Value of: Stamkos?

[Soundgarden]

Honestly if Boeser doesn't want to re-sign in Vancouver and Chytil has trouble staying healthy and Nashville is keen on dumping Stammer, we'd trade Chytil and perhaps something else for Stamkos (what do you guys think about adding either Evangelista or Svechkov [what's his NHL upside]? What do the Preds need?)

Stamkos - Petey - Hoglander
DeBrusk - Suter - Lekkerimaki?
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
DOC - Aman/ Raty - Sherwood

Lol, we're not adding Evangelista or Svechkov to get rid of Stamkos.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

I don't really think Stamkos is the problem. Maybe a small problem, but we don't need cap space and we sure don't have anyone able to replace even his 25-30 goals at this point.

I don't see the reason to move him. Most on our board can rattle off a quick dozen problems with the current team and I would be surprised if Stamkos is on most of those lists. I think what we saw this year is probably what he is until he decides to hang them up. His shot is still really good at this point. He might get slower, but he will probably be a PP asset until he stops playing.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Is this a rebuild situation in Nashville? Or a retooling kind of deal?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Our "urgency" to get rid of the Stamkos contract is completely non-existent in Nashville. If we're not going to be a competitive team, which seems very likely, we're probably not even going to spend to the rising Cap over the remaining term of his contract. So he can get older and score even less, and it probably doesn't really matter much?

I'd give him away just so that Brunette isn't tempted to play him 20 or 21 minutes some nights, but honestly if a new coach could pull him back to 15 minutes as a PP specialist and find a way to give some younger players a little more opportunity, then there's really no reason to panic about paying Stamkos too much.

I also would like to free up the NMC slot assuming the next Expansion Draft comes before the end of his contract too. I'd rather protect a younger player. But I guess that's about the only thing that would introduce any "urgency" to dumping him. And if he's willing to waive his NMC for a trade, then hopefully he'd waive it for Expansion just as readily, so I'm not sure the conversation is any different? If Expansion comes and he won't waive, I'd be willing to look at buying him out in the last year of his deal. Maybe by that time, that's when we could look at trading Stamkos at negative value, if the negative value return was a lesser hit than his buyout? But as of today, we don't have Expansion on the calendar, so no rush.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Is this a rebuild situation in Nashville? Or a retooling kind of deal?

Trotz doesn't believe in "rebuild"... so he'll keep trying to sign veteran UFAs in the hopes of putting up as many wins as possible as soon as possible.

But that's what he did last summer, and now we've got a top-5 pick to show for it. So I'm not sure it matters what you call it. Preds could suck for years completely unintentionally if he can't figure out how to be a GM, and it would be the same net result as a "rebuild".

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Is this a rebuild situation in Nashville? Or a retooling kind of deal?

We'll see what's up Barry's sleeve this summer to know. Probably a bit of both.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Is this a rebuild situation in Nashville? Or a retooling kind of deal?

When you find out, please let Barry know so he can update the rest of the organization. That dude is as lost as last years Easter eggs.

 

[vokiel]

Not a whole lot, but there might be interest in Montreal if the price is cheap with or without retention.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Not a whole lot, but there might be interest in Montreal if the price is cheap with or without retention.

Eh probably not.

Habs already have Laine who floats and feeds off the PP.

 

[vokiel]

Eh probably not.

Habs already have Laine who floats and feeds off the PP.

Yep.. so ... Base: Laine for Stamkos

 

[glenngineer]

Watching Stamkos for a season doesn’t make me believe he’s cooked. I’ve never seen a team of players have an inability to feed a guy the puck in his sweet spot as much as the Preds. Pucks are constantly in his feet or too slow getting to him or just off target with speed.

IF he had a guy who could get him the puck consistently in his sweet spot, he’d put up a fair amount of goals, especially on the PP.

To the TB fans, where was Point deployed on the PP? The reason I ask is Forsberg is on the right point/half wall and it doesn’t work with Stamkos on the left faceoff dot.

 

[Scoresberg]

Unfortunately, I think last summer Trotz build a retirement home for the older guys he signed / had signed. Stammer, Marchy and ROR will most likely play out their contracts in Nashville, collect their fat paychecks without paying state tax and just continue to fade off into the sunset without any hope or pressure of being a relevant team.

That's culture building for you a la Barry Trotz!

 

[Chainshot]

I wouldn't trade Stamkos until we try him under a useful coach in Nashville. Bruno's coaching decisions have been pretty brutal in my opinion.

Wait, wait, wait. We were assured, ASSURED, that the Devils success a few years ago when they set their team record for best regular season was all -- ALL -- due to Anbrew Brewnette. How could it be that he's not a good coach?

