Speculation: Stefan Rosner: Leafs interested in Varlamov

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The reason this is speculation and not a rumor is because I don't know how credible Setfan Rosner is.

But Setfan Rosner of NYI hockey now is reporting that the Leafs have in fact added Varlamov to their short list of goalies and are in contact with the NYI regarding Varlamov

Again I don't know how credible Rosner is but it makes total sense the Leafs need a goalie and Varlamov has a year left on his deal which means he's not a rental, unlike Fluery.

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[Makaveli]

I thought Varly did not want to go to any Canadian team?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I thought Varly did not want to go to any Canadian team?

Only team that we know he won't waive for is Edmonton

 

[seafoam]

Not sure how credible that guy is, but it makes sense that TOR would at least inquire about him.

He's a good goalie, he's paid reasonably for his performance (not sure if his contract would fit with TOR but that's a different story).

 

[Nylanderthal]

What would islanders want as far as futures go to swap roster pieces of Mrazek + Dermott/Holl for
Varly + mayfield + clutterbuck?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Not sure how credible that guy is, but it makes sense that TOR would at least inquire about him.

He's a good goalie, he's paid reasonably for his performance (not sure if his contract would fit with TOR but that's a different story).

It would mean Campbell isn't back and that's fine

 

[boredmale]

What would islanders want as far as futures go to swap roster pieces of Mrazek + Dermott/Holl for
Varly + mayfield + clutterbuck?

The main purpose of trading Varly is to open some capspace. While Mrazek is a downgrade in terms of caphit, I think the Islanders can do both better and cheaper on the UFA market. If Leafs want to dump Mrazek a third team probably would be needed. In the case of Mayfield, while I am not saying Islander won't trade him, it will take a huge package to acquire him since his contract is ideal even if he is a UFA come 2023

 

[miscs75]

I can’t see this happening unless the Leafs move out contracts to a 3rd team. Mrazek, Dermott and Holl all have too much term for the Islanders to go anywhere near when it comes to taking a contract back in return for cap purposes.

 

[Gurglesons]

Varlamov and Mayfield for a cap dump like Dermott and actual value makes sense.

 

[malcb33]

What would islanders want as far as futures go to swap roster pieces of Mrazek + Dermott/Holl for
Varly + mayfield + clutterbuck?

I'm guessing the Leafs would be adding their 1st or top prospects if that's the pieces they want. Seems like a great fit considering the holes the Leafs have right now.

 

[Jester9881]

The Islanders have no reason to trade either, especially Scott Mayfield. Knowing this, immediately forget about the Islanders retaining salary, or taking back a contract unless it somehow upgrades the Islanders or it also includes a prospect/pick heavy package. Players like Dermott and/or Mrazek do neither.

 

[seanlinden]

I can’t see this happening unless the Leafs move out contracts to a 3rd team. Mrazek, Dermott and Holl all have too much term for the Islanders to go anywhere near when it comes to taking a contract back in return for cap purposes.

You want to argue that taking back Mrazek at $3.8m x 2 while sending out Varlamov at $5m x1 "doesn't do enough" from a cap standpoint...I get that; and there may be some credibility behind that if the Isles think they're some tweaks away from being contenders.

But when when you then try to apply that same that logic onto a pair of NHL defencemen making $1.5m and $2m for 1 year; you really lose all credibility / reek of homerism.

Reality is, if trading Mayfield, the Isles would probably love to get back Justin Holl given that he's a marginal downgrade for another $500k, and you're unlikely to get a defenceman like him for $2m in UFA. If trading anyone, they'd probably be more than happy to get Travis Dermott back, who would probably be their 2nd best LHD.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Wait isn't Scott Mayfield really good? Leafs actually going in would be cool.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Toronto needs to make this deal. I don’t care how optimistic you are about the Leafs goalies turning it around, playing a Florida-based team in the first round is gonna be rough with that goaltending tandem.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Toronto needs to make this deal. I don’t care how optimistic you are about the Leafs goalies turning it around, playing a Florida-based team in the first round is gonna be rough with that goaltending tandem.

