Online Series: Star Wars Andor on D+

[Randy Butternubs]

More thoughts:

Spoiler

Luthen when trading artifacts, were those actually authentic? The way he said "the mark is there" actually makes me think it was a forgery. Or maybe he acquired and hid them during his time in the military.

Luthen and Bail have a few similarities. Like them having adoptive daughters due to war. And living two different lives on Coruscant and in the rebellion.

Melchi and his squad doing their morning jog. What a night and morning for Melchi. Was probably doing all that drunk and hungover.

Music was pretty dang good. And I plan on watching Rogue One tonight. I have the Blu-ray and plan on watching some of the special features too.

 

[kingsfan28]

After a second viewing of 12, I watched all the credits and the original Star Wars end title theme showed up about halfway though it, around the 44:00 min mark. That made me smile. Nice little nod to the OT and how every movie ended on that music.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

Star Wars as Melville's Army of Shadows? Crazy. It's incredibly impressive work and a testament to letting smart creative people play. Genuinely thrilling, emotionally engaging and it has a brain and thoughts about the world in which we live ... and this was all done under a Star Wars banner? Again, crazy.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Music was pretty dang good.

I ended up watching those little arc recaps on D+ since I didn't want to miss anything and the show was fairly dense (in a good way) with how they integrated stuff in from S1 (which was fuzzy for me), some more subtly than others.

They mentioned as this season progressed the score gradually became less electronic and more orchestral, culminating in the full orchestral piece you hear at the end of the last ep, as a way to naturally transition into the orchestral feel of Rogue One.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

I ended up watching those little arc recaps on D+ since I didn't want to miss anything and the show was fairly dense (in a good way) with how they integrated stuff in from S1 (which was fuzzy for me), some more subtly than others.

They mentioned as this season progressed the score gradually became less electronic and more orchestral, culminating in the full orchestral piece you hear at the end of the last ep, as a way to naturally transition into the orchestral feel of Rogue One.

I've leaned more into recaps than I typically do as well for these reasons. It's so damn dense and well thought out even to degrees that might not be apparent on the first watch through. I certainly didn't clock that shift in music, for example.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

I've leaned more into recaps than I typically do as well for these reasons. It's so damn dense and well thought out even to degrees that might not be apparent on the first watch through. I certainly didn't clock that shift in music, for example.

Yeah I did one of those 15-min S1 recaps before this season started. It was equal parts very helpful and woefully insufficient.

I suppose I might do a full re-watch at some point, maybe time it with a rumored 10th anniversary re-release of Rogue One in theaters, if that ends up happening.

 

[Hivemind]

My way-too-early-I-still-need-to-rewatch-season-2-about-5-more-times rankings of the various Arcs of Andor:

1. BBY 2 (Ghorman & Senate)
2. Narkina 5
3. Aldhani
4. S1 Ferrix Conclusion Arc
5. BBY 3 (Ghorman set-up, Wilmon with Saw, Coruscant)
6. BBY 1 (S2 Finale Arc)
7. Announcement (Niamos S1 stand-alone)
8. S1 Ferrix Introduction Arc
9. BBY 4 (S2 Intro Arc)

 

[kingsfan28]

Spoiler: Dedra

Dedra Meero is in “the women’s version” of Narkina 5 at the end of ANDOR, confirms Tony Gilroy.“It's probably Narkina 7 or Narkina 2.”

"Welcome to Nakina 2. You've all been deemed labor worthy... "

I imagine she's assembling millions of these light switches and door controls the Death star needs to function.

 

[Jussi]

‘Andor’ Finale: Creator Tony Gilroy Breaks Down the ‘Star Wars’ Spy Saga’s Gut-Wrenching Ending

Gilroy once regretted getting entangled in the galaxy far, far away. But now that ‘Andor’ is complete, it’s clear the sacrifice was worthwhile.

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Even before she was Lucasfilm’s president, you worked with Kathleen Kennedy for years on the Bourne movies. Everybody is calling Andor the most grown-up Star Wars story told so far. Can you describe her role in this?

Well, she kind of snuck me into this thing.

She trapped you?

[Laughs] Yeah, she kind of seduced me into it. There was a period of time where I really wanted the show to die and I wanted to get out of it. When COVID came, I thought, Oh, thank God. COVID will kill the show, and I won’t have to do it. So there was a long period of time where I was like, I can’t believe she got me into this.

Why did you want it to die?

Because we had scripts going, and I was going to direct a bunch of episodes, and we were in London—we were casting—and I was just absolutely naive about what it would take to make the show. I really did not know what I was doing at all, in terms of the scope of work. So when COVID came, it was like, Oh, you know what? That’s a sign from God, no show. But the irony is that during that spell, we really figured out how to make it. We figured out a system to do it and got enough of a reset and a deep breath.

How did Kennedy help with that?

