Stastny most points in the 80s after Gretzky

[MadLuke]

Always wondered legacy wise how good of a timing did Stastny had to have is best 10 season match a decade perfectly in that regard, did others players had the Would have had the most points during a stretch of 10 season would it not be of Gretzky that goes under the radars.

One is Adam Oates, from the 89-90 season to 98-99 Adam Oates has the second most points in the nhl after Gretzky, shift that performance from a season and maybe some narrative get constructed around that trivia for him.

In the history of the league, top 3 most points by windows of 10 year's, scored the Top 2 by their percentage of points of the third place.

Start	End	1st place	Points	% of third	2sd place	Points2	% of third3	3rd place	Points
1917	1926	Cy Denneny	330	146.7%	Babe Dye	251	111.6%	Reg Noble	225
1918	1927	Cy Denneny	287	134.7%	Babe Dye	251	117.8%	Frank Nighbor	213
1919	1928	Cy Denneny	266	135.0%	Babe Dye	252	127.9%	Reg Noble	197
1920	1929	Cy Denneny	244	102.1%	Howie Morenz	244	102.1%	Babe Dye	239
1921	1930	Howie Morenz	295	134.1%	Aurel Joliat	253	115.0%	Nels Stewart	220
1922	1931	Howie Morenz	344	136.0%	Aurel Joliat	292	115.4%	Nels Stewart	253
1923	1932	Howie Morenz	380	131.5%	Aurel Joliat	307	106.2%	Nels Stewart	289
1924	1933	Howie Morenz	385	119.6%	Nels Stewart	328	101.9%	Aurel Joliat	322
1925	1934	Howie Morenz	380	108.6%	Nels Stewart	367	104.9%	Frank Boucher	350
1926	1935	Frank Boucher	379	105.0%	Howie Morenz	375	103.9%	Bill Cook	361
1927	1936	Frank Boucher	371	102.2%	Nels Stewart	368	101.4%	Howie Morenz	363
1928	1937	Nels Stewart	370	111.8%	Frank Boucher	337	101.8%	Marty Barry	331
1929	1938	Nels Stewart	376	107.1%	Marty Barry	372	106.0%	Busher Jackson	351
1930	1939	Marty Barry	353	102.3%	Busher Jackson	353	102.3%	Charlie Conacher	345
1931	1940	Busher Jackson	348	108.1%	Charlie Conacher	324	100.6%	Marty Barry	322
1932	1941	Syd Howe	328	106.8%	Sweeney Schriner	314	102.3%	Busher Jackson	307
1933	1942	Syd Howe	359	102.6%	Bill Cowley	351	100.3%	Sweeney Schriner	350
1934	1943	Bill Cowley	422	114.4%	Syd Howe	399	108.1%	Lorne Carr	369
1935	1944	Bill Cowley	475	117.3%	Toe Blake	405	100.0%	Syd Howe	405
1936	1945	Bill Cowley	478	123.8%	Toe Blake	452	117.1%	Syd Howe	386
1937	1946	Bill Cowley	482	121.4%	Toe Blake	480	120.9%	Clint Smith	397
1938	1947	Toe Blake	471	125.6%	Bill Cowley	443	118.1%	Doug Bentley	375
1939	1948	Doug Bentley	441	110.0%	Toe Blake	424	105.7%	Bill Cowley	401
1940	1949	Doug Bentley	475	114.7%	Elmer Lach	447	108.0%	Maurice Richard	414
1941	1950	Maurice Richard	480	101.9%	Doug Bentley	479	101.7%	Elmer Lach	471
1942	1951	Elmer Lach	535	116.8%	Maurice Richard	524	114.4%	Doug Bentley	458
