SSM Greyhounds 2023 - 2024 Season Thread (Part 3)

[OHLfan200]

I guess I should rephrase the question. What has he done to show that he deserves to be the starter? He's never performed well in a Greyhounds uniform, even with an excellent defense this season.

Excellent defence?
4 out of the 8 goals Guelph has scored have been power play goals. Thats bad defence on the PK and usually you’re taking a penalty because you’re getting beat defensively. Opposing forwards are constantly left wide open in front of the net because the forwards are cheating towards centre ice. There was nothing defensive about the Greyhounds game tonight, let alone excellent. I know you meant all season, but it would be crazy to think these problems just magically arose in the playoffs.
I re-watched the fourth goal 3 times tonight. It starts with a missed pinch at the Hounds blue line by Kirill, leading to a misplayed 2 on 1 by Gibson. All the while Allard leaves the goal scorer all alone for the tap in. Thats 3 veteran guys all making an error leading to the goal.
Kirill and Carlisle are the only consistent guys back there and one D and a goalie can’t be expected to defend a whole d zone.

 

[Houndzfan20]

Excellent defence?
4 out of the 8 goals Guelph has scored have been power play goals. Opposing forwards are constantly left wide open in front of the net because the forwards are cheating towards centre ice. There was nothing defensive about the Greyhounds game tonight, let alone excellent. I know you meant all season, but it would be crazy to think these problems just magically arose in the playoffs.
I re-watched the fourth goal 3 times tonight. It starts with a missed pinch at the Hounds blue line by Kirill, leading to a misplayed 2 on 1 by Gibson. All the while Allard leaves the goal scorer all alone for the tap in. Thats 3 veteran guys all making an error leading to the goal.
Kirill and Carlisle are the only consistent guys back there and one D and a goalie can’t be expected to defend a whole d zone.

Good points. I agree kirill and Carlisle have been fantastic. Karki has been good. I actually like the way Evans has been playing and as long as he can stay away from stupid penalties, I think he will be alright. Gibson played better tonight but imo in the soo he wasn't good.

Good thing is, we have a stranglehold on this series now. No guarantees, but we are a hard team to beat 4 of 7 and have some time to figure it out lol

 

[OHLfan200]

Good points. I agree kirill and Carlisle have been fantastic. Karki has been good. I actually like the way Evans has been playing and as long as he can stay away from stupid penalties, I think he will be alright. Gibson played better tonight but imo in the soo he wasn't good.

Good thing is, we have a stranglehold on this series now. No guarantees, but we are a hard team to beat 4 of 7 and have some time to figure it out lol

You’re right. A win is a win at the end of the day. And they do a lot of great things. Kirill and Gibson are shot blocking machines. I just find d zone coverage leads to a ton of quality scoring chances. Super unfair to Charlie or Miller for an opposing forward to have so much time and space right in front of our net sometimes.

 

[Fischhaber]

I was mistaken and thought the powerplay had ended before the final goal. Sorry.

 

[StormWatcher]

We can all assign different numbers to it, but I did say it wasn't the right call in that situation.

That being said, I get where the refs are coming from. You see contact to the head and the helmet flies off, it probably looks pretty bad on the ice.

The worst call of the game was the high stick on Virgilio, like 10 seconds after it happened due to embellishment from the Guelph player. That led to the Paquette goal. Overall though, the Hounds got away with some stuff in the third and the officiating favoured us a bit.

What a BS take. I was above the infraction in person, it was a high stick...

 

[Fischhaber]

What a BS take. I was above the infraction in person, it was a high stick...

You can’t make calls that late. A ridiculous amount of time passed between the supposed high stick and the call. I don't know if I've seen with so much time in between before. The ref obviously didn't see the play and reacted to the player's embellishment.

It's the same as the issue with the last call. The ref sees high contact and the helmet comes off. Did he get a clear view of the play? Probably not, but it sure looks like a head check from his angle.

 

[Living Vicariously]

like an alternate universe lol

So it’s not just me seeing that he wears heavily tinted glasses? Lol

 

[Riverfront]

Not to be a downer however, the hounds have not played that great in this series.
i think they were fortunate they won game 1 and in game 3 down 4-1 with namesnikov,
bowman, karabella out of the line-up argueably 3 of the top forwards on the team,
who log big minutes, hounds needed overtime to win. Defensively and in goal ( schenkel)
needs to be much better or saginaw will win 4 straight in the next series.
hopefully Beck and T. Hayes will return soon, who i think are probably the smartest 2
forwards on the team. Landon Miller won game 4 for the hounds, he stopped i believe
5 break away chances and 3 of those break away chances happened with the greyhounds
on the power play. Carlisle and Karil have played decent but Gibson which is a surprise,
Karki defensively and Virgilio need to play alot better on the defensive side of the game.
Gibson seems really hesitant and not assurtive. Offensively Dezoette, no shifts in third
period in game 3 and Brown 1 shift in the third period in game 3.

