GDT: Stanley Cup Playoffs | Round 1: Game 3 - Leafs @ Sens; Apr 24 7:00 p.m. EST

[thusk]

Is he better on the forecheck? He hits harder but is much less agile.

Any line with Domi as C will be bad defensively, I guess this limits it a little.

I don't agree he is much better defensively.

Just for reference, Robertson has the lowest expected goals again per 60 out of all forwards right now, he's been hustling and giving good back pressure.

I don't think it is a big difference to change them out, but Robertson has been noticeably good away from the puck.

It likely is a high stick that caused this, not his play.

And robertson had been most protected and less trusted player by Berube. When ot was time to keep the lead he 3rd, Nylander took some double shift at his place by exemple

 

[Zybalto]

All the credit that Ottawa is getting for their 5-on-5 play is seriously flawed. Ottawa has been trailing, essentially, the entire time in both games. The Leafs got a lead early in both games, and never relinquished it. Score effects matter. Of course Ottawa is going to have more shots and some sustained pressure. That's misleading.

With the lead, Toronto has played sound defensive hockey, like you should when you're ahead. I haven't felt the Sens are threatening much, based on the eye test.

Special teams and goaltending differential have absolutely killed the Leafs during the Matthews era and I don't remember the love fest for their 5v5 play happening the way the media is slobbering over the Sens. It's kinda embarassing.

Leafs have outscored the Sens 5-2 5v5 so far. The previous 4 playoffs combined, the Leafs outscored opponants 58-56 5v5 with Campbell and Samsonov vs. Price, Vasy, Bob and Swayman. When the Leafs were down in those series, I never once heard the panels glazing them over how much better they looked 5v5. Bias and cope is off the charts.

 

[IronHookem]

How the f*** you gonna put Patches in but give neither him or McMann to the second line? I doubt Berube doesn't switch up Holmberg.

McMann hasn't done shit lately, he has 0 goals and 2 assists in his last 13 games (less than Holmberg who is a black hole offensively).

 

[MyLoveIsBlue]

 

[kevsh]

Patch for robertson reason #1 is to bring someone more responsible in the defensive side especially now Berube didn't had the last change

And #2 to crack some skulls.

If Toronto advances, regardless who they get in the 2nd round it's important Patch gets some games in beforehand so once game one starts he's already in full playoff mode and decapitating opponents foolish enough to get caught in his headlights.

Edit: Just noticed it looks like he's jumping right into the 3rd line. I have a feeling McMann gets over his slump tonight with Patch getting in on the forecheck and hopefully creating turnovers, something Nick just isn't as capable of doing.

 

[crump]

Patches in gives a big body to wear down the Sens D on the cycle. Has scoring potential as well and might be able to score from the crease area better than Robbie. I seem to recall Pacioretty getting a few penalties in reg season. So it’s not necessarily to reduce PP against. Basically a saw off except for size and I think Berube likes.

Robbie was doing well. Honestly the only thing was a bad penalty and he hadn’t scored yet. We’ll see if the change ignites McMann. That might be a factor. 2 big bodies on either side of Domi.

 

[RuudeDog]

Dubas was garbage overall, but he also got us Knies, who's been so important. Also McCabe.

He did lots of things wrong here, I mean lots. But it wasn't all horrible, then again he tried to trade Knies + for Hagel.

Not sure where I read or heard this last week, but apparently Dubas had one of his patented drop down deals in place for the Knies pick. The deal was done, but the scouting director put his foot down and demanded he take Knies. Thank gawd. I don't think a single one of those deals worked out for the Leafs.

 

[RuudeDog]

I think it's time for Domi to make his second impact on the series. Loved the OT winner, but it's time for someone to pound Grieg if he even touches Stolarz again tonight. I can live with the instigator.

 

[wingman75]

Tickets were restricted to season ticket holders - only a handful were released to the general public.

You had to be a season ticket holder, and buy a full ticket package, in order to get tickets to Sens home games. They then released more tickets for season ticket holders.

Highly unlikely any tickets were picked up by Habs and Bruins fans for the purpose of selling. Very likely that a lot of those ST holders resold their tickets to help pay off their original seats - after all, very few people need more than 2 or 4 playoff tickets per home game.

Season ticket holders ate up about 13k tickets from what I am told. The other 5k went to pre-sale and public sale.

I know a few sth who bought extra for freinds and family, but they were told they were NOT allowed to resell. Not sure how that was managed on the Sens side.

Anyway, prices will come down on those as game time hits.

I expect 70-30 Sens-Leafs fans breakdown tonight.

if the Leafs win tonight, it might get up to 50% Leafs Nation on Saturday night! Hope it works out that way.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Special teams and goaltending differential have absolutely killed the Leafs during the Matthews era and I don't remember the love fest for their 5v5 play happening the way the media is slobbering over the Sens. It's kinda embarassing.

