Proposal: Stl - bos

[Dbrownss]

Last year, there were 239 centers who produced anywhere from 1 to 85 points. 14 (=5.88%) produced equal or more points than Krejci, 224 (94.12%) produced same or less than Krejci, who by the way missed 10 games (all centers with more points than Krejci played more games than him, with the exception of Seguin who played the same 72 games as Krejci).
Of those centers who played the whole season (leaving out Malkin & McDavid at 57 and 45 games), using 66 games to include at least Barkov, Krejci has the 9th best points per game. This is not middle of the road to me.

Could you please give me your definition of "middle of the road"?

Holy ****...are you trying to sell something that's already sold?

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

To Boston

Jori Lehtera
Kevin Shattenkirk

To St. Louis

David Krejci

Why Boston does this?

They get a top 4 dman that they need and get a good replacement for David Krejci.

Why St. Louis does this?

They get a #1 center to play with Vladimir Tarasenko. Vladimir Tarasenko and David Krejci would be awesome to see and I believe he would be able to push Tarasenko to the 50 goal mark.

thoughts?

bostons headed for some cap problems next year and it could cost them marchand

id probably want to get rid of hayes as part of this deal... i think letera might play for now at wing and then hope to lose him in the expansion.

boston is set with 2 defensive centers and then has spooner around for offense... letera wouldnt push any of them out

on our left side we love marchand... belesky serves a purpose... and then we got the kid vatrano deserving a chance...

so its really the right side where we could use some help up front

but even though this trade isnt perfect i do think its workable. and i think its been discussed. in my gut i believe something like this will happen as soon as st louis is convinced krecji is healthy and shattenkirk is ready to do a new deal

 

[nmbr_24]

So he's slightly better then middle of the road, Is that better?

Still almost 20million tied up in 3 centers and none of them elite.

Krejci has been elite when it counts most. Outscoring the Sedins in a Hart trophy year, Toews and Kane in a cup year. Yeah he's a little better than middle of the road for a #1 center. He is also very good defensively and he completely shut down Sidney Crosby in a playoff series when he went head to head against him while Bergeron shut down Malkin. Krejci is a good #1 center, he isn't Crosby but he will shut Crosby down if playing against him.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Krejci has been elite when it counts most. Outscoring the Sedins in a Hart trophy year, Toews and Kane in a cup year. Yeah he's a little better than middle of the road for a #1 center. He is also very good defensively and he completely shut down Sidney Crosby in a playoff series when he went head to head against him while Bergeron shut down Malkin. Krejci is a good #1 center, he isn't Crosby but he will shut Crosby down if playing against him.

i think krecji would score more outside boston... but not be as good defensively

what alot of outsiders dont realize ( but most bruin fans are painfully aware) krecji actually does go into beast mold quite often. almost every year we see a 20-25 game stretch of hockey where krecji pops in 10-15 goals... has 30-35 points

the talent/smarts are there to dominate. weve seen this at playoff time... best vrs best... and krecji has eaten the lunch of the games best players.

the reason this is painful to many bruin fans is because krejci never ever gives us this brilliance for 40-50 games... let alone for a full season

one might ague hes never had the right linemates. hes never played with a tarasenko or even a steen...

one might argue a history of nagging injuries slow him down?

bruin fans love him when hes hot... he can be a super hero
but many of us cruxify him during his slumps...

even with the slumps hes a top 30 scorer who can play shutdown defense and has led 2 teams to the cup finals. id probably rank him between 10 and 15 best center in the nhl

saying hes middle of the road might be accurate if you are only comparing him to other 6 mill centers. hes definitely not my pick over even bergeron, but i certainly rank him quite a bit ahead of anyone st louis has used since adam oates

 

[BruinLVGA]

Holy ****...are you trying to sell something that's already sold?

You called him "middle of the road". I had the courtesy to provide you with information that might change that frame of mind (facts should be the best for that).
However, maybe there was something I didn't consider & that would support your statement. In all honesty, I couldn't (and still can't) see what that could be though and therefore I kindly asked you to explain what would make someone with Krejci's performance a "middle of the road" center.

You answered that question with another question. Are you a politician?
Why don't you give a straight answer: your personal, nice definition of what is a "middle of the road" center, so that I, you, everyone else can see if it fits. Seems straight forward, no?