1943	1952	Maurice Richard	574	123.4%	Elmer Lach	518	111.4%	Ted Lindsay	465
1944	1953	Maurice Richard	587	113.1%	Ted Lindsay	527	101.5%	Gordie Howe	519
1945	1954	Maurice Richard	588	108.5%	Gordie Howe	581	107.2%	Ted Lindsay	542
1946	1955	Gordie Howe	660	114.8%	Maurice Richard	610	106.1%	Ted Lindsay	575
1947	1956	Gordie Howe	727	121.0%	Ted Lindsay	618	102.8%	Maurice Richard	601
1948	1957	Gordie Howe	760	130.6%	Ted Lindsay	605	104.0%	Maurice Richard	582
1949	1958	Gordie Howe	801	137.6%	Ted Lindsay	609	104.6%	Maurice Richard	582
1950	1959	Gordie Howe	806	146.0%	Ted Lindsay	557	100.9%	Maurice Richard	552
1951	1960	Gordie Howe	792	132.4%	Bernie Geoffrion	606	101.3%	Jean Beliveau	598
1952	1961	Gordie Howe	783	128.2%	Jean Beliveau	639	104.6%	Bernie Geoffrion	611
1953	1962	Gordie Howe	774	115.7%	Jean Beliveau	701	104.8%	Andy Bathgate	669
1954	1963	Gordie Howe	766	103.2%	Jean Beliveau	745	100.4%	Andy Bathgate	742
1955	1964	Gordie Howe	780	109.1%	Andy Bathgate	747	104.5%	Jean Beliveau	715
1956	1965	Gordie Howe	776	110.2%	Andy Bathgate	728	103.4%	Jean Beliveau	704
1957	1966	Gordie Howe	752	110.3%	Bobby Hull	715	104.8%	Andy Bathgate	682
1958	1967	Gordie Howe	757	112.8%	Bobby Hull	743	110.7%	Stan Mikita	671
1959	1968	Bobby Hull	800	104.3%	Gordie Howe	782	102.0%	Stan Mikita	767
1960	1969	Stan Mikita	827	106.0%	Bobby Hull	786	100.8%	Gordie Howe	780
1961	1970	Stan Mikita	846	111.3%	Bobby Hull	826	108.7%	Gordie Howe	760
1962	1971	Bobby Hull	835	108.7%	Stan Mikita	834	108.6%	Phil Esposito	768
1963	1972	Phil Esposito	898	116.2%	Stan Mikita	841	108.8%	Bobby Hull	773
1964	1973	Phil Esposito	1038	141.2%	Stan Mikita	832	113.2%	Bobby Orr	735
1965	1974	Phil Esposito	1110	133.6%	Bobby Orr	870	104.7%	Stan Mikita	831
1966	1975	Phil Esposito	1140	140.7%	Bobby Orr	888	109.6%	Stan Mikita	810
1967	1976	Phil Esposito	1159	134.5%	Bobby Orr	870	100.9%	Jean Ratelle	862
1968	1977	Phil Esposito	1156	137.8%	Jean Ratelle	868	103.5%	Bobby Orr	839
1969	1978	Phil Esposito	1108	128.5%	Bobby Clarke	868	100.7%	Jean Ratelle	862
1970	1979	Phil Esposito	1087	117.1%	Guy Lafleur	941	101.4%	Marcel Dionne	928
1971	1980	Marcel Dionne	1063	111.3%	Guy Lafleur	1011	105.9%	Phil Esposito	955
1972	1981	Marcel Dionne	1103	122.8%	Guy Lafleur	1031	114.8%	Darryl Sittler	898
1973	1982	Marcel Dionne	1120	123.9%	Guy Lafleur	1052	116.4%	Darryl Sittler	904
1974	1983	Marcel Dionne	1134	118.1%	Guy Lafleur	1066	111.0%	Bryan Trottier	960
1975	1984	Marcel Dionne	1139	111.8%	Wayne Gretzky	1122	110.1%	Bryan Trottier	1019
1976	1985	Wayne Gretzky	1337	127.2%	Marcel Dionne	1139	108.4%	Mike Bossy	1051
1977	1986	Wayne Gretzky	1520	138.1%	Mike Bossy	1126	102.3%	Marcel Dionne	1101
1978	1987	Wayne Gretzky	1669	161.3%	Marcel Dionne	1087	105.0%	Mike Bossy	1035
