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ERYX said:
I for one am glad Chevy didn't mortgage the future at the trade deadline. No one who was on the market would have made a difference. The only thing that could have made a difference would be a different goalie, in my view, and obviously that wasn't happening.

Team played pretty much as well as could be expected in front of Hellebuyck, save maybe special teams (as usual). Team showed way more heart than in previous years, so I am proud of them for that.

Hellebuyck had issues, seemed to be putting it together in the last two games of the Dallas series, unfortunately too late. Team was never trading him or bringing in a 1A/1B situation, so Hellebuyck figuring out whatever ails him in the playoffs is what we need ... hopefully team can build on this in the future.

It's a bitter pill and embarrassing to be President's Trophy winners then flame out in round 2. I'd really rather they didn't put the president's trophy banner up. But that aside ... much more enjoyable playoffs than the last two. If I'm correct EVERY division winner is out of the playoffs now, I guess that's a testament to the NHL's parity.
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If it makes you feel any better, only 2 president's trophy winners have made it farther in the last 10 years. Obviously I would have loved to win, but a closely fought loss in round 2 I'm generally okay with.
 
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Was kinda busy and unable to post much over the weekend so I'll just say I'm pretty happy with this season overall. It's too bad we couldn't at least have gotten another game 7 or even better, into the next round. But whatever. It's apparently no better to finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the league regular season so I'll enjoy seeing the banner go up for the Prez's Trophy. I'm not so sure we'll have a better chance at a cup any time soon unfortunately but who knows? I've under-estimated the team's potential before.
 
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As scheifele enters his mid thirties the jets window will begin to close. Hopefully he remains an impactful 1C for the next 5 years. We've got nothing to replace him with and that was painfully clear whenever he was out. Paying Ehlers what he wants and playing Connor Scheif Ehlers together is my preferred route hope he stays. He was really good and obviously not 100%.
 
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winnipegger said:
As scheifele enters his mid thirties the jets window will begin to close. Hopefully he remains an impactful 1C for the next 5 years. We've got nothing to replace him with and that was painfully clear whenever he was out. Paying Ehlers what he wants and playing Connor Scheif Ehlers together is my preferred route hope he stays. He was really good and obviously not 100%.
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I would not worry about Scheifele I can see him playing until late 30s early 40s with little drop off. He is a health nut like Tom Brady and only eats healthy foods.
 
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AlphaLackey said:
No, it's not. No, it wasn't a flame out, and no, being eliminated in round two of a tournament where even the best team is going to lose 90% of the time is not embarrassing.
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Embarrassing was the way the Leafs went out. Jets at least went out with a fight. It was a disappointment, but that's being a Jets fan. Their inability to win a road game is sad.

Hopy Chevy gets proactive instead of reactive this offseason.
 
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AlphaLackey said:
No, it's not. No, it wasn't a flame out, and no, being eliminated in round two of a tournament where even the best team is going to lose 90% of the time is not embarrassing.
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Okay, fair enough, they didn't flame out, they put up a good fight. But I do personally think it's embarrassing to be President's Trophy winners and barely scrape past the 8th seed, then go down in 6 in second round. We sure mocked Nashville plenty when they hung the President's Trophy banner after we beat them in round 2 and they fought us to game 7.

Also, I'm not sure you're correct that "even the best team is going to lose 90%" of the time -- pretty sure there was a detailed discussion pre-playoffs about how President's Trophy isn't a curse and the best teams usually do well in the playoffs. It seems to me that the president's trophy team tends to win more than 10% of their playoff games. Unless you mean not winning the cup but that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the above, BARELY by the skin of our teeth beating the 8th seed and then a second round that was never really in doubt despite a lot of heart shown (the "lot of heart" is usually the consolation for lower-seed teams who punched above their weight, not the President's Trophy winner).

People around here were highly upset at how no one took Winnipeg as serious contenders despite the President's Trophy. The haters/doubters have all been proven right and that stings.
 
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ERYX said:
Okay, fair enough, they didn't flame out, they put up a good fight. But I do personally think it's embarrassing to be President's Trophy winners and barely scrape past the 8th seed, then go down in 6 in second round. We sure mocked Nashville plenty when they hung the President's Trophy banner after we beat them in round 2 and they fought us to game 7.

Also, I'm not sure you're correct that "even the best team is going to lose 90%" of the time -- pretty sure there was a detailed discussion pre-playoffs about how President's Trophy isn't a curse and the best teams usually do well in the playoffs. It seems to me that the president's trophy team tends to win more than 10% of their playoff games. Unless you mean not winning the cup but that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the above, BARELY by the skin of our teeth beating the 8th seed and then a second round that was never really in doubt despite a lot of heart shown (the "lot of heart" is usually the consolation for lower-seed teams who punched above their weight, not the President's Trophy winner).

People around here were highly upset at how no one took Winnipeg as serious contenders despite the President's Trophy. The haters/doubters have all been proven right and that stings.
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I think you are putting too much on winning the President's trophy. It only means you were the most consistent of the top teams during the regular season, not that you are the best team. In any given season there are probably 6-8 teams that are capable of winning it all if the pieces fell into place. Some of the more experienced teams actually start dialing it down during the stretch run, to conserve energy. The Panthers are a perfect example as they gentle cruised into the playoffs, fully aware of the oncoming war of attrition.
 
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ERYX said:
Okay, fair enough, they didn't flame out, they put up a good fight. But I do personally think it's embarrassing to be President's Trophy winners and barely scrape past the 8th seed, then go down in 6 in second round. We sure mocked Nashville plenty when they hung the President's Trophy banner after we beat them in round 2 and they fought us to game 7.

