Sportsnet: Stars and Hawks talking Seth Jones

[Sinbad]

With the cap going up and contracts like Benn’s (2025) and Seguin’s (2026) expiring over the next two season’s Dallas can easily take on Jones deal without retention. Players like Duchesne have already shown a willingness to sign team friendly deals to stay in Dallas.

Dallas would be set with a top four of Heiskenen, Jones, Lindell and Harley for the foreseeable future… that’s pretty damn good!

To Dallas:

Jones - no retention

To: Chicago:

2026 1st round pick
Dumba - helps Dallas with cap hit
Hemming

 

[LT]

With the cap going up and contracts like Benn’s (2025) and Seguin’s (2026) expiring over the next two season’s Dallas can easily take on Jones deal without retention. Players like Duchesne have already shown a willingness to sign team friendly deals to stay in Dallas.

Dallas would be set with a top four of Heiskenen, Jones, Lindell and Harley for the foreseeable future… that’s pretty damn good!

To Dallas:

Jones - no retention

To: Chicago:

2026 1st round pick
Dumba - helps Dallas with cap hit
Hemming

You're not getting two 1sts for an unretained Jones

 

[Fatass]

Dallas is a well run club. Why would they pay assets for Seth Jones with no retention? It’s not a smart move.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Wyatt Johnston coming up. Roberson and Harley the year after. Oettinger starting his extension next season. Seems like it’s/will get tight fast.

If stars did trade for Seth Jones you can count on an offer sheet for Johnson.

I may not saying Stars wouldn't pay the 9+M for Johnson. I am just saying the cap gets tight quick.

 

[Sinbad]

You're not getting two 1sts for an unretained Jones

Dumba is your retention for the remainder of this season and next.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

You're not getting two 1sts for an unretained Jones

Hemming was widely viewed as a mid 2nd round pick. Just because Dallas reached on him doesn't mean everyone else views him as worth a 1st

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Hemming was widely viewed as a mid 2nd round pick. Just because Dallas reached on him doesn't mean everyone else views him as worth a 1st

Bob had him 26th in his final ranking, so I wouldn't say he was widely viewed as a mid 2nd round pick.

Bob McKenzie's Final NHL Draft Ranking: Many attractive and diverse options after Macklin Celebrini | TSN

This year’s final ranking, from No. 2 on, is much more challenging to assemble because of two factors - many more divergent opinions and variance on even the top 10 picks and two Russians forcing their way into the conversation in the upper echelon.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Bob had him 26th in his final ranking, so I wouldn't say he was widely viewed as a mid 2nd round pick.

Bob McKenzie's Final NHL Draft Ranking: Many attractive and diverse options after Macklin Celebrini | TSN

This year’s final ranking, from No. 2 on, is much more challenging to assemble because of two factors - many more divergent opinions and variance on even the top 10 picks and two Russians forcing their way into the conversation in the upper echelon.

www.tsn.ca

No disrespect to Bob McKenzie as I think he is quite well informed on prospects, but 1 ranking does not discredit most of the others. There are always outlier opinions, and I get it, if Dallas viewed him as their guy they are going to draft him there even if most other teams would view him lower. Just like how Bob had Tarik Parascak ranked 25th but Washington took him at 17

 

[LT]

No disrespect to Bob McKenzie as I think he is quite well informed on prospects, but 1 ranking does not discredit most of the others. There are always outlier opinions, and I get it, if Dallas viewed him as their guy they are going to draft him there even if most other teams would view him lower. Just like how Bob had Tarik Parascak ranked 25th but Washington took him at 17

You don't know how McKenzie's rankings work, do you? It's all outlined there in the article.

 

[Zapp]

No disrespect to Bob McKenzie as I think he is quite well informed on prospects, but 1 ranking does not discredit most of the others. There are always outlier opinions, and I get it, if Dallas viewed him as their guy they are going to draft him there even if most other teams would view him lower. Just like how Bob had Tarik Parascak ranked 25th but Washington took him at 17

Except Bob McKenzie doesn’t make these picks lol. You think he goes around scouting all these guys at his age?

Bob gets the consensus from scouts of 10 NHL teams.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

You don't know how McKenzie's rankings work, do you? It's all outlined there in the article.

