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Online Series: Star Trek: Discovery - III - Spock's Beard
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The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
Season 4: Burnham is back in the 23rd century, but time travels to the 24th century to mentor Wesley Crusher.
SJSharksfan39
Registered User
That finale was something else. It was full of action, but on thinking about it more, it kind of angers me.
I think my biggest issue with Discovery is two fold: It lacks an identity and the writers cut too many corners to give us emotional moments that are not earned.
What is Star Trek Discovery? What is it's place in the Star Trek Mythos? What I saw in Season 2 was Discovery sidelined in favor of Star Trek mysticism. Pike was great, Spock was decent, but it feels like fans are so entrenched in the original series for some reason (A series that only lasted 3 seasons, by the way) that Star Trek as a whole always has to revert back to that series. Why can't Discovery stand on it's own. Hell, we end season 2 with the Enterprise and not the Discovery. That is a big disservice to Discovery in my opinion.
I think the character who got the shortest shrift was Paul Stamets. Stamets was a great character in season 1, going from arrogant to standing his ground against Lorca and what he has worked for. In season 2 he's just pining for Culber all year. Anthony Rapp deserves better because he's a much better actor than that.
In terms of cutting corners, look no further than Airiam's death scene. The writers take so much time writing a clip show for this character because they were too lazy to actually work on a character arc for her the prior season and a half. We were lead to believe that these characters are important, then why did the writers treat them as furniture prior to this. The same can be said for the entire secondary bridge crew. We then have scenes with these people writing letters home and it feels empty because why should I care about these people when the writers don't.
I hate how Burnham centric this show is. Everything has to revolve around her, and it makes me roll my eyes. I'm not going to get into a Mary Sue debate, but by making her the Red Angel, did the writers pretty much elevate her to a deity. Also, that story with her mom was a big waste of time. Also, can she stop crying? Every episode this season she is crying and it's ridiculous. She's the most emotionally sad character I've seen in Star Trek and she's the lead.
I hope season 3 is a reboot of the series, and this time they actually give a damn for the characters they write. I don't want Star Trek. I want Star Trek Discovery. That's what the show is called and they should be front and center. By having the final shot of the finale being the Enterprise going on it's mission, that was a spit in the face to the two seasons of Star Trek Discovery, like These are the Voyages was a spit in the face to Star Trek Enterprise (According to many in fandom).
I think my biggest issue with Discovery is two fold: It lacks an identity and the writers cut too many corners to give us emotional moments that are not earned.
What is Star Trek Discovery? What is it's place in the Star Trek Mythos? What I saw in Season 2 was Discovery sidelined in favor of Star Trek mysticism. Pike was great, Spock was decent, but it feels like fans are so entrenched in the original series for some reason (A series that only lasted 3 seasons, by the way) that Star Trek as a whole always has to revert back to that series. Why can't Discovery stand on it's own. Hell, we end season 2 with the Enterprise and not the Discovery. That is a big disservice to Discovery in my opinion.
I think the character who got the shortest shrift was Paul Stamets. Stamets was a great character in season 1, going from arrogant to standing his ground against Lorca and what he has worked for. In season 2 he's just pining for Culber all year. Anthony Rapp deserves better because he's a much better actor than that.
In terms of cutting corners, look no further than Airiam's death scene. The writers take so much time writing a clip show for this character because they were too lazy to actually work on a character arc for her the prior season and a half. We were lead to believe that these characters are important, then why did the writers treat them as furniture prior to this. The same can be said for the entire secondary bridge crew. We then have scenes with these people writing letters home and it feels empty because why should I care about these people when the writers don't.
I hate how Burnham centric this show is. Everything has to revolve around her, and it makes me roll my eyes. I'm not going to get into a Mary Sue debate, but by making her the Red Angel, did the writers pretty much elevate her to a deity. Also, that story with her mom was a big waste of time. Also, can she stop crying? Every episode this season she is crying and it's ridiculous. She's the most emotionally sad character I've seen in Star Trek and she's the lead.
