Spiraling Costs in Minor Hockey

Corso

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We don't really discuss this much but mark my words, this is going to be a HUGE PROBLEM with the over-all health of the game....a good piece by Topher Scott....

 
To be fair, the costs for any travel sports program can be massive. My cousin played travel baseball throughout grade school and high school, and he seemingly got darted across the Midwest more often than he was in school. Have no clue how much was spent on him for that, and while he was a damn good pitcher at his level, he never got drafted back in the day when the MLB draft was enormous, so apparently even that didn't elevate his skill and profile to warrant rookie-level or indy league consideration.

But it has been pretty well-discussed and acknowledged that the cost of getting into hockey is the biggest reason for why the sport is more niche than football, baseball, and basketball.

As a dad with a young son, let me readily say that I'm very happy that my son's into basketball. Cheap, easy to organize, and about as simple and straightforward as anything to play just about anywhere. Nothing about that is the case for getting into hockey, from time commitment, to intial and subsequent investments into equipment, to general hassle of getting ice time, etc., etc.
 
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Yeah, I don't really see the problem. I had one kid who was athletic enough to be able to play Tier 1. It really did cost at least $20k per year to "keep up with the Joneses". He played with and against NHL draft picks. It's fun while it lasts... if you can afford it. But there is absolutely NO SHORTAGE of players in this category, so it really doesn't affect the overall product at the level of pro hockey. Yes, some kids who can't afford it get left by the wayside. Flip side, kids who CAN afford it - and can afford to further ramp it up to $50k or $100k per year even - get a level of development that turns them into far better players than ever seen before for their level of natural talent. You really don't HAVE to have some kind of natural gift or rare talent to make it... as long as you do truly love the game and work at it and have that financial investment backing you.

You do have to find out near the end of the road that you have the genetics also. At least in terms of size. But by that time, you've already spent the money.

I think the only real problem is that of course some who are "borderline" in terms of being able to really afford it will over-extend themselves financially, or create undue family stresses that cause internal psychological damage within families. Those are definitely problems too. Just at a micro- level instead of a macro- level. It would be a lot better if the "crazy" could be taken out of the process for the good of the kids. But that's the real issue here, not any worry about "the good of the game" or how many top level athletes we graduate into the pros or whatever.
 
Complaints about the cost of hockey are older than I am. While gear is a legit cost, travel at an elite level is an even bigger issue. I don't think there ever will be a solution to this. You might as well dream up ways to make the cost of Equine sports cheaper.
 
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We don't really discuss this much but mark my words, this is going to be a HUGE PROBLEM with the over-all health of the game....a good piece by Topher Scott....

So this topic does come up from time to time. As a parent of two kids in hockey, I have some thoughts...

First of all there are two different questions - the "cost of hockey" versus "cost of elite hockey". I think hockey has a lot of benefits to kids - learning lessons of hard work, dedication, teamwork. The physical benefits of playing a physical game (more so than baseball or soccer I think). So I do think as a society we should make sure hockey is affordable.

So we should always be concerned just about the "cost of hockey". But in my experience, if you just want your kid to play hockey - on a one practice, one game per week schedule - the cost is not bad at all. I have a third kid who doesn't play hockey, but instead does martial arts. The cost for him is the same as for a "basic" hockey program.

For those parents who can't afford basic hockey - there are programs as well. Groups will help pay for fees. You can buy used equipment, and even then lots of parents will often help out with hand-me-downs.

So you get all the benefits I mentioned above from "basic" hockey.

But then there's the cost of "elite" hockey. Tier 1, AA/AAA, whatever it gets called. It is definitely way, way more than "basic" hockey.

So there - do we have as much concern as a society? How much does it matter if the top programs can cost $30k per year, which is more than some people might make in an entire year?

I mean personally I don't like it. My family makes sacrifices to put our kids through hockey. We probably spend more than some people think is smart (I'm pretty sure my oldest kid cost us about $10k for this season). But there are things my kid would love to do that we just can't afford - or we're not willing to make the even bigger sacrifices / take on debt to be able to afford.