 

[HockeyPops]

I thought the team played really poorly in front of Schenkel last night. I give him a pass on that game. Miller, however, was lights out.

Schenkel has been pretty consistent all year, but he's not the kind of goalie who is going to steal you a game. Miller does seem to have that extra level to his game, and we might just need the ability to steal games next series. Moving forward, if Schenkel falters and Miller again rises to the challenge, there is a very real possibility that Miller takes over the net.

 

[Fischhaber]

Starting goalies on playoff teams this year (Min. 30 games)

1. Leenders .909
2. George .907
3. Oster .905
4. Simpson .905
5. MacKenzie .901
6. Hillebrandt .899
7. Gillespie .898
8. Parsons .897
9. DiVincentiis .895
10. Drobac .892
11. Oke .890
12. Miller .889
13. Gaudreau .889
14. West .888
15. Schenkel .883 (.840 in playoffs)
16. Robertson .882
17. Vaccari .880
18. Vandenberg .878
19. LaLonde .869
20. Day .868
21. Vondras .861

Other than the goalie graveyard known as Sudbury, Schenkel is the worst starting goalie on what I would call a real championship contender (No disrespect meant to Kingston or Flint) by a full 7 points. Guys like Gillespie, Parsons, and Dom D are what I would call decent goaltenders on a Championship team. Above that is good and below that is poor.

I'm done with giving free passes because he's 19. I get that we gave up chances, but we can't have a goalie almost costing a win in 2 of the 3 games so far. We're not going on a run without excellent goaltending either way. At least Miller has shown signs that he can be that guy. Schenkel hasn't.

 

[SSMHoundsFan]

Not to be a downer however, the hounds have not played that great in this series.
i think they were fortunate they won game 1 and in game 3 down 4-1 with namesnikov,
bowman, karabella out of the line-up argueably 3 of the top forwards on the team,
who log big minutes, hounds needed overtime to win. Defensively and in goal ( schenkel)
needs to be much better or saginaw will win 4 straight in the next series.
hopefully Beck and T. Hayes will return soon, who i think are probably the smartest 2
forwards on the team. Landon Miller won game 4 for the hounds, he stopped i believe
5 break away chances and 3 of those break away chances happened with the greyhounds
on the power play. Carlisle and Karil have played decent but Gibson which is a surprise,
Karki defensively and Virgilio need to play alot better on the defensive side of the game.
Gibson seems really hesitant and not assurtive. Offensively Dezoette, no shifts in third
period in game 3 and Brown 1 shift in the third period in game 3.

Guelph plays a vey specific defensive style game which has hindered our ability to generate chances like we are used to. Most of our goals have been either a fluke or on the PP, I can't say for certain we've been scoring the way we are used to. Alas this is playoffs and as long as it crosses the red line, I will accept it though

 

[HockeyPops]

It's a shame that comeback win was somewhat overshadowed by a poor call leading to the PP winner. I really liked where the Greyhounds were at in that game having clawed back to tie it and having all the momentum, even without the refs deciding the game for them. Let's try not to take too much away from the team for battling back the way they did and finishing the job.

Sure, Miller had to be on his A game to give the team a chance. The Hounds chose to open up the game once they were down by 3, and that meant lots of great opportunities for Guelph to put the game out of reach. But opening up the game was probably the only way the Greyhounds are able to battle back and tie it up.

Hopefully game 4 shows a return to some semblance of defensive structure. Because that game was not it.

 

[BehindSooNet]

Okay - there has rightly been a lot of attention to the bad call at the end of the third. What has been lost sight of is the fact the Hounds staged a pretty remarkable comeback from being down 4 to 1. To put it another way, Guelph blew a significant lead in their home barn.

Reality: Guelph has NOT been good in the 3rd period. Last night we held them to 6 shots on net. In fact, Guelph has scored ZERO goals and managed a total of only 18 shots on net in the 3rd period of the first three games of this series.

 

[Fischhaber]

We're holding Guelph to less than 6 shots per period. Defensive miscues in game 3 aside, I don't think we've seen that in the playoffs for a while. We've had a minimum of 2/3 of possession and scoring chances. They just have to limit the breakaways somehow.

 

[DWI Dale]

the venn diagram of the person reporting posts and the person taking immature potshots at other posters is a circle. talk about telling on yourself lol.

