Line Combos: Starting goalie

[airbus220]

8 year career backup goalies are backups for a reason.

You only need 2 good backups to win and both for less than Halak's salary alone.
That's also why I wouldn't give Greiss a big raise. Should always take advantage of the goalie market.

 

[blitzkriegs]

halak set the franchise "wins by a goalie" record with 38. that smashed the record of 32 held by the "immortal" billy smith. and the 1981-82 islanders that smith had playing in front of him were a hell of a lot better than what slava has playing in front of him.

For a franchise that just won a playoff round in 20+ years, I don't think the regular season record really matters. When push came to shove vs PHI, he flopped. In Game 5, he got shelled. He's never won a playoff series for the NYI.

 

[RMimagery]

It's going to be like last season. Halak will play great until he gets injured around the halfway point.

 

[ichabod13]

For a franchise that just won a playoff round in 20+ years, I don't think the regular season record really matters. When push came to shove vs PHI, he flopped. In Game 5, he got shelled. He's never won a playoff series for the NYI.

you said that halak has never won anything for the islanders. subtract half the standings points from halaks wins.....and the islanders wouldnt have made the play offs. and he got those 76 standings points with brian ****ing strait playing defense!!!!!

 

[Barzaltrick]

Ride Halak for 3/4ths of the season until he inevitably pulls his groin, then Greiss can carry us to the cup final.

 

[MJF]

It's nothing to write home about, but Halak hasn't won ANYTHING with the Isles yet, there's some sort of belief he is some superior being...

I'm not saying anything pro-Greiss beyond he actually stepped up as the backup and performed in the playoffs - he gets respect for that. No idea whether that's a flash in the pan or something more.

But the OMG the Isles can't win without Halak is already proven wrong.

My position continues to be that by trading Halak during camp we will take a position we are solid at and turn it into a question mark. This team is best served by continuing the Halak/Greiss tandem.

I don't think anyone here has equated Halak to the second coming of Ken Dryden, but many people here think Halak is better than Thomas Greiss. That's all.

I think if we trade Halak and Greiss gets those 50-55 starts, it will be a case of the more you see of Greiss the less you'll like him.

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

You only need 2 good backups to win and both for less than Halak's salary alone.
That's also why I wouldn't give Greiss a big raise. Should always take advantage of the goalie market.

What team has won with 2 good backups? Of course a Cinderella story like Hammond can happen once every few years but that is far from the norm. Expecting players to play above career averages is a recipe for a lotto pick.

 

[2ndGenIslander]

i think trading halak would be a mistake right now.

berube has a whopping 7 games of NHL experience. thats not enough ( in my eyes at least ) to make halak expendable.

Halak's value is sky-high right now after his world cup of hockey performance. We should sell high if we can land the winger we need in some sort of package with him

 

[Doshell Propivo]

My position continues to be that by trading Halak during camp we will take a position we are solid at and turn it into a question mark. This team is best served by continuing the Halak/Greiss tandem.

Yepperdoodle.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Halak's value is sky-high right now after his world cup of hockey performance. We should sell high if we can land the winger we need in some sort of package with him

I wonder how high it actually is. If we can somehow land a legit, first line difference maker for him (which I highly doubt) then you do it. But we'd need to add more depth at goal.

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

Keep Jaro, he's still a very good goalie. I don't see why we would move him, it really is a bizarre 3 headed monster. For Snow to bring JF in to begin with must indicate he had something up his sleeve....

Do a 50-32 Spit, Halak and Greisser

 

[seafoam]

I don't think Halak would even return a 2nd, let alone an impact forward.

Not sure what some of you are thinking given Jaro's age, contract, career numbers, injury history, and the goaltender market.

 

[enigmatic]

I don't think Halak would even return a 2nd, let alone an impact forward.

Not sure what some of you are thinking given Jaro's age, contract, career numbers, injury history, and the goaltender market.

its unbelievable--i truly don't get this trade jaro idea that just won't go away--the dude is a good goalie (obviously with some flaws) on a pretty solid contract--let him be that perfect bridge until sorokin comes over--it works perfectly

the NHL is morphing into a league where you need a 1a/1b type goalie situation, unless you have a bonafide top 5 goalie and we have that perfect 1a/1b setup

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

I don't think Halak would even return a 2nd, let alone an impact forward.

Not sure what some of you are thinking given Jaro's age, contract, career numbers, injury history, and the goaltender market.

Today Halak may have the value of a 2nd most likely less like you said. Noone needs a starting goalie as of today. Maybe midseason Halak could net a 2nd or a 1st but than we would need a starting goalie so thats a huge step backwards,

Do people forget the days of not to long ago of Danis,MacDonald, DP, and Biron.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Which teams still need goaltending that 1]have the cap space to add Halak or 2]don't require the Islanders to take back the exact same salary in return (ie. Dallas)?

I am giving even odds that Garth hangs on to him until someone has a #1 go down.

I know that having 3 goaltenders splitting time hurts all three of them and ruins moral. Too many NHL players and coaches have said it for it not to be 100% correct. I also know from having seen Milbury do this that in practice it is also true. Simply moving Halek for nothing in the cap world becomes a trade with value as we get cap space back.

I know you know this, but maybe you don't think I see cap space as its own reward these days. I do.

I would agree if the Isles were in a rebuilding mode, but they're not. This team really should be thinking about winning now. By trading Halak before the start of the season and giving Greiss his first starting job in a 9 year NHL career and making Berube a number two with 9 NHL starts under his belt, that would be weakening what is currently a position of strength.

See above. In a cap ceiling world simply gaining his salary to spend elsewhere has value unlike when there was no cap. It has nothing to do with building. Keeping 3 goaltenders on and wasting 4.5 million dollars in cap space is just bad management.

Of course that is assuming Snow isn't blowing smoke up our butts about how he feels about the other two. This could all be a giant game and maybe he secretly wants someone to offer the moon for Berube (for example). IDK. I do know Halak has an annoying injury history. That is a known problem. He also seemed to confirm that he is on the outs with management.

What would you take from that? For me it is that he's gone and it is just a matter of time, not really an if-thing.

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

I am giving even odds that Garth hangs on to him until someone has a #1 go down.

I know that having 3 goaltenders splitting time hurts all three of them and ruins moral. Too many NHL players and coaches have said it for it not to be 100% correct. I also know from having seen Milbury do this that in practice it is also true. Simply moving Halek for nothing in the cap world becomes a trade with value as we get cap space back.

I know you know this, but maybe you don't think I see cap space as its own reward these days. I do.

They gained 5 million in capspace with Grabo on IR. Cap space is meaningless when you don't use it