Leafs have outscored the Sens 5-2 5v5 so far. The previous 4 playoffs combined, the Leafs outscored opponants 58-56 5v5 with Campbell and Samsonov vs. Price, Vasy, Bob and Swayman. When the Leafs were down in those series, I never once heard the panels glazing them over how much better they looked 5v5. Bias and cope is off the charts.

Wish I could like this twice, great points. Even up 2-0, the media (and lots of fans) seem to be on some of our guys still not doing enough when they are over a point a game. They know what draws reactions/engagement.

 

[wingman75]

All the credit that Ottawa is getting for their 5-on-5 play is seriously flawed. Ottawa has been trailing, essentially, the entire time in both games. The Leafs got a lead early in both games, and never relinquished it. Score effects matter. Of course Ottawa is going to have more shots and some sustained pressure. That's misleading.

With the lead, Toronto has played sound defensive hockey, like you should when you're ahead. I haven't felt the Sens are threatening much, based on the eye test.

Agreed.

It is a false narrative. The media need to have something to talk about. The 5v5 numbers have been shown in various threads here and it does not speak to any kind of Ottawa domination.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I don't buy the "don't change a winning lineup" unless to a man/line/pairing they've been excellent (nearly flawless) so far. That's not the case this series. The Leafs haven't been great at 5v5 and that 3rd line, we all know by now.

If not for any one of a very bad Sens PK, a few "rookie" mistakes on their side & some shaky goaltending things may look very different right now.

The coach should have the attitude of "I like where we are but we can be better." Break up that 3rd line for starters. I'd still like to ease Patches in so he should go on the 4th line to start but drop Robertson and move up Jarnkrok (again, just to start).

Jarnkrok is a void. He was useless last year too.

 

[wingman75]

Wish I could like this twice, great points. Even up 2-0, the media (and lots of fans) seem to be on some of our guys still not doing enough when they are over a point a game. They know what draws reactions/engagement.

Right on!

Other than the second period in Game 2, where the Leafs just stopped playing hockey (making plays), they have been in control from the start of the series.

They still have room to improve overall, but if they play the way they are, they will not lose to this opponent very often.

 

[Community]

Dubas was garbage overall, but he also got us Knies, who's been so important. Also McCabe.

He did lots of things wrong here, I mean lots. But it wasn't all horrible, then again he tried to trade Knies + for Hagel.

Toronto declined saying that Knies was a non-starter for them... However, the Leafs showing interest in Hagel is a positive more than anything else given Hagel scored 90 this year.

Dubas did a lot of things right and a lot wrong. Treliving hasn't accomplished anything yet and our prospect pool is bleak with very few picks upcoming after our deals this year. I like our team, but it's super early and there's already plenty to criticize/question Treliving for already.

The Reaves contract was terrible off the bat, overpayment in trades so far (I like the guys we got back this year, but we definitely didn't win on straight value). In addition, if we decide to keep them than not re-signing JT/Marner/Knies earlier appears to have ended up costing a lot more than if we signed them at the start of the year.


All that stuff can be re-evaluated in the offseason. For now, his team is competing and playing well. Let's hope that continues and all of our future problems don't matter nearly if we win 14 more games in these playoffs.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Not sure where I read or heard this last week, but apparently Dubas had one of his patented drop down deals in place for the Knies pick. The deal was done, but the scouting director put his foot down and demanded he take Knies. Thank gawd. I don't think a single one of those deals worked out for the Leafs.

rofl... this is epic. Not that it happened, that anyone believes this kind of stuff. Dubas wasn't perfect, but he also wasn't terrible and made many good moves. It's like because we're up 2-0 people need to try to find ways to make none of this team Dubas' doing. It's only his doing when we lose. Like him or hate him, he did a very good job overall even though he certainly had some misses. Every GM does. Including Treliving, who I think we can all say at this point his good outweighs any bad.

 

[ToneDog]

I think it's time for Domi to make his second impact on the series. Loved the OT winner, but it's time for someone to pound Grieg if he even touches Stolarz again tonight. I can live with the instigator.

Stollie took care of Grieg himself. Surprised at Greig not taking a few swipes back at Stollie and getting a minor for getting one in the back, two slashes and a bodycheck that sent him flying. Sens remind me of Dubas' Leafs who were kept to the perimeter and pushed around with little pushback.

 

[AvroArrow]

rofl... this is epic. Not that it happened, that anyone believes this kind of stuff. Dubas wasn't perfect, but he also wasn't terrible and made many good moves. It's like because we're up 2-0 people need to try to find ways to make none of this team Dubas' doing. It's only his doing when we lose. Like him or hate him, he did a very good job overall even though he certainly had some misses. Every GM does. Including Treliving, who I think we can all say at this point his good outweighs any bad.

