Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
Yep i would have said according to the cap projection you have 5.3 million in cap space with only 18 players signed ! Lol
Is Stamkos signing for 2 million per season?
Speculation: Stammergeddon 2024: Is Stamkos going to re-sign with the Lightning?
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Is Stamkos signing for 2 million per season?
gn2007
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Him making more than pastrnak, marner, or Nylander is laughable. I will say 10 m max on reinhart.
Buyout window is today if stammer goes it's either nashville, detroit, or a surprise team.
I really do think he will stay with tampa though.
The Gongshow
Fire JBB
JBB is losing favour with fans/players and potential players with these lowball offers.
Lowball offer to Killorn and Stamkos. The two longest tenured players, lockeroom leaders and we'll liked guys in the org. How do you think Hedman sees this, seeing his two friends and teammates given shit offers and then think, why the f*** do I wanna be here if JBB doesn't appreciate us or offer reasonable deals, or even make reasonable trades.
GM's can lose the lockeroom too. Gotta think if Stamkos doesn't comeback there's gonna be some unhappy players.
Crunchrulz
Registered User
Perhaps if we star
How can they be "lowball offers" if you do not have the Cap Space to make a decent offer AND fill out your roster with competent supporting players?
Hockeyville USA
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The optics will be quite awful if Jeannot is on the roster in October and Stamkos is not
The Gongshow
Fire JBB
JBB has had 2 summers to re-sign Stammer, including now taking on a 6.25 contract when cap was available for 91. He also stated "we still have cap available for Stamkos" to the media
He knows he has to move Sheary (who was a terrible signing and regular healthy scratch) and possible Jeannot or Perbix to get cap to fix some issues with the team. Instead he's pleaing "we have no cap! Sorry Steven, we can only offer you 3.5mil!" Trying to wait out one of the franchises most important and impactful players. It's pretty disrespectful. If JBB wanted 91 to stay he could have moved heaven and earth to do so, rather than string him around while Stammer has said he's been willing to stay and sign this whole time.
He refuses to dump his failures in Jeannot,Sheary, and one of the Sergachev/Cernak/Cirelli massive overpayments long term deals where their salaries don't match their production or play.
The Gongshow
Fire JBB
GM's in the cap world have a tough time. It's meant to balance teams. But JBB has done a terrible job keeping the ship afloat after winning with what Yzerman built. JBB is good at putting a team over the edge to win, not retooling on the fly.
It's crazy how he can have such a hit with Hagel but then does such boneheaded moves with the 9 other flops.
It's his fault we're in this mess with the over payments and lack of asset management.
Crunchrulz
Registered User
Interesting how so many seem fine with signing Stamkos to whatever Cap Space we have and then filling out the roster with minimum dollar contract NHLers and AHLers. Apparently, the failures of having an exhausted core group by the time post season comes along means nothing.
Rather than facing the fact that the overall quality of the supporting lineup is terrible because nearly 2/3rds of your available Cap Space is tied into six fan favorite contracts, most are blaming a third/fourth line wing who was traded for another disappointing player and draft choices that you usually are more than happy to give away in an effort to win now.
Every organization and their fans need to be able to recognize when it is time to realize the glory days are past and the odds of stumbling into another Championship are gone. The Penguins refused to accept that and look where they are now. The Lightning are poised to follow that same path if they commit the money that Stamkos deserves to him, regardless of the length of the contract.
But hey, if the Crunch Management is happy bringing back the same core veterans who have failed to lead the team over the edge to the next level in an effort to keep the fans happy and money flowing in, why should the parent club be expected not to bring back aging players who are fan favorites as well?
Rather than facing the fact that the overall quality of the supporting lineup is terrible because nearly 2/3rds of your available Cap Space is tied into six fan favorite contracts, most are blaming a third/fourth line wing who was traded for another disappointing player and draft choices that you usually are more than happy to give away in an effort to win now.
Every organization and their fans need to be able to recognize when it is time to realize the glory days are past and the odds of stumbling into another Championship are gone. The Penguins refused to accept that and look where they are now. The Lightning are poised to follow that same path if they commit the money that Stamkos deserves to him, regardless of the length of the contract.
But hey, if the Crunch Management is happy bringing back the same core veterans who have failed to lead the team over the edge to the next level in an effort to keep the fans happy and money flowing in, why should the parent club be expected not to bring back aging players who are fan favorites as well?
Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
Please let this be the last
Stammergeddon that I have to live through thanks JBB
These Are The Days
Oh no! We suck again!!
I still do to a degree so long as we end up with a better team with Stamkos on it and we aren't just copying and pasting the same shit over and over again with guys walking away
Who is saying this? I haven't seen much if it.
Most people are saying we're not going to win either way if $5.3M is all we have. Sign Stamkos with that and fill the rest with plugs = loss. Let Stamkos walk and try to replace him and fill the other holes with just $5.3M = bigger loss.
That's why most people on here understand the best way out of this is trading away major cap.
Felonious Python
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We have Armahedman to look forward to next year.
Point21
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i feel like Hedman signs an extension july 1st like hes done before
Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
ccman68
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if JBB f***s up this summer i will agree that he should be gone. right now though he hasn’t made a single move yet so let’s maybe have some patience for once. if he ends up shipping out sheary and jeannot and signing stamkos a lot of these comments are gonna look dumb as shit
Crunchrulz
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What major cap are you going to trade away that is not going to create the same type of hole that not signing Stamkos does?
Cernak and Serge both are considered part of the core, are younger than Stamkos, and play defense. Getting rid of Sheary and Jeannot is not going to solve the problem, especially if the cost to get rid of one or both of them outweighs keeping them. Tampa Bay does not have the prospects to throw into a deal as incentive any longer, that pipeline is nearly dry thanks to the awesome back-to-back championship run.
If Tampa Bay fans feel that trading away a younger defenseman to keep an aging fan favorite who has become a liability at full strength and is more of a power play specialist than an all-around player will solve the problem, then perhaps some are not as hockey savvy as they think they are.
The Gongshow
Fire JBB
Stamkos walks and then we replace him with bottom 6 guys? We still don't have cap to sign anyone notable or even remotely close to PPG, let alone 60. Stamkos makes sense since he's still producing and will hopefully take a discount. Why the hell would any other top 6 player take a discount to play in Tampa. They have no affiliation with the team. Stamkos has taken 1 discount so everyone's hope is he takes another, within reason. More cap space needs to be opened REGARDLESS of the 91 signing.
Maybe the reason no one can actually provide names is because there aren't many good options this year, so again, 91 becomes the best available option
What do you suggest is the best option then?
Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
