GDT: STARS @ SHITSTORM

[Chrispy]

It's hard for me to blame Andersen when the defense gives up a point-blank scoring chance within a minute of taking the lead in the third. TWICE. And it's not like it's some 4th liner they let slip past them, you should be keeping track of Hintz.

Failed to shut down Dallas on multiple occasions and it bit them. Andersen is the only reason they even got a point, since he had to bail the team out on the penalty shot after giving up a breakaway.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Your argument that Andersen has fault for this game is valid. But against NY with a deflection goal being the only goal he gave up while the rest of the team didn’t score at all, ruined the rest of your argument.

Yeah, the Toronto game is the only one of those 3 where someone has a valid argument that Andersen cost us a point with that first goal. Not a damn thing he could do with the Ranger's goal unless he got lucky and it hit him. As for last night, yeah you'd like a save on one of the last two but can't fault him for not making them given where the shots were from and the defensive breakdowns.

 

[dogbazinho]

I mean you're asking for Andersen to make a highlight reel save which doesn't seem unreasonable when backups do it routinely against us. Yeah though, huge breakdowns on D, bad shots when we had opportunities, and lack of net front (mostly due to rampant interference)

 

[Chrispy]

I mean you're asking for Andersen to make a highlight reel save which doesn't seem unreasonable when backups do it routinely against us.

The penalty shot save was worthy of a highlight reel.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I will echo that Andersen has his moments of blame, like Toronto. But if you hold up games like the Rangers or last night, you're just plain wrong.

At the very least, at least we aren't seeing the team go out there and take a dump on the ice even during these slumps. There are a lot of finer points to clean up, but they are putting in effort and often carrying the play. They just have to get back to getting a little more traffic and work on shot locations.

As for lines, I get that the Staal line has been productive, but I've always hated the argument that you can't break up a line because it's productive. The goal is to get as many lines going as possible. If some of the other lines are struggling, perhaps they could do with a little bit of what the one line that's doing well has going for it. It's not like you can't put it back together. But if your third line is the one that consistently gets it done, it might be worth trying other things, cause that's not good enough for the ultimate goal.

Anyways, unlike many, I don't really think these games mean a whole lot. I'm fairly content to see them coast most of the way down the stretch, hopefully, try a few new things here and there, and hopefully, stay healthy. Even the lesser playoff teams in the east are dangerous, so I'm not really worried about who we end up matching up with.

 

[MinJaBen]

As for lines, I get that the Staal line has been productive, but I've always hated the argument that you can't break up a line because it's productive. The goal is to get as many lines going as possible. If some of the other lines are struggling, perhaps they could do with a little bit of what the one line that's doing well has going for it. It's not like you can't put it back together. But if your third line is the one that consistently gets it done, it might be worth trying other things, cause that's not good enough for the ultimate goal.

I think this is the exact argument I've heard Rod make to the press when he breaks up the SAT line frequently. Rod has a hard on for Staal, so there will always be different rules for his line.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I mean you're asking for Andersen to make a highlight reel save which doesn't seem unreasonable when backups do it routinely against us. Yeah though, huge breakdowns on D, bad shots when we had opportunities, and lack of net front (mostly due to rampant interference)

Thats the thing. We‘ve committed to Andersen for another year after this. We let go of our previous goaltending setup because we felt we couldn’t win a Cup with the duo (trio?) we had. Games where the opposing net minder is making highlight reel saves every minute or so, while our goalie lets in 1 every 5 shots he faces (regardless of how they went in) should definitely make you question whether we can win a Cup with Freddy in net.

Freddy’s SV% over the last 5 games is .864. If that’s not concerning to you, I’m not sure what to tell you.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I think this is the exact argument I've heard Rod make to the press when he breaks up the SAT line frequently. Rod has a hard on for Staal, so there will always be different rules for his line.

