****ing detective :lol:

Calls Kreider a *****, Kreider grabs him and Subban does nothing, yeah, that's probably it. Either that, or the whole thing drips with irony.
 

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http://www.tsn.ca/c-mon-ref-p-k-s-embellishment-for-not-fighting-1.195784

"Kreider's gloves flew off and Subban skated away with a "mission accomplished" feeling that he had drawn the Ranger player into taking a stand-alone penalty. The flaw in Subban's attempt came as a result of referee Watson trailing close behind the two players as they exited the penalty box. From this close proximity Watson observed the shoulder and hand shrug from Subban and assessed an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for actions designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty (75.4 iii, v). The referee was dialed in and fully aware of the potential confrontation once Subban and Kreider hit the ice from the penalty box. Subban was not as innocent as you suggested Stephen and Joey and was penalized appropriately for his role in the second altercation."

Oh, weird... you mean he wasn't as innocent as Habs fans make him out to be and wasn't some sort of hero? Weird.

It was clear as day that Subban faked the motion to fight.
 

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Kerry Fraser on TSN

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Both players jawed at one another inside the penalty box and I saw the word "fight" mouthed by Kreider. It is reasonable to assume that the table was set for a mutually agreed upon fight once the two were released from the penalty box. There is no question that Kreider squared up to face Subban with his gloves dangling as he stepped out of the box. Subban skated toward his opponent and demonstrated a quick shoulder and arm shrug that would indicate an affirmative response to a fight invitation.

Kreider's gloves flew off and Subban skated away with a "mission accomplished" feeling that he had drawn the Ranger player into taking a stand-alone penalty. The flaw in Subban's attempt came as a result of referee Watson trailing close behind the two players as they exited the penalty box. From this close proximity Watson observed the shoulder and hand shrug from Subban and assessed an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for actions designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty (75.4 iii, v). The referee was dialed in and fully aware of the potential confrontation once Subban and Kreider hit the ice from the penalty box. Subban was not as innocent as you suggested Stephen and Joey and was penalized appropriately for his role in the second altercation.

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Upset? lol hardly

I find it completely ridiculous that these type of 'unwritten hockey rules' exist

2 mins for shaking your gloves? lol come on man

You stand corrected
 
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Nynja*

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You can't see his hands in that clip? Looks pretty obvious, keep making excuses though.

ya, on his stick as he's trying to get past Kreider, whos clearly trying to interfere him on the play since the puck is nowhere near him and he's trying to get in position as an offensive defenceman.
 

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ya, on his stick as he's trying to get past Kreider, whos clearly trying to interfere him on the play since the puck is nowhere near him and he's trying to get in position as an offensive defenceman.

Interesting, we're making progress because just before you said they weren't even on the screen.

You don't see him remove his right hand off his stick at all?
 

ThirdManIn

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Ya not often do you see a guy get a penalty for being a complete coward and refusing to fight

Really? That is a sign of cowardice? It couldn't possibly be a sign of a guy either trying to draw a penalty for his team, or simply not wanting to spend seven minutes off of the ice in one period?
 

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I'm not sure where I would get the vid to post here, but on the MSG feed, they showed another angle of the moments right out of the penalty box. It wasn't a glove shake.

The "shrug" Fraser is referring to was less of a shrug than it was a shoulder fake. He jerked his arms and shoulders in the same way you would if you were throwing down your stick and gloves. Except none of that happened.

Even though Kreider was the one goaded into it, Subban looks like a bigger fool on the play. Laughing in Kreiders face for drawing him in to giving the Habs a
PP, but in reality was being assessed a penalty himself.
 

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Really? That is a sign of cowardice? It couldn't possibly be a sign of a guy either trying to draw a penalty for his team, or simply not wanting to spend seven minutes off of the ice in one period?

Subban has done it enough that it's borderline cowardice. He has perfected the dive/turtle maneuvers and it's great to read that the officials are indeed onto him.
 
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