News: Steven Stamkos to hit free agency on July 1st

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canuckslover10

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They're projected to have 12.4M in cap space for next season with 16 players under contract. Give Stamkos 6.5M like Giroux and that's 5.9M cap space with 17 players. Personally I'm happy with Perbix but I can understand the desire to push him down the depth chart.

Also I disagree on that last statement. San Jose didn't stay loyal to Pavelski and it cost them substantially. Boston stayed loyal their stars too.
umm San Jose stayed loyal to players like burns, vlasic,traded for karlsson, traded and extended jones they were bad because they stayed loyal to their aging stars and its costing them to this day. Boston also went through a re-tooling phase where they gave up on their aging core except for a couple of players who took heavy discounts imo. Also both teams have not won a cup since Boston winning it in 2011. Although Boston is a lot more successful but id argue the influx of newer and younger talent via draft picks played a larger role than being loyal especially when they drafted Pasternak,Mcavoy,carlo,debrusk. Also they did trade away their aging star in lucic and they heavily benefited from doing so. IMO In the salary cap world loyalty kills your window.
 

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They won't and he won't waive. Trading Stamkos indicates you are giving up, it's a bad omen to send the team. They just got Vasey back and it takes time to get back into his elite style of play. Tampa will make the playoffs again and probably be buyers too
They are 1 point out of the wild card. We aren't talking Edmonton. You also have a goalie that can win multiple playoff series on his back.

Circle back in February before you even mention Stamkos's name.
 

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umm San Jose stayed loyal to players like burns, vlasic,traded for karlsson, traded and extended jones they were bad because they stayed loyal to their aging stars and its costing them to this day. Boston also went through a re-tooling phase where they gave up on their aging core except for a couple of players who took heavy discounts imo. Also both teams have not won a cup since Boston winning it in 2011. Although Boston is a lot more successful but id argue the influx of newer and younger talent via draft picks played a larger role than being loyal especially when they drafted Pasternak,Mcavoy,carlo,debrusk. Also they did trade away their aging star in lucic and they heavily benefited from doing so. IMO In the salary cap world loyalty kills your window.
Tampa did the exact same thing as Boston no? They let their other aging players in Killorn, Palat, etc walk. Stamkos is going to be a Hall of Famer, don't group him in with aging middle 6 players like the aforementioned, Krug's, and Backes'
 

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Tampa did the exact same thing as Boston no? They let their other aging players in Killorn, Palat, etc walk. Stamkos is going to be a Hall of Famer, don't group him in with aging middle 6 players like the aforementioned, Krug's, and Backes'
Tampa traded those player because of the cap, Boston traded the players because they realized it wouldn't work anymore and needed a re-tool, trading Stamkos will be beneficial because I doubt he signs a 2 year deal and most likely will ask for 8+ million, which wouldn't be the best because he is most likely going to decline in production. Tampa knows this too or else they probably would have signed him by now or atleast attempted to start a conversation.
 

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Tampa traded those player because of the cap, Boston traded the players because they realized it wouldn't work anymore and needed a re-tool, trading Stamkos will be beneficial because I doubt he signs a 2 year deal and most likely will ask for 8+ million, which wouldn't be the best because he is most likely going to decline in production. Tampa knows this too or else they probably would have signed him by now or atleast attempted to start a conversation.
Wrong and wrong. Tampa didn't trade either of Palat or Killorn. And Boston didn't trade Krug either. They all walked as the team prioritized their star players over paying their depth players.

Stamkos is turning 34 in a few months. None of Pavelski, Giroux, or Kane got more than 7M on their age 34+ contract. And he would absolutely take a discount to stay.
 
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Wrong and wrong. Tampa didn't trade either of Palat or Killorn. And Boston didn't trade Krug either. They all walked as the team prioritized their star players over paying their depth players.

Stamkos is turning 34 in a few months. None of Pavelski, Giroux, or Kane got more than 7M on their age 34+ contract. And he would absolutely take a discount to stay.
Tampa had a strong chance of winning the Cup so trading Palat and killorn would have made no sense and eventually it paid off. Boston could let Krug go since they had Mcavoy which ended up helping them in the long run. Besides Pavelski none of those players have had meaningful succes in the playoffs at 34+. So unless the term and discount is significant I don't think it's worth it for the Lightning objectively speaking. Also Stamkos will most likely get a strong offer in free agency, and they would be better off trading him than letting him walk at this stage of the lightning window.
 
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Tampa had a strong chance of chance of winning the Cup so trading Palat and killorn would have made no sense and eventually it paid off. Boston could let Krug go since they had Mcovoy which ended up helping them in the long run. Besides Pavelski none of those players have had meaningful succes in the playoffs at 34+. So unless the term and discount is significant I don't think it's worth it for the Lightning objectively speaking. Also Stamkos will most likely get a strong offer in free agency, and they would be better off trading him than letting him walk at this stage of the lightning window.

That only makes sense if they’re out of the playoff hunt - otherwise they might as well keep Stamkos for one last run even if they know they can’t re-sign him. He’s still a big part of the team and a high-level contributor.
 