LOL Dubas did a very good job overall ? I'll leave it at LOL

Anyways, game 3, f*** Dubas and the Sens, let's get the W

 

[RuudeDog]

rofl... this is epic. Not that it happened, that anyone believes this kind of stuff. Dubas wasn't perfect, but he also wasn't terrible and made many good moves. It's like because we're up 2-0 people need to try to find ways to make none of this team Dubas' doing. It's only his doing when we lose. Like him or hate him, he did a very good job overall even though he certainly had some misses. Every GM does. Including Treliving, who I think we can all say at this point his good outweighs any bad.

 

[tuckerintensity]

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It's from Steve Simmons, that explains everything and only confirms that it's a bunch of bologna.

 

[Leafsfan74]

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Good call if true. Knies is a Gamer. You win Cups with guys like him.

Patches in for Robertson makes sense, especially on the road. He will be fresh and more physical that Robertson and has to be hungry. Robertson being the 12-13th player on a Cup threat team is nothing to be ashamed about, he is still young.

If McMann and/or Domi don't play with what's needed (yes, I know scored the OT winner), they could be in and out also.

 

[crump]

Leafs by height and weight

((heaviest to lightest) for players with the same height.

Player	Position	Height	Weight (lbs)
Jani Hakanpää	D	6'7"	225
Anthony Stolarz	G	6'6"	243
Brandon Carlo	D	6'5"	220
Philippe Myers	D	6'5"	219
Simon Benoit	D	6'4"	211
Steven Lorentz	C	6'4"	216
Matthew Knies	LW	6'3"	227
Auston Matthews	C	6'3"	217
Joseph Woll	G	6'3"	206
Chris Tanev	D	6'3"	199
Bobby McMann	C	6'2"	215
Max Pacioretty	LW	6'2"	217
Ryan Reaves	RW	6'2"	225
Oliver Ekman-Larsson	D	6'2"	192
David Kämpf	C	6'2"	193
Artur Akhtyamov	G	6'1"	167
Scott Laughton	C	6'1"	191
Calle Järnkrok	C	6'0"	191
Pontus Holmberg	RW	6'0"	201
William Nylander	RW	6'0"	202
Mitch Marner	RW	6'0"	180
Dakota Mermis	D	6'0"	197
Jake McCabe	D	6'1"	212
John Tavares	C	6'1"	211
Morgan Rielly	D	6'1"	225
Max Domi	C	5'10"	209
Nicholas Robertson	LW	5'9"	178

Even Domi is over 200 Ibs

 

[Suntouchable13]

rofl... this is epic. Not that it happened, that anyone believes this kind of stuff. Dubas wasn't perfect, but he also wasn't terrible and made many good moves. It's like because we're up 2-0 people need to try to find ways to make none of this team Dubas' doing. It's only his doing when we lose. Like him or hate him, he did a very good job overall even though he certainly had some misses. Every GM does. Including Treliving, who I think we can all say at this point his good outweighs any bad.

Who cares about Dubas? No, he did not do a good job. He sucked. Some good regular season teams, sure, but he had no idea what it actually takes to win. Kept making dumb promises also ("we can and we will" crap) Right now, if the team does good or bad has nothing to do with him anyway. Time to move on.

 

[Lightsol]

Enable Travis Green panic button (again). I think he will try to hard to line match and overcoach this one.

He was bitching about the reffing again yesterday.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Who cares about Dubas? No, he did not do a good job. He sucked. Some good regular season teams, sure, but he had no idea what it actually takes to win. Kept making dumb promises also ("we can and we will" crap) Right now, if the team does good or bad has nothing to do with him anyway. Time to move on.

Seemingly at least three separate posters here who brought him up out of nowhere, and now you.

It's fun seeing you all self implode that his guys are looking this good right now. It's funnier yet that you don't understand that he's not here because he wanted to break up the core four, you know exactly what you all still want mid-first round. It's hilarious, actually.

 

[1specter]

rofl... this is epic. Not that it happened, that anyone believes this kind of stuff. Dubas wasn't perfect, but he also wasn't terrible and made many good moves. It's like because we're up 2-0 people need to try to find ways to make none of this team Dubas' doing. It's only his doing when we lose. Like him or hate him, he did a very good job overall even though he certainly had some misses. Every GM does. Including Treliving, who I think we can all say at this point his good outweighs any bad.

Very good job lol f*** no. I supported the JT signing, I appreciate McCabe, I appreciate him listening to Wes Clark and drafting Knies, and I liked the Muzzin trade when it was made, and I liked the ROR acquisition. The rest was all complete and utter dogshit.