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Steve Moore reaches settlement with Todd Bertuzzi

Hm. I don't agree with the judge's assessment and maybe Bert's lawyer should have made a highlight reel of every unexpected punch made through the NHL and Juniors.

Basically, I should be a lawyer. :naughty:

Remember - Bertuzzi pled guilty to his criminal charge. He agreed that his actions went beyond what could be expected in a hockey game.
 
50% to lawyers and 25 percent to taxes? He did ok I guess.

50% to lawyers would be exceptionally high. Most contingency fee agreements are more in the range of 30%.

Also, under Canadian law, I don't think you pay income tax on a settlement as it is not employment income, but I could stand to be corrected on that.
 
50% to lawyers would be exceptionally high. Most contingency fee agreements are more in the range of 30%.

Also, under Canadian law, I don't think you pay income tax on a settlement as it is not employment income, but I could stand to be corrected on that.

I believe it depends upon how the settlement is structured. My understanding is the lost wage component may be taxable, while the damage component is not. Likely will need to have some type of judgment on accepting the breakdowns from the CRA in this case.
 
This post goes all the way around in a circle and says nothing at all. :help:

So something goes from being beyond the reasonable limits of the game into the realm of something which should reasonably be expected to happen just because it happens more than once? Is that what you're saying? Someone should reasonably expect to be attacked because other people have been attacked before?

I can drag out a whole list of plays that were incredibly dirty and beyond the reasonable limits of the game. Is there a special number of occurrences at which dirty actions taken on the ice suddenly become just another thing for which players sign up?
 
haha yeah ok

this is hockey, not tiddlywinks

And if Bertuzzi had checked Moore into the boards there would not have been this issue. Bertuzzi went outside the parameters of the game by jumping on the back of Moore. It appears they realized that it was outside the parameters and, though both sides are at risk when a suit goes to court, the likelihood of Moore winning was very high.
 
And if Bertuzzi had checked Moore into the boards there would not have been this issue. Bertuzzi went outside the parameters of the game by jumping on the back of Moore. It appears they realized that it was outside the parameters and, though both sides are at risk when a suit goes to court, the likelihood of Moore winning was very high.

The exaggeration of the events is getting ridiculous. Bertuzzi did NOT jump on the back of anyone. They're on ice skates, Moore went limp the second Bertuzzi connected with the side of the head blow. The momentum of the hit and Moore going limp causes Bertuzzi to fall on him, there's no forceful push or jumping motion to flatten Moore face first. It was a matter of momentum and lost balance.

None of this justifies the events that occurred but you can tell when people institute a bias and exaggerate an action to bolster their claim.

Just stop.
 
The exaggeration of the events is getting ridiculous. Bertuzzi did NOT jump on the back of anyone. They're on ice skates, Moore went limp the second Bertuzzi connected with the side of the head blow. The momentum of the hit and Moore going limp causes Bertuzzi to fall on him, there's no forceful push or jumping motion to flatten Moore face first. It was a matter of momentum and lost balance.

None of this justifies the events that occurred but you can tell when people institute a bias and exaggerate an action to bolster their claim.

Just stop.

Bertuzzi was charged criminally.

He shouldn't have used the word "jumping", but everything else in that post was accurate.
 
...Someone should reasonably expect to be attacked because other people have been attacked before? ... I can drag out a whole list of plays that were incredibly dirty and beyond the reasonable limits of the game. Is there a special number of occurrences at which dirty actions taken on the ice suddenly become just another thing for which players sign up?

Ya, thats pretty much the old Code TMI. You step outta line, pay the price, retaliation, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Sometimes immediate & swift, other times maybe justice served a game later, a month or even a season hence. If slashed, sucker~punched, hit from behind, cross~checked or whatever the old Gordie Howe "take the guys number, later" if being watched by a Ref. Other times of course "eff the penalties, yer goin down right now Mommasucka". Here of course the motive for the attack being an earlier perceived "Dirty Hit" by Moore on Naslund, disputed or denied that Crawford ordered the retribution but in such cases a Nod is as Good As a Wink yes? I dont think Beruzzi "meant" to end Moores career, no way, he just wanted to beat him up some. Obviously beyond tragic consequences for Steve Moore & for Bertuzzi. Hasnt been the same player since.