Yeah, I get it. And at the end of the day, Rod's a great coach, so I'll only argue it so far. But, in my opinion, if we're having trouble getting greasy goals, it might be worth putting three of the guys that get the greasiest goals on different lines. As I said, it may not work either, and this may just be a slump they'll randomly get through, but I'd like to experiment when the results aren't insanely important right now.

Granted, you throw Svech on a line with Staal, and people won't like that much either.

 

[Svechhammer]

It's hard for me to blame Andersen when the defense gives up a point-blank scoring chance within a minute of taking the lead in the third. TWICE. And it's not like it's some 4th liner they let slip past them, you should be keeping track of Hintz.

Failed to shut down Dallas on multiple occasions and it bit them. Andersen is the only reason they even got a point, since he had to bail the team out on the penalty shot after giving up a breakaway.

Both of these things can be true -

1 - Entire team, defense especially, shit the sheets right after we took the lead on both the 2nd and 3rd goals.
2 - Freddie needed to make a f***ing save on both of those shots

 

[Stickpucker]

I mean you're asking for Andersen to make a highlight reel save which doesn't seem unreasonable when backups do it routinely against us. Yeah though, huge breakdowns on D, bad shots when we had opportunities, and lack of net front (mostly due to rampant interference)

I think that's something that gets missed.

For example Tro is trying to be a netfront and eats cross checks and is tackled.

No penalty.

Makes it really hard to have a netfront in those circumstances.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I mean you're asking for Andersen to make a highlight reel save which doesn't seem unreasonable when backups do it routinely against us. Yeah though, huge breakdowns on D, bad shots when we had opportunities, and lack of net front (mostly due to rampant interference)

MT Knett could have stopped most of our shots last night, or Dave Ayers, or ****ing Tripp...there wasn't a lot of quality on net despite the overwhelming volume

 

[Stubu]

I get the frustration. FWIW,

I can't actually read that but at least SAT seems to be (barely) on the blue. Is that good?

 

[Svechhammer]

I think that's something that gets missed.

For example Tro is trying to be a netfront and eats cross checks and is tackled.

No penalty.

Makes it really hard to have a netfront in those circumstances.

I mean those aren't going to be penalties in the playoffs, so we better man the f*** up and get used to it without resorting to bitching to the refs every 5 mins.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Thats the thing. We‘ve committed to Andersen for another year after this. We let go of our previous goaltending setup because we felt we couldn’t win a Cup with the duo (trio?) we had. Games where the opposing net minder is making highlight reel saves every minute or so, while our goalie lets in 1 every 5 shots he faces (regardless of how they went in) should definitely make you question whether we can win a Cup with Freddy in net.

Freddy’s SV% over the last 5 games is .864. If that’s not concerning to you, I’m not sure what to tell you.

In his last 5 games Anderson is 2-2-1 with a .910 Sv% and 1.99 GAA.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

In his last 5 games Anderson is 2-2-1 with a .910 Sv% and 1.99 GAA.

That's what I get for doing math in the morning.

 

[Chrispy]

Thats the thing. We‘ve committed to Andersen for another year after this. We let go of our previous goaltending setup because we felt we couldn’t win a Cup with the duo (trio?) we had. Games where the opposing net minder is making highlight reel saves every minute or so, while our goalie lets in 1 every 5 shots he faces (regardless of how they went in) should definitely make you question whether we can win a Cup with Freddy in net.

Freddy’s SV% over the last 5 games is .864. If that’s not concerning to you, I’m not sure what to tell you.

The last 5 games have also been terrible in terms of shot quality allowed:

Dallas: 15 shots allowed, 8 high danger chances (53% of shots were HD) SV: .800
TB: 29 shots allowed, 11 HD chances (38%) SV: .931
NYR: 17 shots allowed, 6 HD chances (35%) SV: .941
TOR: 21 shots allowed, 8 HD chances (38%) SV: .857
PHI: 29 shots allowed, 4 HD chances (14%) SV: .966

3 games over .930 in SV% in those last 5. But with the higher % of HD chances (and the ones last night were bad even by HD standards) the SV% is going to go down.

