Movies: Star Wars: Rogue One or The Force Awakens

Shareefruck

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My post that started all of this was in response to someone saying that they didn't do any original storytelling. By the way, I'm also not going to type of my reasoning unless someone asks me to. I'm only willing to spend time defending my position in conversation, not in monologue.

Either way, I think there's two ways to look at originality. One, is the story original? The answer to that question is always no, in my opinion. Doesn't matter what it is. There are details that are different, but the story is the same. Hell, Rogue One is just another "Hero's Journey" story, same as A New Hope. The other side of this is whether or not it's original in the format or setting. That's what set Star Wars apart in the first place. First of all, the space setting was different. But even the character archetypes were somewhat new for the format. I mean, Princess Leia wasn't a new type of female character, but she was a new type of female character for Hollywood. Movies were still developing as an art form, though. I'm not sure they still are. That doesn't mean great movies can't be made. And of course, the techniques used to tell the old stories, essentially through a medium of visual effects that had never existed before... that's original. It's possible to be original in how you tell a story, even if the story isn't original itself.

I think the majority of people who criticize TFA for being unoriginal just didn't like the movie and, for a variety of reasons, want to have a "rational" reason why they didn't. You come pretty close to saying that same thing. You found TFA uninspired... by itself, without any context of originality or even of other Star Wars movies. That's fine and that's what I get at. You judge the movie for what it is, not what you'd like it to be.
That's fair (and to be honest, sometimes I find the expectation to grasp at straws pinpointing why exactly you liked something exhausting-- who gives a ****? It either works for you or it doesn't). When I think of a word like "original", I don't think it's ever actually used in literal terms-- it's just a buzz word to capture a vague feeling. It's something that I think is used interchangeably with personality/flair/playfulness. You don't need to be an absolute literal original to have that.
 

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TFA was a much more memorable movie to me.

Didnt even learn the characters names in R1, call me an idiot idgaf.

Plus I can literally only remember like 4 or 5 scenes from R1 and two of them were Vader scenes and I watched it two weeks ago
 

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Chirrut's name is hard to hear. They say it so fast. I can't even remember machine gun guy's name at all.
 

HanSolo

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I couldn't even get Baze's.

But I did like them more than most seem to.

The only one I really didn't care too much for was Boddie. I mean he's a likable guy but he's underdeveloped. The little development he gets is delivered in very jittery panicked acting and not enough of his relationship with Galen and his place in the Empire is done to make me care about him the way I cared for Finn's bold defection from the First Order.

Baze was more of a cool character to me. I didn't care much for the way he was delivered either. Not enough time is spent on his hatred of the Empire. We just see he's mad at them. There's a pretty great line from the trailers that got cut as he's staring down his gun in the rain of "they took our home". That's powerful. The assault on that planet is just on the heels of Jedha's destruction, losing that line costs the character a lot of character building.

And then with Jyn, again, all it takes is one hologram of her father for her to go from "I don't give a **** about politics or what's happening to the galaxy" to being the only one in the alliance speaking up with hope. It just feels awkward.
 

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I actually liked Boddie. First impression was that he was some random Star Trek ensign on the away team that would get killed right away, but nope. So I went through the movie thinking ...still alive... still alive... still alive... hey he's doing something important... wow he really knows his stuff... now he has some real balls... heroic sacrifice!

So he just kind of grew on me over the course of the movie.
 

HanSolo

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I actually liked Boddie. First impression was that he was some random Star Trek ensign on the away team that would get killed right away, but nope. So I went through the movie thinking ...still alive... still alive... still alive... hey he's doing something important... wow he really knows his stuff... now he has some real balls... heroic sacrifice!

So he just kind of grew on me over the course of the movie.

I guess I appreciated his death more than the rest of his contribution to the movie. I just wish he was developed better.
 

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