What? Alex Pietrangelo is easily a top five NHL defenseman.
Honest question when has a player with 1.5 years left on their contract before becoming a UFA pulled this sort of package in a trade?
No from isles. I don't think people realize how good Leddy is
Neutral fan here...
Why does St. Louis have to pay 500% value in that deal? Is Capuano the new GM of the Blues?
Wow. Sorry, I respectfully but vehemently disagree with your assessment there.It's not that bad, Blues take a huge step forward. I'd negotiate it to where they can keep Schwartz
Fabbri Tavares Tarasenko
Schwartz Stastny Yakupov
Perron Berglund Steen
Bouwmeester Shattenkirk
Leddy Parayko
Much better top 9 and top 4 absorbs loss of Pietrangelo just fine
Wow. Sorry, I respectfully but vehemently disagree with your assessment there.
Why not
Tavares
for
Schwartz
Parayko
You do realize that losing both Petro and Shattenkirk completely destroys our defense. Even with Leddy being added.Because the assumed absence of Shattenkirk (and thus ability to sign Tavares next year instead of his FA year) plus the loss of Parayko would leave the Blues without any right handed defenseman capable of 20 minutes per game. Edit: I sincerely believe JBo is over extended in his current role)
Because the assumed absence of Shattenkirk (and thus ability to sign Tavares next year instead of his FA year) plus the loss of Parayko would leave the Blues without any right handed defenseman capable of 20 minutes per game. Edit: I sincerely believe JBo is over extended in his current role)
You do realize that losing both Petro and Shattenkirk completely destroys our defense. Even with Leddy being added.
Who plays RD on our 2nd pair?
Schmaltz is a rookie, who probably shouldn't be pencilled for a 2nd pair job. Bortuzzo/Edmundson/Lindbohm aren't RD and and aren't good enough for 2nd pair duties.
I would suggest the following are better overall, assuming we are measuring their positive impact on competition, not purely their defensive or offensive capabilities, given each of their abilities and teams are not the same.
Doughty
Burns
Karlsson
Weber
Suter
Ekman-Larsson
Kieth
Letang/Hedman/Ekblad
In fact the above list is how I would personally rank them in terms of "being the best".
Given STLs contracts and prospects, Tavares would be offered 10mil/8yr next season before first day.
The room exists to do this due to Pietrangelo heading to NYI and Shattenkirk doing Shattenkirk things. Berglund leaving leaves room for Parayko bridge.
Tavares Leddy hold more value than Pie and Schwartz but the difference between the pair isn't 2 prospects and 2 first round draft picks.
No from isles. I don't think people realize how good Leddy is
I would suggest the following are better overall, assuming we are measuring their positive impact on competition, not purely their defensive or offensive capabilities, given each of their abilities and teams are not the same.
Doughty
Burns
Karlsson
Weber
Suter
Ekman-Larsson
Kieth
Letang/Hedman/Ekblad
In fact the above list is how I would personally rank them in terms of "being the best".
I think Pietrangelo becomes comparable to guys like Vlasic, Subban, Josi, etc., in terms of his impact on the competition. Top 25 no doubt, but not quite top 10.
I only believe Crosby, McDavid, and Toews (due to intangibles) are better than Tavares and that Kopitar is right there.
I didn't ask about contracts, I asked about when was the last time a player with 1.5 years until UFA got anywhere near this insane proposal via trade.
It's similar to buying a diamond. (Yes I know rigged commodity but so are NhL players due to salary cap)
The grade of the diamond greatly increases its price.
Tavares is the 4th or 5th best center in the league, in his prime, assumedly willing to sign for 8+ years at 10-10.5 AAV.
A 1 karat diamond with flaws may cost $800. A near perfect diamond of the same size could be $4000. In your hand they may look nearly identical. One is 5 x as expensive.
The Islanders will want something for their proven, upper echelon commodity. The Blues can offer that without completely destroying their franchise.
If you truly believe that, then Kevin Shattenkirk is pretty similar in value to Pietrangelo. In fact, if we use your point share argument from post #19, Shattenkirk is better than Pietrangelo...
Shattenkirk - 8.5
Pietrangelo - 7.9
So as a Blues fan I'll go ahead and give you the better defenseman... You can have Shattenkirk in a deal for Tavares and the Blues will be forced to keep their smelly old "top 25" defenseman in the form of Alex Pietrangelo.