I agree. The team is good, competition is always there and we have to persevere. We may lack picks but no shortage of prospects and young players. f*** em up.

 

[Mal Reynolds]

As an outsider, I don't really think Mayfield is available. His sweetheart deal is just too, well, sweet for Lou & Co to move. I suspect the Isles brass view this year as a misstep and will probably tinker & reload for another run rather than blow things up. Maybe a massive overpayment (think Blake Coleman deal) but even then I don't know.

Varly? Maybe.... but it sure seems like they value having 2 competent goalies. Not sure there's a match here unless a third party gets involved to take on Mrazek, or perhaps their stupendous goalie gurus feel they can rehabilitate Mrazek (he's a talented albeit wildly inconsistent guy imo)

Could see Clutterbuck being moved ~ very experienced, useful role player ~ then circling back to re-sign in Long Island in the summer

 

[Deadly Dogma]

I can see something around Varly+Mayfield
Varly 50% retained+Mayfield for 2022 1st+2022 2nd+Niemela+Mrazek

 

[Mal Reynolds]

I can see something around Varly+Mayfield
Varly 50% retained+Mayfield for 2022 1st+2022 2nd+Niemela+Mrazek

Not terrible but I think retaining 50% for another year on Varly's contract kills it

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

I can see something around Varly+Mayfield
Varly 50% retained+Mayfield for 2022 1st+2022 2nd+Niemela+Mrazek

Varly 50% retained
Mayfield

for

Liljegren
First round pick
Second round pick
Mrazek

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Varly 50% retained
Mayfield

for

Liljegren
First round pick
Second round pick
Mrazek

the issue is the time we have invested in Lilj. We really went slow and steady with this guy and trading him now just as it looks like all the work is paying off sucks.
Any other prospects you like?

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

the issue is the time we have invested in Lilj. We really went slow and steady with this guy and trading him now just as it looks like all the work is paying off sucks.

Yeah you invested time into him. And in my proposal, you'd be getting a return for him (and other futures) by getting a goalie your team desperately needs for its playoff run, and a battle-tested 6'4 defenseman who is making peanuts this season and next season. NYI would also be taking an anchor of a contract for you.

It takes value to get value back.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Yeah you invested time into him. And in my proposal, you'd be getting a return for him (and other futures) by getting a goalie your team desperately needs for its playoff run, and a battle-tested 6'4 defenseman who is making peanuts this season and next season. NYI would also be taking an anchor of a contract for you.

It takes value to get value back.

I don't mind offering value, I just mind Lilj going.
what about Knies, Niemela, Robertson?

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

I don't mind offering value, I just mind Lilj going.
what about Knies, Niemela, Robertson?

I mean I wouldn't trade Mayfield this year for anything less than a first+ or an equivalent prospect considering the market, his playoff pedigree, and his contract status.

Considering Varly + your cap dump is equal value for the Toronto first round pick and second round pick, you're effectively asking if those prospects are worth a first round pick.

And in my opinion, they're not. They're more like "second piece of the trade" type prospects.

The only way I can see Mayfield going is if a prospect like Lili, who has equivalent first round pick value, is coming back.

If you don't want to give him up, you should probably focus on just Varlamov.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

I mean I wouldn't trade Mayfield this year for anything less than a first+ or an equivalent prospect considering the market, his playoff pedigree, and his contract status.

Considering Varly + your cap dump is equal value for the Toronto first round pick and second round pick, you're effectively asking if those prospects are worth a first round pick.

And in my opinion, they're not. They're more like "second piece of the trade" type prospects.

The only way I can see Mayfield going is if a prospect like Lili, who has equivalent first round pick value, is coming back.

If you don't want to give him up, you should probably focus on just Varlamov.

Knies, Niemela and Robertson are all ranked in the top 30 prospects I believe.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Knies, Niemela and Robertson are all ranked in the top 30 prospects I believe.

Then you should definitely want to keep them! NYI will take one not-in-the-top-30 Lili for Mayfield pls and thx