Slats432
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Because of the years of suckitude required to get top 5 picks.DR said:You mean like OTT has done ?
Why cant CGY and EDM at least be expected to get to OTT's level of production ?
dr
Because of the years of suckitude required to get top 5 picks.DR said:You mean like OTT has done ?
Why cant CGY and EDM at least be expected to get to OTT's level of production ?
dr
DR said:You mean like OTT has done ?
Why cant CGY and EDM at least be expected to get to OTT's level of production ?
dr
really ?slats432 said:Because of the years of suckitude required to get top 5 picks.
How long is Ottawa going to be able to hold onto all of those players, financially. They already had to trade Yashin and they have hit the wall in terms of what they can afford in payroll.DR said:You mean like OTT has done ?
Why cant CGY and EDM at least be expected to get to OTT's level of production ?
dr
DR said:really ?
Hossa, Havlat, Alfreddson, Fisher, Vermette, and Volchenkov were the results of top 5 picks ?
how come OTT was able to turn their too expensive star (Yashin) into Spezza AND Chara, yet in the same season EDM couldnt get a quarter as much for twice the player in Weight ?
DR
gerbilanium said:Nice sentiment but it's not going to happen, there will be a cap and you guys will no longer be able to trade for leading scorers at the trade deadline. Doesn't matter if it's wrong or right, YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO IT AGAIN.
I bet it just sucks realizing that although 4 teams make a lot of money 26 others are going to stop it. Sounds like the whining is coming from you realizing your buying days are over. I love it.
Alberta does know how it feels to be the leafs, we rake in the money, hear the whining from the rest of Canada, but the difference is, WE SHARE THE MONEY.
ScottyBowman said:God bless Strachan.
Since you seem keen on asking stupid rhetorical questions - how come Ottawa doesn't win the cup every year with their 'stellar' lineup? The way you are posting about Ottawa makes it sound like they are the reigning dynasty and NHL champs. Too bad such accolades are not given out for the regular season.DR said:really ?
Hossa, Havlat, Alfreddson, Fisher, Vermette, and Volchenkov were the results of top 5 picks ?
how come OTT was able to turn their too expensive star (Yashin) into Spezza AND Chara, yet in the same season EDM couldnt get a quarter as much for twice the player in Weight ?
DR
Hossa - 12th overallslats432 said:Because of the years of suckitude required to get top 5 picks.
Oh yeah, because making the playoffs six times out of the last eight seasons isn't good. Or finishing two points out of a playoff spot in the two years out of the last eight they have missed isn't good.syc said:I also think the Oilers fans and owners are far more whiney the Flames fans. Perhaps that's because its been awhile since the oils were a good team. But hey thats because of the 8 million dollar Holiks not bad managment. Right?
lmaoIf the Oilers went 36 years without a cup like the Leafs, they wouldn't have a hockey team in Edmonton. Thats a fact!
NYIsles1 said:Islander fans stayed home rather than support ownership who iced a 15m dollar product but those owners made no effort at all, that's horrible ownership. In the early 80's were the Wings owners spending significantly less than the avg team?
I think Wirtz does a poor job, not because he will not spend 60m but because he will not spend the league avg and give his team a reasonable chance. There is a difference.
My point is after all these years of expecting to add big name players and ice a high payroll team will Wings fans support a team with a payroll in the middle that cannot absorbe a contract any longer.
Thats a lot of typing to make no sence. And here I thought there were 29 other teams in the NHL.I in the Eye said:I'm torn...
One part of me wants EDM to get the exact CBA that they want - so that they can no longer hide behind the 'money excuse' that some believe explains their mediocrity... If it solves the EDM inferiority complex (so that they can feel like a more productive member of the NHL community), by all means, give it to them... I'm not an animal, and I'm all for helping victims who feel that they are unable to help themselves... Ultimately, we are all here to make a difference - and I support helping those who feel less fortunate than us...
