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One way we got some picks this year was moving some of our players and taking salary back. Won't Stamkos 10.5-12 million CAP HIT hinder that ability ?
Stamkos Debate - PostDeadline 2016
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Stephen
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The Leafs have $17 million in cap space as of this moment for 2017, before anything's happened to Bozak and Lupul and Cowen yet.
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If Stamkos has an 11ish million cap hit the a leafs salary cap situation will still be fine for the next few seasons, it's the 3+ ones that are a concern.
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Stephen
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Why sign Stamkos for $10 million when you can have Vrbata and Boedker combined for $11 million!
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Hmm… useless…. well, let's examine the argument shall we?
Scoring is clearly not down across the NHL.
Your hypothesis is that it is down amongst the league's top scorers as a result of the team utilizing more players across minutes and distributing the offense.
Meaning that the variance is dropping between the top players and the bottom players… presumably as a result of these systems/utilization.
Correct?
So if scoring isn't down across the NHL and scoring IS down amongst the top scorers, then presumably it is the middle of the pack player that is making up the difference.
Correct?
So if they are filling the gap… and the net apparently… why in the hell would any team load up their cap on a single player that will produce with only a slight variance to a middle of the pack player??
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And need to resign kadri, Rielly, a goalie, carrick,Holland or equvilant, and potentially vet defenseman.
Tighter than it looks.
Gary Nylund
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Not as tight as it will be 3-4 years from now if a few prospects develop like we hope they will.
And that's precisely why I don't want to sign stamkos to anything significant. Stay the course.
johnny_rudeboy
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Is it worth trading for Stamkos after this season so that we can sign him to an 8-year contract instead of a 7 year contract, that is the limit for players signed from free agency?
Stephen
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If it came down to re-signing Kadri or taking a run at Stamkos, I'm not re-signing Kadri.
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u would have to put a contender together if u get stamkos
u get a guy like that to win now
we'd have to get a top 2 d
does kadri plus Pitts 1st get u someone like shattenkirk?
Burke probably does that but I doubt shanny and co. want to mortgage significant future assets
u get a guy like that to win now
we'd have to get a top 2 d
does kadri plus Pitts 1st get u someone like shattenkirk?
Burke probably does that but I doubt shanny and co. want to mortgage significant future assets
Stephen
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I'm not really in a hurry to get him the 8th year, but if Tampa wants to recuperate something at the draft and make that sign and trade so we can get out from under Bozak, and we throw in a surplus B prospect and a 2nd round pick (sort of like getting anything back for St. Louis) I'd be willing to look into it.
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I honestly do not want Stamkos. I love him and would love to have him in a Leafs jersey, but not anything above 8.9m. Plus he will want longterm and that constrains us with the emergence of Nylander, Rielly, Marner, 2016 pick etc.. Amongst the many other prospects that will flush through our system. I feel as though this process is just for media attention and I doubt it will happen
Gary Nylund
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And I totally understand where you're coming from. If we can get him for a fair price though, how can you not do it? So the question becomes (for me anyway), what's a fair price? To answer that question, you have to be able to take a pretty good educated guess as to how he's going to perform over the next 7 years, now that' tough to do (with all due respect to all those that say "it's Steven freaking Stamkos for crissakes"). All I can say is that we seem to have a good management team in place so hopefully they'll make a smart decision.
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Once
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I know the former and the latter.
But considering that these players are projected to be top 6 players or of some sort of deserving value, i'd keep my money and focus on developing them. Yeah, some may not 'emerge' but the chances they will are too risky to put the organization in constraining circumstances.
Stephen
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Every few days I have to cut and paste this:
Forward 1: $11 million
Forward 2: $8 million
Forward 3: $7 million
Forward 4: $5 million
Forward 5: $4 million
Forward 6: $2.5 million
Forward 7: $2.5 million
Forward 8: $1.5 million Veteran Project
Forward 9: $1.5 million Veteran Project
Forward 10: $1.5 million Veteran Project
Forward 11: $900,000 ELC
Forward 12: $900,000 ELC
Defenseman 1: $8 million
Defenseman 2 $6 million
Defenseman 3 $5 million
Defenseman 4 $3 million
Defenseman 5 $2 million
Defenseman 6 $2 million Veteran
Defenseman 7 $900,000 ELC
Goalie 1: $6 million
Goalie 2: $1 million
Remember when Kadri came up in his first training camp and looked like a man possessed and the niftiest scorer ever? Seven years after his draft, he's still a second liner and makes less than $4.5 million. You can't count your chickens before they hatch and it's a difficult argument to make to pass on a great player because you have prospects.
Does a Stamkos hurt of help their development? A lot of contracts fall off by the time those guys are up for renewal,
Once
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I never thought Kadri would be more than a 2nd liner. Adding Stamkos tests the patience of management with the rebuild and I think it would be wrong to pay him any more than 9mil.
What happens if our excellent management and coaching staff develops great players and Stamkos does not live up to his 9m-12m contract (which I am pessimistic about). You are stuck with a poor contract and we lose important role players.
All in all, I love Stamkos, but not in TO. I want this team to be built from the ground up without help from a big FA splash. I am tired of this organization paying players outrageous money and we didn't even develop them in our own system. This is a step back in my opinion.
Clark4Ever
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Our young players coming up are all going to be under team control for several years. If we sign Stamkos to a long term deal at a 10 million dollar cap hit, it won't necessarily hinder our ability to keep our young core together for the duration of his contract.
Once
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I don't think he helps or hurts the development. But I think it will constrain the organization during a time where we will need to manage our budget to make a run.
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