I hope season 3 is a reboot of the series, and this time they actually give a damn for the characters they write. I don't want Star Trek. I want Star Trek Discovery. That's what the show is called and they should be front and center. By having the final shot of the finale being the Enterprise going on it's mission, that was a spit in the face to the two seasons of Star Trek Discovery, like These are the Voyages was a spit in the face to Star Trek Enterprise (According to many in fandom).
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SJSharksfan39
Registered User
Or she mentors Picard, considering we have a Picard series coming and Burnham has to be the center of everything.
Blender
Registered User
Burnham being absurdly emotional in almost every episode this season almost comes off like they are trying to compensate for how robotic she often was in season 1. Her character being mostly wooden was a point of criticism, and they just took it to the opposite extreme this season.
LeafalCrusader
Registered User
Just finished the season. God that was a boring plot line. Can't believe they were able to stretch a full season out of it.
SJSharksfan39
Registered User
Again, like I've been saying a lot this season. These writers suck at writing characters. They are just fanwanking at this point and I'm sick and tired of it. Give us a 2019 Star Trek Discovery series and stop going back to the nostalgic well. I'm cautiously optimistic about the Picard series, but if it's anything like Discovery season 2, I will be disappointed.
Guardian17
Strong & Free
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
Finally watched the last couple episodes of the season.
What a ridiculous load of ****. We kind of already knew there had to be some way to erase Discovery from history because they'd done far too much gigantic, high-profile crazy nonsense to simply pretend that it was part of the universe we wouldn't hear about in due course in all the other Treks, but the ultimate conclusion still comes across like such a lazy bit of glorified bookkeeping.
Burnham is full-on Space Jesus now. What a crock.
The only enjoyable parts of this season are now warping off into the unknown never to be seen again because why would we want to watch likeable characters when we can get Discovery's cast of quirky weirdos instead?
I'm hesitant to want to commit to watching the 3rd season. By the end of this one I was even past just watching nearly-live and riffing on it to watching episodes a week plus after their debut and mostly zoning out.
Congratulations, Discovery, you've done the impossible and made me hate Star Trek. I've watched every episode of every other series at least twice and with only some irritation. I could happily never watch an episode of Discovery again.
What a ridiculous load of ****. We kind of already knew there had to be some way to erase Discovery from history because they'd done far too much gigantic, high-profile crazy nonsense to simply pretend that it was part of the universe we wouldn't hear about in due course in all the other Treks, but the ultimate conclusion still comes across like such a lazy bit of glorified bookkeeping.
Burnham is full-on Space Jesus now. What a crock.
The only enjoyable parts of this season are now warping off into the unknown never to be seen again because why would we want to watch likeable characters when we can get Discovery's cast of quirky weirdos instead?
I'm hesitant to want to commit to watching the 3rd season. By the end of this one I was even past just watching nearly-live and riffing on it to watching episodes a week plus after their debut and mostly zoning out.
Congratulations, Discovery, you've done the impossible and made me hate Star Trek. I've watched every episode of every other series at least twice and with only some irritation. I could happily never watch an episode of Discovery again.
The Macho King
Back* to Back** World Champion
I'm a huge Star Trek fan, and outside of the pilot, I haven't even bothered to watch this. It's just clear that they don't know what makes Star Trek great.
The Macho King
Back* to Back** World Champion
One question. Why - if a shot doesn't penetrate the shields and hit the hull - does it cause the terminals on the bridge to explode? I never understood the logic behind that. I mean - I don't understand it at all. You'd think you would want some form of insulation to prevent your bridge officers from dying willy nilly.
Osprey
Registered User
If I had to explain it, I'd probably chalk it up to shockwaves. I once had someone hit my car from behind at a stop light and, even though no damage was done, the impact caused my stereo to pop out of the dash. If you think about it, that's kind of like a terminal exploding, so that's a potential explanation. The real reason, of course, is that it's just because it looks cool and adds to the drama, regardless of whether it's realistic or not. It's similar to the bridge officers leaning side to side and losing their balance, even though the ship is in space and has artificial gravity. The stakes probably wouldn't seem so high if the bridge and its officers were never affected by what was going on outside.
