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Hey guys. There is a user by the name of Bleedred on the By the Numbers forum who is reviewing every goal scored throughout the year and determining if he considers the goal stoppable by the goalie. He gives his definition of a stoppable goal which you can read in his thread, but the idea is pretty obvious. Should a team reasonably expect the goalie to make that save. His goal is to see the correlation between what he considers to be stoppable goals and save percentage at the end of the year. I thought it would be an interesting exercise so I'm going to start where he left off and track Jake/Chad/Ville/Jordan/Whomever and see by the end of the year what percentage of goals scored against them were what I consider to be stoppable. Hopefully he continues doing every goalie so we can compare at the end to see who is the harsher judge
So far he has:
Jake Allen-.879 save percentage; 41 goals against, 14 stoppable(34% of his goals against were stoppable)
Chad Johnson-.872 save percentage; 6 goals against, 2 stoppable.(33% of his goals against were stoppable)
I haven't gone back and reviewed each goal just yet, but I will do that when I get home and see if I disagree on these numbers.
I really don't know what I'm hoping to accomplish with this, but I think it would be something interesting to discuss throughout the year.
So far I consider the following goals to be unstoppable:
Any clear cut breakaway. Yes you would like to see your goalie stop some of these(especially against lower line players), but if there is literally nobody back to help him out I won't fault the goalie.
Deflections near the goal mouth or radical changes of direction(like Staal's goal against Minnesota). Most difficult shot to stop, even if the goalie doesn't play it well(like how Jake was so deep in his net against Staal) I still won't fault a goalie most times. The deflection goal against Vegas that made it 2-2 I do fault the goalie. It was a low shot that got deflected slightly in a different direction and went five hole. It's not like it was going high and then got deflected down five hole. It was low the whole way and I think should have been stopped.
Side to side one timer snipes. If a guy goes bar down on a one timer from the faceoff dot I'm not going to hold that against the goalie. That's just great shooters making great shots. If they're beaten cleanly on a shot to the middle of the net I might still count it as stoppable.
Everything else is going to be a judgement call. If it's 50/50 I'm going to lean towards calling it unstoppable. I want at the end of the year to see our goalies' percentages on these types of shots and compare them with the rest of the league(hopefully Bleedred keeps it up) to see how many goals we might have expected to keep out with another goaltender.
It's not really meant to be some scientific study or anything, more of just a fun exercise that should generate some pretty intense discussions throughout the year.
EDIT TO ADD: I'm going to try to take context out of the equation entirely. A tying goal with 20 seconds left in the game counts the same as one that cuts our lead to 5-1 in the third. If it's stoppable, it's stoppable. The context of the shooter is going to be more challenging. Of course a shot by Ovi is going to be more difficult to stop than a shot by Craig Smith, but I'm going to try to just look at where the puck entered the net and the circumstances leading up to the shot to determine if it's stoppable or not.
I will also try to wait until the day after a game to review the video so my numbers won't be badly skewed by my emotions.
So far he has:
Jake Allen-.879 save percentage; 41 goals against, 14 stoppable(34% of his goals against were stoppable)
Chad Johnson-.872 save percentage; 6 goals against, 2 stoppable.(33% of his goals against were stoppable)
I haven't gone back and reviewed each goal just yet, but I will do that when I get home and see if I disagree on these numbers.
I really don't know what I'm hoping to accomplish with this, but I think it would be something interesting to discuss throughout the year.
So far I consider the following goals to be unstoppable:
Any clear cut breakaway. Yes you would like to see your goalie stop some of these(especially against lower line players), but if there is literally nobody back to help him out I won't fault the goalie.
Deflections near the goal mouth or radical changes of direction(like Staal's goal against Minnesota). Most difficult shot to stop, even if the goalie doesn't play it well(like how Jake was so deep in his net against Staal) I still won't fault a goalie most times. The deflection goal against Vegas that made it 2-2 I do fault the goalie. It was a low shot that got deflected slightly in a different direction and went five hole. It's not like it was going high and then got deflected down five hole. It was low the whole way and I think should have been stopped.
Side to side one timer snipes. If a guy goes bar down on a one timer from the faceoff dot I'm not going to hold that against the goalie. That's just great shooters making great shots. If they're beaten cleanly on a shot to the middle of the net I might still count it as stoppable.
Everything else is going to be a judgement call. If it's 50/50 I'm going to lean towards calling it unstoppable. I want at the end of the year to see our goalies' percentages on these types of shots and compare them with the rest of the league(hopefully Bleedred keeps it up) to see how many goals we might have expected to keep out with another goaltender.
It's not really meant to be some scientific study or anything, more of just a fun exercise that should generate some pretty intense discussions throughout the year.
EDIT TO ADD: I'm going to try to take context out of the equation entirely. A tying goal with 20 seconds left in the game counts the same as one that cuts our lead to 5-1 in the third. If it's stoppable, it's stoppable. The context of the shooter is going to be more challenging. Of course a shot by Ovi is going to be more difficult to stop than a shot by Craig Smith, but I'm going to try to just look at where the puck entered the net and the circumstances leading up to the shot to determine if it's stoppable or not.
I will also try to wait until the day after a game to review the video so my numbers won't be badly skewed by my emotions.
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