And yes, whole culture of it, absolutely wrong, should never have been allowed to seep into the game but... when you have the speed of the game, clubs in your hands, full contact, the game for decades marketed on its potential for violent outbreaks, you know what is going to happen. Tex Rickard of the Rangers in the 20's used to hire off~duty ambulances & drivers to circle MSG at full speed with sirens wailing to draw a crowd. In another case of "orders from the bench", a hit put on whomever, Legendary Coach, GM & Innovator in Boston Art Ross supposedly ordered Psych Job Billy Coutu off the bench in a Stanley Cup game to wreak havoc on not just another player, but so to the Referee with whom Ross had "issues" in terms of how he was calling the game. Billy there decking the Referee, then body slamming a Linesman who came to his fellow officials rescue. Premeditated. Coutu was Banned for Life. Art Ross never prosecuted nor made to pay. Member of the HHOF.

Yes.... and highly amusing really, at least some of it... Billy Coutu had been traded to Boston from Montreal (Habs) where he'd developed a serious hatred for Eddie Shore of the Bruins. Now he's Eddies team mate. First practice, within seconds, runs Shore into the boards, somehow managing to severe Eddies left ear from his head.... so Edward there skates off, blood everywhere, changes into his street clothes, puts his ear in his pocket & goes looking for a clinic or a Doctor to sew it back on.... finally finds some quack willing after being refused elsewhere as being impossible and so without the aide of anesthetic while holding a vanity mirror proceeds to instruct a Seamstress exactly how to go about reattaching his severed member..... ha?...... so its stuff like that.... totally Macho stories of indestructability, invincibility, of losing teeth & bodyparts, of sacrifice... merely a flesh wound..... upon which much of this culture is based. Play through the pain, and ya, an eye for an eye.... nothing new about it.... John Ferguson supposedly "ordering" up Bobby Clarkes hit on Kharlamov in 72 & subsequently denied by Clarke... lists endless.
 
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Suffering post-concussion syndrome, i.e. memory loss.

I wasnt aware that he was suffering actual memory loss, thats pretty scary, but that he couldnt actually even workout much, suffering from sleeplessness, irritability, couldnt focus on anything for long, severe, debilitating headaches, trouble with his eyesight & that that continues to this day. Not at all pleasant. Would seriously inhibit ones ability to work, make a living.
 
Heard a clip on Team 1040 Vancouver saying that Bertuzzi's camp thinks this might be a ploy by Moore's side to prevent Bertuzzi from signing a free agent deal in time for camp.
 
I wasnt aware that he was suffering actual memory loss, thats pretty scary, but that he couldnt actually even workout much, suffering from sleeplessness, irritability, couldnt focus on anything for long, severe, debilitating headaches, trouble with his eyesight & that that continues to this day. Not at all pleasant. Would seriously inhibit ones ability to work, make a living.

Amazing to think he's had the mental fortitude to be able to go through a grueling 10 year trial while battling all of that.
 
I was initially surprised by a settlement given Moore's attitude has mostly been "it's not about the money".

It'll be interesting if this is a ploy, because whoa boy are there some powerful people involved in this.
 
Heard a clip on Team 1040 Vancouver saying that Bertuzzi's camp thinks this might be a ploy by Moore's side to prevent Bertuzzi from signing a free agent deal in time for camp.

Because that's prevented Bertuzzi from getting contracts for the last decade.:rolleyes:
 
He took a swing, Moore fell, and Bertuzzi tripped on top of him.... Anything else is needless hyperbole.

Ya pretty much, then a pile~on.... And the thing is this. If even following The Code a Super Heavyweight like Bertuzzi had no business going after a Middle Weight like Moore. Thats against The Code. Moore had already fought earlier, guy closer to his Class in Matt Cooke & faired well. Had he gotten a Black Eye or whatever then that wouldve likely been the end of it but no..... all stemming of course from an elbow on Naslund games earlier, who on a Scoring frenzy that season gets taken to the hospital with a concussion & misses 3 games. No penalty on the play to Steve Moore.

So Vancouver was getting hammered, Moore scoring as well, final score 9-2. Just moments before Todd Bertuzzi mugged Moore and from behind, he'd been challenged to fight by one the Avalanche's Super Heavy Weights he figured Bertuzzi was on a Mission & instead doesnt respond or even speak, trailing after Steve Moore. So thats 2 strikes against Todd Bertuzzi. Refuses to fight a guy in the same Super Weight Class, then hunts down & goes after a Middle Weight who he had (according to The Code) no business going after in the first place. Super~Heavy Weights vs Super Heavy~Weights is fine, or sometimes a Super~Heavy Weight vs a Heavy~Weight, but you dont go after Middle or Light Weights if your a Super~Heavy Weight. And if your getting cremated like that, 9-2 & want to send a message, then Bertuzzi owed to his team & to himself to fight another Super~Heavy Weight.