1979	1988	Wayne Gretzky	1837	187.4%	Peter Stastny	986	100.6%	Marcel Dionne	980
1980	1989	Wayne Gretzky	1842	176.6%	Peter Stastny	1059	101.5%	Jari Kurri	1043
1981	1990	Wayne Gretzky	1841	181.7%	Dale Hawerchuk	1018	100.5%	Paul Coffey	1013
1982	1991	Wayne Gretzky	1750	172.8%	Mario Lemieux	1014	100.1%	Dale Hawerchuk	1013
1983	1992	Wayne Gretzky	1619	155.7%	Mario Lemieux	1174	112.9%	Steve Yzerman	1040
1984	1993	Wayne Gretzky	1544	149.2%	Mario Lemieux	1211	117.0%	Steve Yzerman	1035
1985	1994	Wayne Gretzky	1384	140.7%	Mario Lemieux	1111	112.9%	Steve Yzerman	984
1986	1995	Wayne Gretzky	1271	122.6%	Mario Lemieux	1131	109.1%	Steve Yzerman	1037
1987	1996	Wayne Gretzky	1185	114.8%	Mario Lemieux	1146	111.0%	Steve Yzerman	1032
1988	1997	Wayne Gretzky	1126	115.1%	Steve Yzerman	999	102.1%	Mario Lemieux	978
1989	1998	Wayne Gretzky	1020	111.1%	Adam Oates	927	101.0%	Steve Yzerman	918
1990	1999	Jaromir Jagr	958	106.9%	Adam Oates	896	100.0%	Joe Sakic	896
1991	2000	Jaromir Jagr	1022	118.4%	Joe Sakic	905	104.9%	Adam Oates	863
1992	2001	Jaromir Jagr	1032	120.7%	Joe Sakic	890	104.1%	Teemu Selanne	855
1993	2002	Jaromir Jagr	1015	129.0%	Joe Sakic	843	107.1%	Teemu Selanne	787
1994	2003	Jaromir Jagr	990	129.4%	Joe Sakic	838	109.5%	Teemu Selanne	765
1995	2004	Jaromir Jagr	920	128.3%	Joe Sakic	776	108.2%	Teemu Selanne	717
1996	2005	Jaromir Jagr	894	127.2%	Joe Sakic	743	105.7%	Mats Sundin	703
1997	2006	Jaromir Jagr	895	130.7%	Joe Sakic	769	112.3%	Mats Sundin	685
1998	2007	Jaromir Jagr	864	115.8%	Joe Thornton	749	100.4%	Joe Sakic	746
1999	2008	Joe Thornton	794	110.6%	Jaromir Jagr	737	102.6%	Jarome Iginla	718
2000	2009	Joe Thornton	823	113.8%	Jarome Iginla	724	100.1%	Daniel Alfredsson	723
2001	2010	Joe Thornton	822	114.5%	Jarome Iginla	739	102.9%	Martin St. Louis	718
2002	2011	Joe Thornton	831	113.2%	Martin St. Louis	757	103.1%	Ilya Kovalchuk	734
2003	2012	Joe Thornton	770	104.8%	Martin St. Louis	747	101.6%	Alex Ovechkin	735
2004	2013	Alex Ovechkin	814	105.9%	Joe Thornton	773	100.5%	Sidney Crosby	769
2005	2014	Alex Ovechkin	895	106.8%	Sidney Crosby	853	101.8%	Joe Thornton	838
2006	2015	Alex Ovechkin	860	108.2%	Sidney Crosby	836	105.2%	Joe Thornton	795
2007	2016	Alex Ovechkin	837	111.3%	Sidney Crosby	805	107.0%	Patrick Kane	752
2008	2017	Sidney Crosby	822	108.7%	Alex Ovechkin	812	107.4%	Patrick Kane	756
2009	2018	Sidney Crosby	819	103.5%	Patrick Kane	796	100.6%	Alex Ovechkin	791
2010	2019	Patrick Kane	792	105.7%	Sidney Crosby	757	101.1%	Alex Ovechkin	749
2011	2020	Patrick Kane	785	110.9%	Sidney Crosby	753	106.4%	Claude Giroux	708
2012	2021	Patrick Kane	737	108.9%	Sidney Crosby	719	106.2%	Alex Ovechkin	677
2013	2022	Patrick Kane	682	109.8%	Sidney Crosby	663	106.8%	Alex Ovechkin	621