Also, I'm not sure you're correct that "even the best team is going to lose 90%" of the time -- pretty sure there was a detailed discussion pre-playoffs about how President's Trophy isn't a curse and the best teams usually do well in the playoffs. It seems to me that the president's trophy team tends to win more than 10% of their playoff games. Unless you mean not winning the cup but that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the above, BARELY by the skin of our teeth beating the 8th seed and then a second round that was never really in doubt despite a lot of heart shown (the "lot of heart" is usually the consolation for lower-seed teams who punched above their weight, not the President's Trophy winner).

People around here were highly upset at how no one took Winnipeg as serious contenders despite the President's Trophy. The haters/doubters have all been proven right and that stings.
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If Helly played like regular season Helly we are still playing right now. I hate to pick on one guy but goaltending is so important in the playoffs. .866 save percentage is just not nearly good enough especially for the best goalie in the regular season.
 
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I would have been more upset if I didn't know how many key injuries we had at the end of the season. So many of our players were just coming back from injury or were playing injured; it unfortunately seemed way higher than league average.
 
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Jets 31 said:
If Helly played like regular season Helly we are still playing right now. I hate to pick on one guy but goaltending is so important in the playoffs. .866 save percentage is just not nearly good enough especially for the best goalie in the regular season.
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He did fight through those issues and managed 2 bagels in round 2
I thought he was getting better and in game 6 he kept us in it
 
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SensibleGuy said:
did we mock Nashville for hanging the PT banner? I thought it was for a banner for something they made up? Isn't it customary to hang a PT banner?
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ERYX said:
Okay, fair enough, they didn't flame out, they put up a good fight. But I do personally think it's embarrassing to be President's Trophy winners and barely scrape past the 8th seed, then go down in 6 in second round. We sure mocked Nashville plenty when they hung the President's Trophy banner after we beat them in round 2 and they fought us to game 7.

Also, I'm not sure you're correct that "even the best team is going to lose 90%" of the time -- pretty sure there was a detailed discussion pre-playoffs about how President's Trophy isn't a curse and the best teams usually do well in the playoffs. It seems to me that the president's trophy team tends to win more than 10% of their playoff games. Unless you mean not winning the cup but that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the above, BARELY by the skin of our teeth beating the 8th seed and then a second round that was never really in doubt despite a lot of heart shown (the "lot of heart" is usually the consolation for lower-seed teams who punched above their weight, not the President's Trophy winner).

People around here were highly upset at how no one took Winnipeg as serious contenders despite the President's Trophy. The haters/doubters have all been proven right and that stings.
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We didn't get a regular 8th seed.
The Blues somewhat like their miracle 2019 run came out of no where to be one of the best teams in the league over the last few months.
If Calgary or Vancouver slide into that spot I think it's fair to say that the Jets could have had an easier time and been less banged up after round 1.
No guarantees of course but by all accounts St Louis was way better than Cal/Van and every other Wild Card team in playoffs in either conference.
Not much of a "prize" for winning the Presidents Trophy.
 
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ERYX said:
Okay, fair enough, they didn't flame out, they put up a good fight. But I do personally think it's embarrassing to be President's Trophy winners and barely scrape past the 8th seed, then go down in 6 in second round. We sure mocked Nashville plenty when they hung the President's Trophy banner after we beat them in round 2 and they fought us to game 7.

Also, I'm not sure you're correct that "even the best team is going to lose 90%" of the time -- pretty sure there was a detailed discussion pre-playoffs about how President's Trophy isn't a curse and the best teams usually do well in the playoffs. It seems to me that the president's trophy team tends to win more than 10% of their playoff games. Unless you mean not winning the cup but that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the above, BARELY by the skin of our teeth beating the 8th seed and then a second round that was never really in doubt despite a lot of heart shown (the "lot of heart" is usually the consolation for lower-seed teams who punched above their weight, not the President's Trophy winner).

People around here were highly upset at how no one took Winnipeg as serious contenders despite the President's Trophy. The haters/doubters have all been proven right and that stings.
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I'm very proud of the Jets to win the President's trophy, not of the trophy itself but to finish 1st after 82 games in a 32 team league is quite a accomplishment. Not saying you but even the most negative posters on here have to agree with that. Do i think we should have done better in the playoffs ? Yes, but it doesn't take anything away from the great regular season we had. We had a way better playoffs than the last 2 seasons, way better, so i'm taking some comfort in that and maybe next season we take another step.
 
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The PT had nothing to do wiith any of my expectations of the Jets. All it means is the team managed to win a game or 2 more than the next couple of top teams in a season. Really, the Jets won the PT on the back of that incredibly hot start to the season. Had they gone something like 13-7 instead of 19-1 or whatever it was in the first 20 games they'd have ended up 3rd or 4th or something in the league. The playoffs are pretty much a world unto themselves. None of the other teams who finished at the top of the reg season's standings made it any farther than us. I'd have loved a cup run but I'm certainly not embarrassed at all by what happened this year. The Jets showed some real fight in spite of some pretty bad luck in the injury dept and some other adversity too.

Had we been bounced in 4 or 5 games like the previous four post-seasons, THAT would have been embarrassing!
 
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Jets 31 said:
I agree he was definitely starting to look like Helly the last 2 games of the series but if he played like that from the start of the Dallas series i think we win .
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We needed more goals during the playoffs too.
Not everything is on Helle and I know you aren’t saying that.
Just a few things that could have been better.
Offense
Helle
Special teams
Still a great year
 
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