However, Lowe would be exposed for what he is - IMHO, a mediocre GM... And can anything but a mediocre team getting mediocre results be expected from a mediocre GM? Give a mediocre GM more or = money, and he's now a mediocre GM with more or = money... He doesn't magically turn into a prince from a frog - This isn't a fairytale...
The other part of me doesn't want EDM to get the exact CBA that they want... as the cost to get it will likely mean another year+ with no hockey... IMHO, it's not necessary (nice-to-have, not need-to-have feature for the owners), and therefore, the costs to get it are > than the benefits for us fans...
IMO, EDM will be mediocre team regardless of the CBA framework and the economic environment (as long as they still have Lowe and the 'we are inferior' mentality)... The CBA itself doesn't matter nearly as much as how the GMs implement the CBA to the benefit of their respective teams... If EDM can get what they want (feel that they need) at a minimal or low cost (added to the already loss of a season), IMO, get the CBA framework that EDM believes it needs... If EDM can only get what they want (feel that they need) at a high cost (another year+ without hockey), IMO, forget it... I like and respect the EDM franchise (excluding Lowe) but IMO, it's not worth jumping off a cliff in order for EDM to feel better about themselves...
syc said:Thanks for saving the rest of Canada, without the superpower known as Alberta we wouldn't have what we have today.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
mooseOAK said:How long is Ottawa going to be able to hold onto all of those players, financially. They already had to trade Yashin and they have hit the wall in terms of what they can afford in payroll.
Quiet Robert said:I don't want to turn this into a political debate, and I'm not Albertan, but it's a fact Alberta pays massively to the equalization payments.
syc said:Thanks for saving the rest of Canada, without the superpower known as Alberta we wouldn't have what we have today.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
I also think the Oilers fans and owners are far more whiney the Flames fans. Perhaps that's because its been awhile since the oils were a good team. But hey thats because of the 8 million dollar Holiks not bad managment. Right?
If the Oilers went 36 years without a cup like the Leafs, they wouldn't have a hockey team in Edmonton. Thats a fact!
I in the Eye said:However, Lowe would be exposed for what he is - IMHO, a mediocre GM... And can anything but a mediocre team getting mediocre results be expected from a mediocre GM? Give a mediocre GM more or = money, and he's now a mediocre GM with more or = money... He doesn't magically turn into a prince from a frog - This isn't a fairytale...
Exactly.Hootchie Cootchie said:Scotty, they couldnt draft worth squat under Sather, true, and yes it still hurts - but the last few years since new management took over has seen a vast improvement in drafting. Why does that part always get ignored?
itsmagic said:What is often lost in these dicussions is the fact the Flames and the Oilers, among a few other teams, have essentially been working with a salary cap for years, self-imposed by budget constraints.
Yeah, its not even close, as much as people may not want to admit it, Alberta does prop up the rest of the country.Quiet Robert said:I don't want to turn this into a political debate, and I'm not Albertan, but it's a fact Alberta pays massively to the equalization payments. That's what he was referring to. Alberta is pretty much the only contributor to the EQ payments. Ontario's contribution is minimal in comparison. I think that's what he was referring to with the sharing reference.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/FEDPROV/eqpe.html
mackdogs said:I wish I could figure out where Strachan and some of the other award winning journalists were coming from with these articles about folding the teams that don't deserve to be in the league. He says the Alberta teams should look into using lottery money to help out. They were and as far as I know still are doing that through scratch & win tickets. He thinks that oil tycoons should step up and run the team at a horrible loss just to show that they have the cojones to do so. He expects the majority (teams unable to spew forth money to players) to be propped up to the status of the big teams or they should go away.
I just don't get it... my only reasoning is that he wants to make it easier for the Leafs to win the cup. Less teams = less competition. Do we really want to regress into a 16 team league with a 50 game sked at the expense of storied franchises? I really question this guys commitment to the game of hockey. He's just a glorified sore loser.