 

[Fischhaber]

What do you guys think of Brown and Evans? I think both have been really good in this series, both being 06's. Brown could take a big leap next year with more ice time if he plays like this.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

I thought there was head contact made on Karki on the follow through of the hit, where a lot of players like to hide it or mask it as a good hit. If you’re good enough you’ll get away with it. I believe a couple posters mentioned it during game 1…… No reason his arms and hands are up that high on “ a clean shoulder to shoulder check”. It seems to me that the issue isn’t the call though.. it’s when the call was made.

You know..I still have an issue with a little non call that was made in game 1 and I have an issue with a little kicking goal that happened in game 3 too but I’m not crying nonstop about it.

 

[Fischhaber]

I thought there was head contact made on Karki on the follow through of the hit, where a lot of players like to hide it or mask it as a good hit. If you’re good enough you’ll get away with it. I believe a couple posters mentioned it during game 1…… No reason his arms and hands are up that high on “ a clean shoulder to shoulder check”. It seems to me that the issue isn’t the call though.. it’s when the call was made.

You know..I still have an issue with a little non call that was made in game 1 and I have an issue with a little kicking goal that happened in game 3 too but I’m not crying nonstop about it.




Also, lets not act like we ALL haven’t hit that report button one or two times when we didnt need to lol

The helmet doesn't come off like that unless there's head contact. If you look at where ref Jackson is, I can understand that it looked worse that it was.

That being said, it's certainly the wrong call at that juncture of the game. They should have reviewed it.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

The helmet doesn't come off like that unless there's head contact. If you look at where ref Jackson is, I can understand that it looked worse that it was.

That being said, it's certainly the wrong call at that juncture of the game. They should have reviewed it.

The only way to review it is if it's a 5 minute. the contact justified a two-minute but not a 5 in my opinion. The officials are under a ton of pressure after game 1 where they DIDNT call a penalty that was a penalty, you cant blame them, and after i slowed it down i agree it was a 2. If he just had made the normal check with no high hands or arms or whatever, he would be fine.

The worst call of the game was the high stick on Virgilio, like 10 seconds after it happened due to embellishment from the Guelph player. That led to the Paquette goal. Overall though, the Hounds got away with some stuff in the third and the officiating favoured us a bit.

The worst call of the game was the kicking goal allowed in. That was a clear kicking motion, the Guelph commentators agreed.

 

[Fischhaber]

The only way to review it is if it's a 5 minute. the contact justified a two-minute but not a 5 in my opinion. The officials are under a ton of pressure after game 1 where they DIDNT call a penalty that was a penalty, you cant blame them, and after i slowed it down i agree it was a 2. If he just had made the normal check with no high hands or arms or whatever, he would be fine.

I don't agree that it's a penalty at that point in a playoff game, but it's not as egregious as some make it out to be. There were worse calls made in that game (for both teams), as you mentioned.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

I don't agree that it's a penalty at that point in a playoff game, but it's not as egregious as some make it out to be. There were worse calls made in that game (for both teams).

considering what happened in game 1 and the loss of Barker in the season, any head contact should be called. We should be all about the protection of players NOT the protection of the outcome of the game, just my opinion.

 

[southsideIrish]

I watched almost the whole game, great game - and yeah the call at the end was controversial...but not the egregiously horrible call the announcers were making it out to be.

Guelph blew a 4-1 lead at home and had several chances (breakaways etc) to put the game away and didn't. They seemed outplayed for long stretches of the game too.

 

[OHL4Life]

It's a shame that comeback win was somewhat overshadowed by a poor call leading to the PP winner. I really liked where the Greyhounds were at in that game having clawed back to tie it and having all the momentum, even without the refs deciding the game for them. Let's try not to take too much away from the team for battling back the way they did and finishing the job.

Sure, Miller had to be on his A game to give the team a chance. The Hounds chose to open up the game once they were down by 3, and that meant lots of great opportunities for Guelph to put the game out of reach. But opening up the game was probably the only way the Greyhounds are able to battle back and tie it up.

Hopefully game 4 shows a return to some semblance of defensive structure. Because that game was not it.

looks like i talked too soon lol

 

[Fischhaber]

I watched almost the whole game, great game - and yeah the call at the end was controversial...but not the egregiously horrible call the announcers were making it out to be.

Guelph blew a 4-1 lead at home and had several chances (breakaways etc) to put the game away and didn't. They seemed outplayed for long stretches of the game too.

Guelph went 12 minutes without a shot to end the first and second and then another 11 minute stretch to end the game. They had some a couple of strong stretches, but the Greyhounds dominated most of the game in terms of possession. They just couldn't capitalize on chances and had some goaltending issues.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

I think the OHL just admitted they made a mistake on the video review for the kick...( I forgot about the Barrie no goal)

OHL Announces Changes to Video Review Procedure for Duration of 2024 Playoffs - Ontario Hockey League

The OHL today announced that it has introduced changes to its video replay procedure, specifically in instances of goals placed under video review.

chl.ca