 

[Dbrownss]

You called him "middle of the road". I had the courtesy to provide you with information that might change that frame of mind (facts should be the best for that).
However, maybe there was something I didn't consider & that would support your statement. In all honesty, I couldn't (and still can't) see what that could be though and therefore I kindly asked you to explain what would make someone with Krejci's performance a "middle of the road" center.

You answered that question with another question. Are you a politician?
Why don't you give a straight answer: your personal, nice definition of what is a "middle of the road" center, so that I, you, everyone else can see if it fits. Seems straight forward, no?

Just outside of top 10 centers. I don't bother with advanced stats because I've learned...they can say whatever you want them to say. My point was the Blues would have 20mil tied up in 3 players without one being a true top tier guy. Krejci is a great player and I'd be happy to have him but he's getting old and has had nagging injures. So if he doesn't prove to be that 70pt guy for us.....then that 7.3m a year will be a negative in my book. That's why if we sent Lehtera back, it wouldn't be as big of a deal, but if the deal had to be Berglund and it sent Koko's rights then it's a deal I'd be comfortable with. I would just feel it shifts the Blues back into a 3 year window.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Just outside of top 10 centers. I don't bother with advanced stats because I've learned...they can say whatever you want them to say. My point was the Blues would have 20mil tied up in 3 players without one being a true top tier guy. Krejci is a great player and I'd be happy to have him but he's getting old and has had nagging injures. So if he doesn't prove to be that 70pt guy for us.....then that 7.3m a year will be a negative in my book. That's why if we sent Lehtera back, it wouldn't be as big of a deal, but if the deal had to be Berglund and it sent Koko's rights then it's a deal I'd be comfortable with. I would just feel it shifts the Blues back into a 3 year window.

i guess if i was a st louis fan id ask whats holding us back? from the outside id say a big problem has been your center ice men being dominated at playoff time.

speaking from experience... krecji doesnt get dominated at playoff time.

i think st louis centers have proven to be good enough for regular season. they seam to be guys that work hard and get decent results.

but is that what st louis needs now? is decent regular season results enough?

many years ago the islanders traded for butch goring... not because he was going to rank as one of the top 10 centers in the nhl... but because he was the type of guy they needed

pittsburgh gave up the younger john cullen for vetern ron francais because again they were thinking playoff success.

theres obviously many other examples where bubble teams trade for vetern playoff tested leaders because there is alot of value in it.

to me... st louis is one of the 5 favs to win a cup this year... most of it depends on their goalie, but their biggest hole up front is a center that can go against toews and getzlef and kopitar and thornton and at least break even..

krejcis been there... done that

i think you opinion is colored by his less than elite regular season results... as a big game player, krejcis resume is very impressive

 

[SPV]

bostons headed for some cap problems next year and it could cost them marchand

I remember reading an article a while back that said they would be in cap trouble if they signed Vesey to a bonus contract; because they would have less cap to re-sign Marchand, Spooner, and Pastranak.

If they take on Lehtera & Shattenkirk, they would butcher their cap space for next year, otherwise, I think it's overblown. I think it's more likely they move Spooner this year, or in the off-season, for a defenseman (if one of their youngsters doesn't step up and fill the void). Then one of their young center prospects could fill in the third line spot on the cheap.

I like this deal on the surface, but it would murder us cap wise next year. Better to hold our cards and see what happens.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Last year, there were 239 centers who produced anywhere from 1 to 85 points. 14 (=5.88%) produced equal or more points than Krejci, 224 (94.12%) produced same or less than Krejci, who by the way missed 10 games (all centers with more points than Krejci played more games than him, with the exception of Seguin who played the same 72 games as Krejci).
Of those centers who played the whole season (leaving out Malkin & McDavid at 57 and 45 games), using 66 games to include at least Barkov, Krejci has the 9th best points per game. This is not middle of the road to me.

Could you please give me your definition of "middle of the road"?

Yeah the Blues success rate with their group of centres.

 

[izzy]

I do this if Shattenkirk is re signed no later than 1 minute after the trade is done.

How is Lehtera defensively?

Dependable, saves Tarasenkos butt a lot off turnovers

 

[BruinLVGA]

Just outside of top 10 centers. I don't bother with advanced stats because I've learned...they can say whatever you want them to say. My point was the Blues would have 20mil tied up in 3 players without one being a true top tier guy. Krejci is a great player and I'd be happy to have him but he's getting old and has had nagging injures. So if he doesn't prove to be that 70pt guy for us.....then that 7.3m a year will be a negative in my book. That's why if we sent Lehtera back, it wouldn't be as big of a deal, but if the deal had to be Berglund and it sent Koko's rights then it's a deal I'd be comfortable with. I would just feel it shifts the Blues back into a 3 year window.