Speaking of which, if we're going down this road, it's always felt strange to me that the bridge is along the hull even though it uses a viewscreen, not a window, to see what's in front. Couldn't it just as easily, and more safely, be located deep within the structure of the ship, so that, if the shields ever went down, the enemy couldn't simply fire at the bulge on the top of the ship to instantly cripple it?
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The Macho King
Back* to Back** World Champion
Bigger issue in Star Wars, with Star Destroyers just straight up exposing their bridge, but yeah - this also doesn't make sense.
RobBrown4PM
Pringles?
Look no further than the Expanse for realistic space ship bridges.
On the vast, vast, vast majority of ships, especially military ships, the bridge is in the centre of the ship, usually surrounded by an area that is depressurized or able to be quickly depressurized in case of a combat situation.
On the vast, vast, vast majority of ships, especially military ships, the bridge is in the centre of the ship, usually surrounded by an area that is depressurized or able to be quickly depressurized in case of a combat situation.
Osprey
Registered User
I really need to watch the Expanse. Everything that I've read has sounded really appealing. Why I waste time watching every episode of Discovery, instead, I don't know.
The Macho King
Back* to Back** World Champion
Other than both being sci fi featuring space ships, there really is nothing in common with Star Trek though. Definitely much more political/conspiratorial than ST.
I like it, but I can't bring myself to love it.
Blender
Registered User
It's definitely not anything like Star Trek, but it's easily the best sci-fi product out there right now. Fantastic show.
Puck
Ninja
I liked Season 2 better than 1 but I agree with many here that it was a bit 'soapy' and too teary-eyed melodramatic at some points. Luckily I watched recorded versions and could fast-forward. Looks like they now have spin-offs to expand the franchise. Anson Mount (Pike) was only hired for one year, but he was such a good Captain, I hear they might try to bring him back along with the new Spock for a new miniseries prequel to the Kirk-run Enterprise. There is also talk of another spin-off with Captain Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh). They keep Discovery in the future and avoid more issues with ST canon law. They have the new Picard series. Plus they have two new animated series in the works. The franchise is expanding in different directions.
Osprey
Registered User
I like all sci-fi, not just Star Trek. Something different is perfectly fine to me, especially since it's not masquerading as Star Trek like Discovery. It sounds a bit like Babylon 5, which I liked but couldn't manage to love, so I'm not setting my expectations too high, I think.
RobBrown4PM
Pringles?
It is like Babylon 5 in that it is an ensemble show, and that the show is heavily serialized.
Other than that, the shows are very different. While B5 went a quarter of the way with hard science, the Expanse went full in and embraced real world science to fuel their show.
The budget for each episode is insane, with Alcon producing everything, which means no middle manning from the airing channel, or at least up until Amazon took over.
The special effects are better than those in a lot of AAA movies. The show is absolutely gorgeous.
Blender
Registered User
It's pretty rare in that it depicts a near future where we have colonized parts of our solar system, but have no FTL travel or any of the gadgets that other sci-fi shows have had like laser weapons, artificial gravity (except on rotating ships of course), transporters, etc.
RobBrown4PM
Pringles?
At the beginning of B5, the EAF was without Anti-gravity technology, so you had ships which either had no gravity or ships had limited sections that had artificial gravity via rotating sections. Tthe older races all had their own forms of anti-gravity (The Centauri, Minbari and of course the Vorlons). So B5 took some steps to use real world science. Outside of B5 and the Expanse though, I'm having a REALLY hard time thinking of another show that uses science such as the Expanse does.
Blender
Registered User
The Expanse using efficient nuclear fusion engines for constant acceleration/deceleration, using electromagnetic railguns and missles only, the power suits that marines wear, everyone wearing magnetic boots, always accounting for G-forces when flying through space, etc. all adds a very high level of plausibility to the show.