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Some of the most dominants windows of 10 year's (limited by one by player)
Gretzky (79 to 88): 187.4%
Denneny (17 to 26): 146.7%
Howe....(50 to 59): 146.0%
Esposito(64 to 73): 141.2%
Morenz..(22 to 31): 134.1%
Jagr....(97 to 06): 130.7%
Blake...(38 to 47): 125.6%
Dionne..(73 to 82): 122.8%
Lemieux.(84 to 93): 117.0% (as a second place)

Obviously lock-out give a free pass for players to maintain a place here which is an issue.

People that made a top 3 during a 10 year's windows the most often:

Gordie Howe	18
Wayne Gretzky	15
Maurice Richard	11
Sidney Crosby	10
Phil Esposito	10
Marcel Dionne	10
Jaromir Jagr	10
Alex Ovechkin	10
Stan Mikita	9
Joe Thornton	9
Joe Sakic	9
Ted Lindsay	8
Nels Stewart	8
Howie Morenz	8
Steve Yzerman	7
Patrick Kane	7
Mario Lemieux	7
Bobby Hull	7
Bill Cowley	7
Jean Beliveau	6
Toe Blake	5
Syd Howe	5
Guy Lafleur	5
Doug Bentley	5
Bobby Orr	5
Andy Bathgate	5
Teemu Selanne	4
Marty Barry	4
Frank Boucher	4
Elmer Lach	4
Cy Denneny	4
Busher Jackson	4
Babe Dye	4
Aurel Joliat	4
Mike Bossy	3
Martin St. Louis	3
Jean Ratelle	3
Jarome Iginla	3
Adam Oates	3
Sweeney Schriner	2
Reg Noble	2
Peter Stastny	2
Mats Sundin	2
Darryl Sittler	2
Dale Hawerchuk	2
Charlie Conacher	2
Bryan Trottier	2
Bernie Geoffrion	2
Paul Coffey	1
Lorne Carr	1
Jari Kurri	1
Ilya Kovalchuk	1
Frank Nighbor	1
Daniel Alfredsson	1
Clint Smith	1
Claude Giroux	1
Bobby Clarke	1
Bill Cook	1

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Patrick Kane, Sundin, Selanne, Thorton, Iginla are some players that when looking into that prism look particularly good imo, often injured or short prime a la Forsberg, Lafleur less so.

The super constant and not missing game type (Howe, Gretzky, Dionne, Jagr, Esposito) look obviously super good that way and Statsny do indeed look a bit "lucky" legacy wise that it happened on round numbers of year to have that windows, if it is ever used above a Oates, Hawerchuck, Yzerman in a conversation.

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[Hockey Outsider]

Great research.

Some possibilities for the best player to never to appear in the top three:

• Messier (Gretzky and Lemieux took up two of the three spots for most of his prime)
• Malkin, Forsberg, Lindros, Bure and Schmidt (struggled with injuries and often didn't have consecutive healthy seasons)
• Hull (outstanding three-year peak, but generally didn't record enough assists to rank too high)
• Ullman, Perreault, Mahovlich, Delvecchio, Bucyk, Francis, Recchi (good, consistent players - I'd guess that most of them ranked in or just outside the top five)

Worst player to appear in the top three at least once? Probably Lorne Carr and Clint Smith (both of whom had a spike in production during the talent-depleted WWII years). Excluding them - probably Claude Giroux?