Except Bob McKenzie doesn’t make these picks lol. You think he goes around scouting all these guys at his age?

Bob gets the consensus from scouts of 10 NHL teams.

I'm aware that he doesnt do the scouting himself. I am saying he is not the end all decision on rankings.

Smaht ranking - 35
Dobber Prospects ranking - 38
Recruit Scouting ranking - 36
Jason Bukala ranking - 37
Sam Cosentino ranking - 29
Draft Prosepcts Hockey ranking - 19
Daily Faceoff ranking - 31
FC Hockey ranking - 21
Chris Peters ranking - 17
McKeen's ranking - 25
Ryan Kennedy ranking - 23
Tony Ferrari ranking - 23
Craig Button ranking - 39
Scott Wheeler ranking - 19
Cory Pronman ranking - 50

Plenty of the most popular amateur scouting writers ranked him all over the place, but generally in the mid to late 30's. Dallas taking him at 29 isn't ridiculous like when Ottawa took Tyler Boucher at #10 but its still a bit above his expected draft position.

Hemming is a decent B level prospect who is putting up rather pedestrian numbers in the OHL this year. Yes he was drafted in the first (late) but lets not act like he's some ridiculously good prospect here

 

[Zapp]

I'm aware that he doesnt do the scouting himself. I am saying he is not the end all decision on rankings.

Smaht ranking - 35
Dobber Prospects ranking - 38
Recruit Scouting ranking - 36
Jason Bukala ranking - 37
Sam Cosentino ranking - 29
Draft Prosepcts Hockey ranking - 19
Daily Faceoff ranking - 31
FC Hockey ranking - 21
Chris Peters ranking - 17
McKeen's ranking - 25
Ryan Kennedy ranking - 23
Tony Ferrari ranking - 23
Craig Button ranking - 39
Scott Wheeler ranking - 19
Cory Pronman ranking - 50

Plenty of the most popular amateur scouting writers ranked him all over the place, but generally in the mid to late 30's. Dallas taking him at 29 isn't ridiculous like when Ottawa took Tyler Boucher at #10 but its still a bit above his expected draft position.

Hemming is a decent B level prospect who is putting up rather pedestrian numbers in the OHL this year. Yes he was drafted in the first (late) but lets not act like he's some ridiculously good prospect here

Yeah I’m sure the scouting department who picked Wyatt Johnston , Mavrik Bourque and Jake Oettinger in the late first, and Hintz, Robertson, and Stankoven in the 2nd round have no idea what they’re doing.

 

[LT]

I'm aware that he doesnt do the scouting himself. I am saying he is not the end all decision on rankings.

Smaht ranking - 35
Dobber Prospects ranking - 38
Recruit Scouting ranking - 36
Jason Bukala ranking - 37
Sam Cosentino ranking - 29
Draft Prosepcts Hockey ranking - 19
Daily Faceoff ranking - 31
FC Hockey ranking - 21
Chris Peters ranking - 17
McKeen's ranking - 25
Ryan Kennedy ranking - 23
Tony Ferrari ranking - 23
Craig Button ranking - 39
Scott Wheeler ranking - 19
Cory Pronman ranking - 50

Plenty of the most popular amateur scouting writers ranked him all over the place, but generally in the mid to late 30's. Dallas taking him at 29 isn't ridiculous like when Ottawa took Tyler Boucher at #10 but its still a bit above his expected draft position.

Hemming is a decent B level prospect who is putting up rather pedestrian numbers in the OHL this year. Yes he was drafted in the first (late) but lets not act like he's some ridiculously good prospect here

The average of the numbers you posted is literally 29, even if you take out the highest and lowest values. Maybe you could try and find some actual evidence for your argument, but I don't think it exists.

No one is touting him as an elite prospect. He was a low 1st and so far has lived up to that billing. He struggled early which is expected for an 18 year old moving to a foreign continent. His production has elevated recently. Barrie fans have been quite pleased with his play and recent production.

Dallas values him as a 1st rounder. So that's his value. The 2026 1st should be low, too.

 

[Bizz]

To Dallas: Seth Jones, 2025 1st, 2026 1st, 2027 1st. All unprotected.