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Why for the Preds? We have no cap issues, we don't need to ditch the contract, and nothing coming back from Detroit does anything for the roster now or in the future.

Preds will move him, possibly with retention, if a deal benefits them. Otherwise he can collect his overpriced paycheck for 3 more seasons on a crappy team...or retire.

Preds only take back $13M of bad contracts and can more quickly move onto the next phase of their organization. IMO, that's about half the cost of the remaining SS contract they shouldn't have given out, so that's a pretty good incentive IMO.

SS isn't going to retire and leave $24M of cash on the table.

 

[triggrman]

Wait, wait, wait. We were assured, ASSURED, that the Devils success a few years ago when they set their team record for best regular season was all -- ALL -- due to Anbrew Brewnette. How could it be that he's not a good coach?

Sounds like he must have had a good boss keeping him in line.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Preds only take back $13M of bad contracts and can more quickly move onto the next phase of their organization. IMO, that's about half the cost of the remaining SS contract they shouldn't have given out, so that's a pretty good incentive IMO.

SS isn't going to retire and leave $24M of cash on the table.

It doesn't sound like much incentive at all, actually? Stamkos is owed $22.5M remaining, and 2/3rds of that on a buyout is $15M, so giving us $13M back in utterly useless player contracts isn't noticeably better than a buyout. For all that Stamkos is overpaid and overutilized by the current coach, he's still a useful player overall.

Again, the Preds won't take any negative value back for Stamkos. Zero value? Well, I would, but Trotz certainly wouldn't. So making these offers of contract dumps and whatnot is just a waste of your time even proposing it. It's not happening. Even me saying I'd give him and his whole contract away for free is a waste of my time too, because even THAT is not happening.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

It doesn't sound like much incentive at all, actually? Stamkos is owed $22.5M remaining, and 2/3rds of that on a buyout is $15M, so giving us $13M back in utterly useless player contracts isn't noticeably better than a buyout. For all that Stamkos is overpaid and overutilized by the current coach, he's still a useful player overall.

Again, the Preds won't take any negative value back for Stamkos. Zero value? Well, I would, but Trotz certainly wouldn't. So making these offers of contract dumps and whatnot is just a waste of your time even proposing it. It's not happening. Even me saying I'd give him and his whole contract away for free is a waste of my time too, because even THAT is not happening.

I'm not disagreeing with you on general principal. One thing to consider is if the Preds buy out SS - the impact of that goes on for 6 years vs. a 2/1 for Copp/Holl.

Initial	Savings	Cap Hit
$8,000,000	$4,916,667	$3,083,333
$8,000,000	$3,166,667	$4,833,333
$8,000,000	$2,916,667	$5,083,333
	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333
	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333
	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333

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[Porter Stoutheart]

I'm not disagreeing with you on general principal. One thing to consider is if the Preds buy out SS - the impact of that goes on for 6 years vs. a 2/1 for Copp/Holl.

Anyway, the only way even a buyout would happen is if:
a) Stamkos reaches a stage of being truly cooked (which is not currently the case)
+
b) an Expansion Draft occurs while he still has term left on his contract
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c) Stamkos refuses to waive his NMC

So we're not talking about a buyout with 3 years of term left anyway. By the time the Preds reach that stage with Stamkos, if ever, there's probably at most only 1 year left on his contract. And the purpose of considering it isn't to save money/Cap anyway, it's to free up the protection slot for the Expansion Draft.

But who knows if that time ever comes, or what the landscape will look like if it does. There might be teams trying to make the floor, Stamkos might rather have his full final year salary instead of the buyout reduction and be willing to waive, there might be a trade offer that cheapens the cost for the Preds relative to the buyout, etc.

Lots of different things could be in play in June, 2027. But that's probably the earliest that a Stamkos move comes up - from the Preds' side anyway. Of course if Stamkos requests a trade from his side before that, that's different, but again, the Preds won't be taking on a negative return just in order to accommodate his wishes.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Preds only take back $13M of bad contracts and can more quickly move onto the next phase of their organization. IMO, that's about half the cost of the remaining SS contract they shouldn't have given out, so that's a pretty good incentive IMO.

SS isn't going to retire and leave $24M of cash on the table.

At some point before he's done Stamkos may be able to return something of value to a team looking for an extra scoring threat/PP shooter. He also isn't preventing the Preds from moving on to the next phase...they are trash and about to pick top 5 even with him--the damage is already mostly done in terms of him taking a roster spot from a prospect/young player.

The only incentive to move him now would be if the assets we get for him are more valuable to us now/in the future than he is. Copp and Holl would be placeholder warm bodies and a 3rd doesn't move the needle.