I thought both Hull and Beliveau would have ranked higher. Though one spot was taken by Howe pretty much all of their careers. Still, you'd think two players often ranked #5 all-time wouldn't rank behind Thornton, Sakic, Lindsay and Kane.

Also - amazing that Gretzky was the top scorer in four ten-year periods before he even played his first game.

 

[MadLuke]

• Messier (Gretzky and Lemieux took up two of the three spots for most of his prime)

Victim of the deadly Gretzky-Lemieux-Yzerman trio, he has 2x 4th place behind those three, 85-86 to 94-5 and 86-87 to 95-96.

If we remove Gretzky-Lemieux -Howe and re-run the exercise, Messier-Brett Hull, Coffey get a big bonus being a top 5 often type in the Lemieux-Gretzky era do show up and Maurice Richard shine obviously, having the war followed by a Howe less field:

Ovechkin is possibly being boosted by the 2004 stoppage (but maybe not he as a huge lead over the 2 nearest player affected by the lock-out) and Crosby certainly is considering he would not have played anyway but it show up in a single windows and St-Louis lock out production if it does not affect the rest of is career to play that season would have bounced him out, Crosby/Ovechkin have good change to do 2013-2014 to 2022-2023 to compensate, Marchand needing to score 62 more points than Crosby before then end of this season to bounce him, Kane will also probably do it and McDavid should start is long "reign" of showing up already even if it is just is season#7.

occurrence top 3 in 10 year's windows, Gretzky-Lemieux-Howe less
Maurice Richard	11
Sidney Crosby	10
Phil Esposito	10
Marcel Dionne	10
Joe Sakic	10
Jaromir Jagr	10
Alex Ovechkin	10
Stan Mikita	9
Joe Thornton	9
Ted Lindsay	8
Nels Stewart	8
Jean Beliveau	8
Howie Morenz	8
Bobby Hull	8
Steve Yzerman	7
Patrick Kane	7
Bill Cowley	7
Andy Bathgate	7
Guy Lafleur	6
Bernie Geoffrion	6
Toe Blake	5
Syd Howe	5
Elmer Lach	5
Doug Bentley	5
Dale Hawerchuk	5
Bryan Trottier	5
Bobby Orr	5
Adam Oates	5
Teemu Selanne	4
Paul Coffey	4
Marty Barry	4
Mark Messier	4
Frank Boucher	4
Cy Denneny	4
Busher Jackson	4
Babe Dye	4
Aurel Joliat	4
Peter Stastny	3
Norm Ullman	3
Mike Bossy	3
Martin St. Louis	3
Jean Ratelle	3
Jarome Iginla	3
Ted Kennedy	2
Sweeney Schriner	2
Reg Noble	2
Red Kelly	2
Mats Sundin	2
Jari Kurri	2
Darryl Sittler	2
Charlie Conacher	2
Luc Robitaille	1
Lorne Carr	1
Ilya Kovalchuk	1
Henri Richard	1
Frank Nighbor	1
Denis Savard	1
Daniel Alfredsson	1
Clint Smith	1
Claude Giroux	1
Brett Hull	1
Bobby Clarke	1
Bill Cook	1

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Yzerman not moving by removing 2 direct rival is a let down and again those 2 do not fully simply explain is gap with Sakic.

 

[MadLuke]

Also from the start of the 2013-2014 season to now, Ovechkin is third in points while being in is own zone in goals obviously, in term of offensive production him and Crosby for their post peak era are still quite impressive and generational in that regard do seem to apply for how rare it has been to produce relative to your peers after your peak in over 100 season of the nhl.

 

[Big Phil]

Claude Giroux, if I recall (and hockeyreference makes you sign up and pay for this service on their website now) had more points than anyone in the NHL over a 6(?) year span from 2010 to 2016. Much of this was based on injuries to Crosby, Malkin and then Ovechkin had that mid season slump. But still, wow!