To Chicago: Conditional 2027 7th

anything else and Dallas gets insanely ripped off.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Yeah I’m sure the scouting department who picked Wyatt Johnston , Mavrik Bourque and Jake Oettinger in the late first, and Hintz, Robertson, and Stankoven in the 2nd round have no idea what they’re doing.

Who tf said they have no idea what they are doing? Don't put words into my mouth

 

[TLEH]

To Dallas: Seth Jones, 2025 1st, 2026 1st, 2027 1st. All unprotected.

To Chicago: Conditional 2027 7th

anything else and Dallas gets insanely ripped off.

Appreciate your contribution to this discussion

 

[Zapp]

Who tf said they have no idea what they are doing? Don't put words into my mouth

Sorry your arguments just come off so incoherent and nonsensical this was the only conclusion I could draw from it

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

What Dallas needs to trade to Chicago is a young LW prospect they will likely not be able to give a contract to in the future. Like Wyatt Johnson or Logan Stankoven.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Sorry your arguments just come off so incoherent and nonsensical this was the only conclusion I could draw from it

You do realize that not every draft pick is a hit right? Dallas also drafted Riley Tufte at #25, Ty Dellandrea at #13, Albin Eriksson at #44, and Kristian Kyrou at #50.

Again Hemming is a decent prospect but he's probably not going to amount to much more than a 3rd liner (realistically speaking). He was drafted very late in the first and the 2026 1st will also very likely be late. The statement of "You're not getting two 1sts for an unretained Jones" comes across so irrationally. It would be one thing if the poster was asking for a top tier prospect like Stank or Johnson, but he's not. Seth Jones is undoubtedly still a 1st pair caliber defenseman and a right handed shot at that. A bit overpaid sure but the cap increase is going to make that obsolete in no time. 1st round picks are handed out like candy for 3rd liners every year, you simply aren't going to find a RHS dman of his caliber for a better price than this. I am in no way saying Chicago shouldn't or wont retain on a deal as I think it's absolutely possible. I just think they are much more likely to want to take on a bad contract for a year like Dumba than pay Jones 20M to play for a division rival for the next 5. And with the cap increase the 9.5M contract he carries will seem fine in no time.

 

[Zapp]

Again Hemming is a decent prospect but he's probably not going to amount to much more than a 3rd liner (realistically speaking).

See you almost had a rational post there but then decided to throw this ridiculous statement in here. What credibility do you have to make that determination about an 18 year old that just got drafted last year and moved from Finland to Canada?

Let’s just agree to disagree. There’s no common ground here between us.

 

[Hockey Dad]

What Dallas needs to trade to Chicago is a young LW prospect they will likely not be able to give a contract to in the future. Like Wyatt Johnson or Logan Stankoven.

Neither of them are LW. I doubt either of them are available for Jones. The most I would do is 2026 1st and someone like Stranges or Kyrou.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Hanifin was traded for a 1st a 3rd and a bottom-pairing d prospect.

That's sort of what i'd expect for Seth Jones.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

See you almost had a rational post there but then decided to throw this ridiculous statement in here. What credibility do you have to make that determination about an 18 year old that just got drafted last year and moved from Finland to Canada?

Let’s just agree to disagree. There’s no common ground here between us.

Huh? You have far too high of expectations for a late 1st rounder. I am by no means writing him off, simply a late 1st is most likely a 3rd line caliber player

 

[Lunatik]

Can the Stars afford him long-term?

EDIT: My question specifically concerned next season.

I don't see it being an issue. The cap is rising 7.5m and the Stars have Benn, Granlund, Duchene, Dadonov and Ceci on expiring deals. A dump like Dumba would probably be going the other way in any deal too. That is not factoring any possibility of salary retention.

 

[Lunatik]

See you almost had a rational post there but then decided to throw this ridiculous statement in here. What credibility do you have to make that determination about an 18 year old that just got drafted last year and moved from Finland to Canada?

Let’s just agree to disagree. There’s no common ground here between us.

Statistically speaking, most late 1st rounders never amount to being more than 3rd liners. That was far from a ridiculous statement. I think L&D has some really shitty takes, but this isn't one of them.