If we're going to put some blame on him for last night's loss, Freddie should also get more love for stealing the TB game.

This season, Andersen is 17th in the NHL in HDSV% for goalies with >600 minutes (.844, .855 is 11th place.) That .844 is a marked improvement over recent years.

20-21: .819 HDSV
19-20: .805 HDSV
18-19: .817 HDSV
17-18: .820 HDSV
16-17: .845 HDSV

This was my concern about Andersen with this defense and style of play, but Andersen has looked better against HD chances than he did in Toronto. Best thing Carolina can do is limit those breakdowns.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I get the frustration. FWIW,

I can't actually read that but at least SAT seems to be (barely) on the blue. Is that good?

The blue/red/gray is just the result of the shot that provided the xG. So, yeah, red is better because it means it actually resulted in a goal. Blue is better than grey because at least you made the goalie make a save.

 

[DaveG]

I don’t buy that wedgewood killed the team effort. The Hurricanes played Bill peters offense for most of the game. Its like they didn’t learn from the last game where a constant net front really opens up the O. They made it easy on Wedgewood throughout the game.

Yep. The only times Wedgewood did anything of note in that game were in OT, where he admittedly was great and it looked like the Canes had the game won about 4 times in about a 45 second span. Otherwise? A whole lot of noise but not a lot of quality.

 

[Tryamw]

Yep. The only times Wedgewood did anything of note in that game were in OT, where he admittedly was great and it looked like the Canes had the game won about 4 times in about a 45 second span. Otherwise? A whole lot of noise but not a lot of quality.

That Save on Aho early was pretty good.

 

[SoupNazi]

Speaking of Tampa they lost again tonight.

You hate to see it.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I will echo that Andersen has his moments of blame, like Toronto. But if you hold up games like the Rangers or last night, you're just plain wrong.

At the very least, at least we aren't seeing the team go out there and take a dump on the ice even during these slumps. There are a lot of finer points to clean up, but they are putting in effort and often carrying the play. They just have to get back to getting a little more traffic and work on shot locations.

As for lines, I get that the Staal line has been productive, but I've always hated the argument that you can't break up a line because it's productive. The goal is to get as many lines going as possible. If some of the other lines are struggling, perhaps they could do with a little bit of what the one line that's doing well has going for it. It's not like you can't put it back together. But if your third line is the one that consistently gets it done, it might be worth trying other things, cause that's not good enough for the ultimate goal.

Anyways, unlike many, I don't really think these games mean a whole lot. I'm fairly content to see them coast most of the way down the stretch, hopefully, try a few new things here and there, and hopefully, stay healthy. Even the lesser playoff teams in the east are dangerous, so I'm not really worried about who we end up matching up with.

Staal’s line has been very good and perhaps the best line over last two weeks.

But….this year (or lately) he is losing key 3rd period and o/t face offs which are killers in tight games/playoffs.

 

[Svechhammer]

Staal’s line has been very good and perhaps the best line over last two weeks.

But….this year (or lately) he is losing key 3rd period and o/t face offs which are killer sin tight games/playoffs.

I think Staal lost every OT faceoff he was on the ice for last night.

Which... is literally the only reason he takes the ice in OT. Not good

 

[A Star is Burns]

I don't care to look it up, but I've wondered if we've been worse in OTs and chased possession more in them this year because Staal hasn't been as good at winning faceoffs in OT. Especially that first one he's put on for.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don't care to look it up, but I've wondered if we've been worse in OTs and chased possession more in them this year because Staal hasn't been as good at winning faceoffs in OT. Especially that first one he's put on for.

I definitely made a mental note last night that he's been losing the first draw so often that we should probably stop putting him out there for it.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Per NST:

Staal is 5 for 16 3v3 on the season. In the preceding 3 seasons, he was a respectable 30 for 58.

Aho continues to struggle. 2 for 7 this season. 7 for 21 in the others under Brind'Amour.

Even Trocheck is just 8 for 19 as a Hurricane.