Oh ok. I can see eye to eye with you on that. However, what I think would be an absolutely important aspect for St Louis is how Krejci can actually take over the playoffs. If I was in your shoes, that would be priority #1.

 

[Dbrownss]

Oh ok. I can see eye to eye with you on that. However, what I think would be an absolutely important aspect for St Louis is how Krejci can actually take over the playoffs. If I was in your shoes, that would be priority #1.

A top line center is our priority. As of now..it's Stastny and our only future hope is Fabbri. My reservation is that if Boston Krecji doesn't translate to Stl. So, I would welcome the trade but it's still kind of putting all of our eggs in one basket. It would actually be against what Armstrong has done, he's shifted towards the 26 and under core.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

1 year of what we saw in the playoffs for Krejci? No thanks.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

1 year of what we saw in the playoffs for Krejci? No thanks.

Depends on which playoffs you're talking about. The most recent one, yeah I can see your point. If it's the two before that where he had 13 points in 12 games, then I start to question that rationale.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Depends on which playoffs you're talking about. The most recent one, yeah I can see your point. If it's the two before that where he had 13 points in 12 games, then I start to question that rationale.

The recent one is the most relevant, no?

 

[EastonBlues22]

All of this talk about Krejci seems like a ridiculous waste of time unless someone can make a convincing case that he'll be willing to waive his NMC.

Considering he just had a baby and his wife was born near Boston, I seriously doubt he's doing that any time soon.

 

[EastonBlues22]

The recent one is the most relevant, no?

He's almost 28, not 35. His complete body of work to this point is (obviously) a better predictor of what he'll do moving forward than just his last 20 games.

Guy finished 15th the year before in the Norris voting and put up 8 points in 6 playoffs games that year. Nobody is singling that out, even though the sample size is almost 3 times the size of yours, because we all realize that highs and lows happen over the course of a career.

It's the same reason that nobody else is harping on Krejci's last playoffs, which I doubt many Blues fans here would have traded Shattenkirk's last playoffs for if given the option.

 

[mileswm]

What about:

To Bos

Kevin Shattenkirk
Patrik Berglund

To Stl

David Krejci
Colin Miller

Obviously assuming that Krejci is willing to waive his NMC. Cap works out how is the value?

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

What about:

To Bos

Kevin Shattenkirk
Patrik Berglund

To Stl

David Krejci
Colin Miller

Obviously assuming that Krejci is willing to waive his NMC. Cap works out how is the value?

shattenkirk is clearly an improvement over miller...i think the caphit for krecji or a resigned shattenkirk will be almost equal.

all in all i think this is very close to value if the 2 teams do make a deal

 

[wintersej]

What about:

To Bos

Kevin Shattenkirk
Patrik Berglund

To Stl

David Krejci
Colin Miller

Obviously assuming that Krejci is willing to waive his NMC. Cap works out how is the value?

Not sure why Boston adds a prospect to do STL the favor of taking Berglund. Berglund is obviously a good player and all, but Boston doesn't need him and he is in the deal only to make STLs cap work.

As Easton said...Krejci ain't waiving anyway and, quite honestly, the Bruins brass probably values Krejci more than the fans do, as we have been spoiled by having two top 15 (or so) centers on the team.

In real life, a Shattenkirk deal with Boston either revolves around Spooner or pure futures.

 

[mileswm]

Not sure why Boston adds a prospect to do STL the favor of taking Berglund. Berglund is obviously a good player and all, but Boston doesn't need him and he is in the deal only to make STLs cap work.

As Easton said...Krejci ain't waiving anyway and, quite honestly, the Bruins brass probably values Krejci more than the fans do, as we have been spoiled by having two top 15 (or so) centers on the team.

In real life, a Shattenkirk deal with Boston either revolves around Spooner or pure futures.

I agree that Krejci probably won't waive, just proposed the trade for the sake of argument. The one way I could see Bruins management deciding to part ways with Krejci is if Spooner shows noticeable improvement and their D corps are scary bad across the first couple months of the season, both these things are not out of the question. Boston then gets the D they so desperately need and adds Berglund, leaving either him or Backes as a defensively responsible center to fill Krecji's void. Spooner steps up into a top 6 role and one of Berglund/Backes plays the wing.

From a Stl perspective they get a #1 C in his prime and a good D prospect ready for more minutes.