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Stamkos will be exactly like the Kane trade to the Rangers last year. He controls everything. If he wants to move on, Tampa is going to have to deal solely with the team of his choice, or get nothing. It’s just the way it is, moving players with total control….

Exactly why Friedman said, “watch out for Detroit.”

Very much like Kane, Stamkos will be looking for the team he wants to (finish his career with) next summer, and if that team is in the hunt this year, may as well go there now, and test what it’s gonna be like.

We can’t forget the obvious connections as well. There was also some speculation the Kane thing might not happen, because of what likely may happen with Stamkos. So it’s smart to assume, the Kane signing has no bearing on their interest in Stamkos.

For the younger crowd who may not know…. Detroit probably has the greatest reputation for the way they treat veteran players. Everything is first class. From their plane, to how they get treated on the road, to doctors, etc, etc. They’ve just not been good enough in recent years, to be the destination they always had been. With what they have, and with what’s coming, that’s obviously changing. Players are treated like gods there, without all the outside noise, and the team always seems to find a place for players, after their playing days. It’s also always been a great fit, being so close to home for so many GTA players, without having to deal with the Toronto media..

So it’s probably time again, for people to accept Detroit is going to be “in on” a lot of high end free agents, and players who have a say in where they go play.
 

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Stamkos is old now he is about to hit the wall and start his decline. Tampa should offer him a year by year contract from now on. just to make sure they dont offer a nmc and a 5 year 10mil per anchor contract
 

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Stamkos will be exactly like the Kane trade to the Rangers last year. He controls everything. If he wants to move on, Tampa is going to have to deal solely with the team of his choice, or get nothing. It’s just the way it is, moving players with total control….

The difference is Chicago had no chance of making the playoffs last year while the Lightning are still very much in the playoff hunt. So unless they are clearly out of contention by the deadline they’ll almost certainly (barring a return they can’t pass up) keep Stamkos and let him walk if he chooses to do so.
 

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Stamkos is old now he is about to hit the wall and start his decline. Tampa should offer him a year by year contract from now on. just to make sure they dont offer a nmc and a 5 year 10mil per anchor contract
I would rather Stamkos then Kane, don't underestimate Stamkos, he still has some miles left on him, one of the few over thirty players I would take a shot at.
 

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Why in Hades' sphincter would anyone assume that?
Let's assume the lightning say they won't re-sign him then this will give him an opportunity to get traded to a team that he prefers and can get himself used to the city, and essentially give himself a headstart.
 

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The only reason they trade Stamkos is if Stamkos demands it and he will control to where as well.
 

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Getting something for him now in a season that doesn't look the most promising isn't the worst idea. Especially after years of contending and maybe being able to regain some draft choices for the ones they gave up to get where they are now. Win a few cups and have a great team for years. Stamkos is still a valuable player in Tampa so he will come with a cost and if they do trade him I think they get something good in return. They really are just going to trade him then get a haul then he re-signs with tampa in the offseason again for cheap! Winning!
 

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Stamkos will be exactly like the Kane trade to the Rangers last year. He controls everything. If he wants to move on, Tampa is going to have to deal solely with the team of his choice, or get nothing. It’s just the way it is, moving players with total control….

Exactly why Friedman said, “watch out for Detroit.”

Very much like Kane, Stamkos will be looking for the team he wants to (finish his career with) next summer, and if that team is in the hunt this year, may as well go there now, and test what it’s gonna be like.

We can’t forget the obvious connections as well. There was also some speculation the Kane thing might not happen, because of what likely may happen with Stamkos. So it’s smart to assume, the Kane signing has no bearing on their interest in Stamkos.

For the younger crowd who may not know…. Detroit probably has the greatest reputation for the way they treat veteran players. Everything is first class. From their plane, to how they get treated on the road, to doctors, etc, etc. They’ve just not been good enough in recent years, to be the destination they always had been. With what they have, and with what’s coming, that’s obviously changing. Players are treated like gods there, without all the outside noise, and the team always seems to find a place for players, after their playing days. It’s also always been a great fit, being so close to home for so many GTA players, without having to deal with the Toronto media..

So it’s probably time again, for people to accept Detroit is going to be “in on” a lot of high end free agents, and players who have a say in where they go play.
Also Stamkos being a proud Macedonian and Detroit having Macedonian ownership is hugely underrated. Most ethnic Macedonian hockey guys would love to play for that organization. If Tampa and the warm weather are not an option Detroit is easily a frontrunner.
 

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I know he's putting up points on the stat sheet but he just looks completely irrelevant when I watch their games. It is a much higher scoring era, so his numbers look decent but he just doesn't impress. Like he's not a bad player or anything, but he's just not good if that makes sense.

Kind of like Tavares for us. Like you see his numbers and go wow, he's producing. Then you watch the game and he just looks like an average guy out there, but somehow is ppg.
 

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I’m 99% sure Tampa is trying to win another cup. Zero chance they move him if that’s their goal.
 
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