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Value of: Stamkos?

From the Preds side, I would give Stamkos and his whole contract away for free, but I wouldn't pay somebody to take him nor would I take equivalent-term negative value player assets back for him.

Maybe at most I'd retain $2M and say you could have Stammer at $6M for free? If I thought I had a good line on useful ways to spend that $6M saved on July 1st. But still no draft picks attached, no salary dumps coming back to the Preds. Otherwise, he's still an ok player, he'll get 25 goals, second-best on our team, and it's not like we have anybody else pushing for his job atm, nor do we have any likelihood of attracting any better UFAs who we'd need the Cap space for.
 
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herzausstein said:
I wouldn't trade Stamkos until we try him under a useful coach in Nashville. Bruno's coaching decisions have been pretty brutal in my opinion.
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I think this is the most logical course of action. At 35, and three more years at $8 million, no amount of rising cap is going to make teams all that interested right now. Brunette's in the second year of his 4 year deal.
 
BLNY said:
I think this is the most logical course of action. At 35, and three more years at $8 million, no amount of rising cap is going to make teams all that interested right now. Brunette's in the second year of his 4 year deal.
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If Bruno makes it through his entire 4 years after his terrible tenure up to this point, I'd be shocked. Otherwise, Bruno loves playing aging vets over any younger talent.... in which case trading Stamkos would be counter intuitive to the coaches preference.

It isn't like Nashville needs capspace
 
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herzausstein said:
If Bruno makes it through his entire 4 years after his terrible tenure up to this point, I'd be shocked. Otherwise, Bruno loves playing aging vets over any younger talent.... in which case trading Stamkos would be counter intuitive to the coaches preference.

It isn't like Nashville needs capspace
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Given attrition, it would seem more likely Brunette gets fired before completing his contract. I was agreeing that getting someone in there that could use Stamkos more effectively, or with a system that might favour him better, would be the way to go before trying to trade him.
 
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I'm not sure Stamkos gets any better under a different coach? Maybe with a different playmaker on his line?

The Nashville PP isn't awful, but there is certainly no Kucherov feeding him. The only way IMHO to make Stamkos more effective is to give him another Kucherov, not another coach.

Under another coach he just won't play as much as he does for Bruno... which won't help his production. It might help make the team better. But it won't make Stamkos any better. :dunno:
 
SeanMoneyHands said:
Can Trotz pull off a Dubois like flip this summer? I think the Preds should move on from stamkos and see if they can do a 1 for 1 swap for another bad contract and hope for the best. It worked out for the Kings in getting rid of Dubious just 1 year after signing him.
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Much different situation. Stammer is in the twilight of his career and will likely continue to regress. He’s making 8 mill/per for 3 more years. PLD was still 25 or just turned 26 and still had upside potential. (And it’s looked like a good gamble for Washington at this point)
 
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I think if Nashville were to retain a couple million so his cap hit was around $5-6 million, some teams would be interested. Carolina loves to go bargain bin shopping like when they traded for Burns, so maybe them given they lost Necas/Rantanen?
 
Given Nashville isn't competing, it doesn't matter much. If they were competing, I'd find a uniform he was allergic to, and put him on LTIR. Ok, Ok, it's not that easy, but it would be the best outcome for all. He's not going to get better elsewhere, or under a different coach. Great career, unfortunately he's cooked.
 
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Like others have said we don't really need to get rid of his contract and he can rebound under a competent coach. He has 23 goals which isn't horrible, if he can manage to score 31 it'd be the 7th most in a season for us...which is pathetic.
 
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No Stamkos is a negative asset now he is almost unmovable and has a NMC.

Nashville should not have signed him. Tampa did a great job trading in him to clear room for Guentzel. That’s how you stay competitive. Good job Tampa.
 
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Obviously a rough season, but he still has a shot at 30 goals. Dude will produce in the right spot. If Nash magically retains, someone will get a steal.
 
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I said Tampa should give up a 1st for him at 50% retained, don't know why it wasn't done. Nashville is cooked and needs to sell everybody while they still have value and he'd be sniping 30-40 for the foreseeable future with Kuch in TB.
 
Andrew Copp (2 years @ 5M + Justin Holl (1 year at 3M) + 3rd round pick for stamkos @ full cap hit

Stamkos - Larkin - Raymond
Debrincat - Kasper - Kane seems solid
 
WingsToPick4th said:
Andrew Copp (2 years @ 5M + Justin Holl (1 year at 3M) + 3rd round pick for stamkos @ full cap hit

Stamkos - Larkin - Raymond
Debrincat - Kasper - Kane seems solid
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Why for the Preds? We have no cap issues, we don't need to ditch the contract, and nothing coming back from Detroit does anything for the roster now or in the future.

Preds will move him, possibly with retention, if a deal benefits them. Otherwise he can collect his overpriced paycheck for 3 more seasons on a crappy team...or retire.
 
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Honestly if Boeser doesn't want to re-sign in Vancouver and Chytil has trouble staying healthy and Nashville is keen on dumping Stammer, we'd trade Chytil and perhaps something else for Stamkos (what do you guys think about adding either Evangelista or Svechkov [what's his NHL upside]? What do the Preds need?)

Stamkos - Petey - Hoglander
DeBrusk - Suter - Lekkerimaki?
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
DOC - Aman/ Raty - Sherwood
 
Those two situations aren't comparable, OP. Dubois wasn't an old player on a bad contract. He was a bad fit for a Kings team that saw resurgent play (or at least no dip) from their existing top two centers in Kopitar and Danault. That left them tasking an $8.5M player in his prime to play third-line center.

The Caps added Dubois based on a belief that the Kings weren't putting him out there in a position to succeed and that he would have more opportunity in Washington to play regularly in a top-six capacity, by contrast. Their decision was based on his deployment in LA. They liked him dating to his days in Winnipeg, when they first tried to trade for him.

Stamkos is old, has fallen off precipitously, and everyone has seen it. He also has full NMC protection. (Dubois doesn't have a partial NMC until 2028-29). He stays in Nashville at least one more year, and then might start being a buyout candidate.
 
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PettersonHughes said:
Honestly if Boeser doesn't want to re-sign in Vancouver and Chytil has trouble staying healthy and Nashville is keen on dumping Stammer, we'd trade Chytil and perhaps something else for Stamkos (what do you guys think about adding either Evangelista or Svechkov [what's his NHL upside]? What do the Preds need?)

Stamkos - Petey - Hoglander
DeBrusk - Suter - Lekkerimaki?
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
DOC - Aman/ Raty - Sherwood
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No interest in adding either of Evangelista or Svechkov...or anything. We don't need to dump the contract
 
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