She has protected the show and protected me and wrangled a team together. When we started challenging Kathy, Kathy just kept saying yes. “Oh, I’m going to put the first scene in a brothel.” “Okay.” “I’m going to have them kill two cops.” “Okay.” “We want the production designer from Chernobyl.” “Okay, good idea.” She backed our play and got everything that we were doing. We’ve been through everything, she and I, on this—all the good and all the bad. There’s no show without her. For all the shit that she takes online, it’s just insane. This show exists because she forced it to happen. What a tough job she has, man.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Screenshot from episode 11 or 12, I forget which:

Spoiler

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Luthen's origin:

Spoiler

Apparently he was in the Imperial Army similar to Han Solo on Mimban. Shows the Empire radicalizing one of their own soldiers ("oh good!"), but in the "wrong" direction ("oh no!").

 

[Jack Straw]

This show was AWESOME!

Any one else immediate start Rogue One after concluding Andor?

Just finished Andor and I'm about to watch Rogue One. lol

One of the best things I've seen on TV in a while (up there with Shogun, Slow Horses, Wolf Hall). And maybe my favorite Star Wars thing ever.

 

[NyQuil]

I'm sure Disney will see a massive boost in viewings of Rogue 1.

Hopefully it's informative of what solid storytelling can do.

 

[Lt Dan]

I'm sure Disney will see a massive boost in viewings of Rogue 1.

Hopefully it's informative of what solid storytelling can do.

You would hope. But it is Disney. Lol

 

[Jussi]

You would hope. But it is Disney. Lol

The same Disney that produced Shogun and The Bear?

 

[Hasbro]

The same Disney that produced Shogun and The Bear?

"Shogun and the Bear! They're cops!"

Saw some speculation about what happens to Deadra after Endor. I'd think she'd be in the Crosshairs of an Operation Nemesis by Ghor survivors.

 

[kingsfan28]

Screenshot from episode 11 or 12, I forget which:

Spoiler

pretty sure John Wick did that in multiple movies.

 

[kingsfan28]

Spoiler: Nemyk's manifesto

To hear Nemyk's manifesto was actually being listened to by Partagaz and had spread across the galaxy was awesome! They didn't know who it was or how to stop it.

 

[Jack Straw]

I liked this so much that I watched not only Rogue One but the original Star Wars, which I hadn’t watched in years. I saw it in the theater when it first came out and I wonder if people today realize what a game changer it was. We had never really seen special effects like that. There was 2001 of course, but that was a completely different kind of film.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

hows 2nd season? is it like the 1st season? I hated every episode of this show other than the jail break one.

I just found it incredibly boring and not very interesting overall. the jail break was really the only time I wanted to watch more. then I feel asleep multiple times trying to get through this snooze fest

 

[Stylizer1]

hows 2nd season? is it like the 1st season? I hated every episode of this show other than the jail break one.

I just found it incredibly boring and not very interesting overall. the jail break was really the only time I wanted to watch more. then I feel asleep multiple times trying to get through this snooze fest

If you're a fan of Chewbaka then.......

 

[Jussi]

hows 2nd season? is it like the 1st season? I hated every episode of this show other than the jail break one.

I just found it incredibly boring and not very interesting overall. the jail break was really the only time I wanted to watch more. then I feel asleep multiple times trying to get through this snooze fest

As has been said before, episode 6 is when the season takes and never lets off. The last two arcs are some of the best Star Wars since the original trilogy.

 

[HanSolo]

hows 2nd season? is it like the 1st season? I hated every episode of this show other than the jail break one.

I just found it incredibly boring and not very interesting overall. the jail break was really the only time I wanted to watch more. then I feel asleep multiple times trying to get through this snooze fest

You probably shouldn't bother. If tension and world building is too boring for you there's still plenty in season 2.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You probably shouldn't bother. If tension and world building is too boring for you there's still plenty in season 2.

I just thought the slow burn Star Wars was boring, It's find of people love it, I just don't.
I also didn't like Rogue One so I had next to no interest on something involving a character from it.
I just thought it was a giant cash grab

 

[HanSolo]

I just thought the slow burn Star Wars was boring, It's find of people love it, I just don't.
I also didn't like Rogue One so I had next to no interest on something involving a character from it.
I just thought it was a giant cash grab

If anything this is Disney paying out the ass to try to salvage the reputation of the IP more than it is a "cash grab." I mean its fine if you want more thrills and adventure beats per minute. I can't say I don't entirely judge but whatever, different strokes for different folks. But a cash grab, to me, is a half baked and soulless continuation of a legacy property that is so artistically deficient that its only purpose is to capitalize on nostalgia/familiarity rather than to tell a compelling/entertaining story. Something like the Matrix 4 or Dumb and Dumber 2, just off the top of my head.

It's fine if you didn't like Andor, but classifying it as a cash grab is really puzzling. Most people agree it exceeds the quality of the title that inspired it (Rogue One) and actually enhances that original project. Disney took a risk investing so heavily in a series like this precisely because of the demographic you seem to be a part of, fans that won't like a slow burn with added layers of complexity and nuance Star Wars has honestly never attempted outside the old EU. If there were more fans like you, substantially more, it could've been a financial disaster for them. They took the risk anyway. I don't know how that aligns with the concept of a cash grab.