Thats just the way it is or was with The Code. Back in the day for example, Supermouth Theo Fleury, all of 5'6" & maybe 170lbs in lining up for a face~off against the 6' 3" 225lb Bob Probert one time, and he's serious, leans into him with "lets go, right now, you & me". Fortunately for Theo Fleury Bob Probert had a sense of humor & lived by The Code, laughingly saying "ya, you probably would too you crazy little ****er". Bertuzzi not once in his mugging of Moore but twice in moments earlier not answering the Bell against his Class broke The Code twice. And its a damn shame. Ended one career, stunted another, though in the latter case hard to feel sympathy as he went on to make millions upon millions and with one of the greatest & most storied franchises in the league.
 
I was initially surprised by a settlement given Moore's attitude has mostly been "it's not about the money".

It'll be interesting if this is a ploy, because whoa boy are there some powerful people involved in this.

But a lawsuit is, in the end, only ever "about the money".

Here's just some informed speculation. Most jurisdiction have a system of formal offers to settle - the defendant formally offers the plaintiff X dollars. If the plaintiff wins at trial, but is awarded less than X dollars, suddenly it is the plaintiff who is responsible for all of the defendant's legal fees. And for a case that's gone on for 10 years, those would be enormous.

No matter how badly Moore might want to go to trial, if Bertuzzi and the Canucks offer enough money he'd practically be forced to settle.
 
I wasnt aware that he was suffering actual memory loss, thats pretty scary, but that he couldnt actually even workout much, suffering from sleeplessness, irritability, couldnt focus on anything for long, severe, debilitating headaches, trouble with his eyesight & that that continues to this day. Not at all pleasant. Would seriously inhibit ones ability to work, make a living.

This article, Jan 2013, talks about what the Moore camp was saying at that time:

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2268057-steve-moore-s-life-after-bertuzzi-a-secret-until-now/

The last bit seems to point to the case they would us for the post-NHL/Harvard grad earning potential:

The documents cite Kevin Murphy, a psychologist who examined Moore.

Murphy concludes Moore had “highly superior cognitive abilities†before his injury, but since Bertuzzi’s attack “does not exhibit the ability to plan, make decisions, set priorities, and to multi-task and is not capable of performing adequately in a wide range of managerial, executive, and professional work.

“Moore’s current job prospects are restricted to work that is more routine, less autonomous, less opportune for advancement, and significantly less remunerative than his former prospects.â€

A company called HR Squared consultants was hired by Moore’s lawyer to provide an expert opinion of Mr. Moore’s post-hockey lost income.

The company concluded Moore before his injuries had the chance to work as an investment banker, portfolio manager, high-net-worth adviser, salesperson or perhaps a research analyst. But his “shortcomings†following his injury “would make it difficult for him to perform the job successfully.

“In sum: While it is possible that Steve Moore could obtain employment as a hedge fund marketer, there is a very low probability that he would have been able to keep the job,†the court filings say.
 
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^^^ Boy, rather devastating Section. Yes indeed. Beyond frustrating for the individual, youd feel sort of victimized over & over & over again in just trying to accomplish things you just took for granted & unable to, unable to really focus, maximize ones potential, lost. To further compound matters, I seem to reacll reading that the NHLPA & or his former team mates & so on, that he was just sort of cast adrift. No real support structure. Abandoned. Trevor Linden when head of the NHLPA calling him a "marginal player" which is/was irrelevant. Joe Sakic some years after vacationing it up with Bertuzzi. Treated like a leper, a pariah of sorts. Pretty brutal & damning for a league & sport that claims to look out for its own.... which of course has never really been the case. Fiction. Not always and there have been & are some truly wonderful stories, examples of players helping players & so on. Bobby Orr & Derek Sanderson etc. But here in this case, not so much.
 
statement released by the NHL and the Canucks (separately) After the Mark Moore quote

"The Canucks released a statement later on Wednesday afternoon, confirming a settlement is done. It reads as follows:

"Canucks Sports & Entertainment confirms that a mutually agreeable and confidential settlement of the action commenced by Steve Moore against Todd Bertuzzi and the Vancouver Canucks has been reached. The settlement is a result of mediation sessions with former Ontario Chief Justice Warren Winkler. No further details will be disclosed and the Canucks respectfully decline requests for comment."

The NHL has already released a statement saying league officials are pleased to hear the case is allegedly completed - but the league isn't party to the case."
 

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