But does that affect his hockey career? Well probably. If we could put him into an elite hockey academy he'd have a better shot at making it at even higher levels. So is that fair? And if it isn't fair - what do you do about it?

So I think a lot of it boils down to "life isn't fair".

Admission to elite universities heavily favours the rich and powerful. You can do the right extra-curriculars, go to the right prep schools (which cost money). Even if you do get admitted, the tuition for Harvard is (holy shit!) $76k US. Not total - per year. (does include room and board). Even if my kid could get admitted I could never afford to send him.

Back to hockey - you can't prevent a parent from putting their kid into power skating, or spring hockey, or sending them to a physical trainer or nutritionist - all of which has small but real benefits. If you can't afford to do so - well your kid is at a small but real disadvantage.

Not that I think the hockey world should be unconcerned about cost. I get a little bit worked up about some of the fees in hockey that have nothing to do with on-ice performance. Why do we need to pay for a bunch of "swag"? Why do they need matching track suits for a team that'll last 6 months? Why do we need to buy a suit that my kid will wear to the game and promptly take off?

I think hockey coaches and managers should have a hard look at those kind of expenses, and be sympathetic that even if the majority of parents can afford these things, that it is a barrier to entry to some who can't.

And the biggest expense - travel! Now this is going to depend on ability and how popular hockey is in your area. But to go back to the article @Corso posted a bunch of U9s don't need to travel and be spending night in hotels to find quality opponents. Or if you do need to travel you can travel closer to home. I'm okay with the "out of town tournament experience" - it's always a highlight of the year. But you're paying for the experience - not hockey development.

Finally - does this mean that the hockey world is missing out on the next Gordie Howe - some farm kid who was a freak of nature? Maybe yes. But then what are you going to do about it? From a Hockey Canada perspective there probably are some tinkering they could do to develop top-end talent (I'm curious about a Canadian National Development Team) but it certainly isn't worthwhile to start offering free or subsidized power skating to tens of thousands of kids across Canada.
 
So I think a lot of it boils down to "life isn't fair".

Admission to elite universities heavily favours the rich and powerful. You can do the right extra-curriculars, go to the right prep schools (which cost money). Even if you do get admitted, the tuition for Harvard is (holy shit!) $76k US. Not total - per year. (does include room and board). Even if my kid could get admitted I could never afford to send him.

So true. I also think this is why we so see many NHL draft picks are second generation NHLers. (In fact the Senators have at least 3 right now). What other professions create the climate where someone could succeed at an elite level between the time costs and the financial costs.
 
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Ignore the costs for a second, how do parents give so much of their time away by having their kids in travel leagues? I made a travel baseball team when I was a sophomore in high school or so. When I saw the schedule it was an instant no from me. I really liked baseball, naturally good at it, had fun playing it, but I'm not traveling to Ohio from Illinois every other week to go play some random travel team that's apparently really good too. My cousin was in a travel soccer league, EVERY WEEKEND going all over the state, sometimes all over the country, for some dumb games. His parents would go with him everywhere too of course. It sounds like hell on earth.

We just had our first child, I CAN'T WAIT until he is old enough to start playing sports. If it's apparent that's something he likes I'm going to put him in local park leagues and then have him play for his local high school team. Maybe he'll get a scholarship or something. No way am I traveling all around the country so my 13 year old can go play baseball. Life is short, I don't know why people are so willing to do that. Humbly, I think 99% of these parents are totally chumping out. Wasting way too much of their money and their time. The odds of becoming a pro athlete are slim to none and even if your kid is clearly gifted in hockey (or whatever sport) the odds of him making it are basically non-existent.

To each their own but I think it's all one big silly ruse.
 
And the biggest expense - travel! Now this is going to depend on ability and how popular hockey is in your area. But to go back to the article @Corso posted a bunch of U9s don't need to travel and be spending night in hotels to find quality opponents. Or if you do need to travel you can travel closer to home. I'm okay with the "out of town tournament experience" - it's always a highlight of the year. But you're paying for the experience - not hockey development.

Finally - does this mean that the hockey world is missing out on the next Gordie Howe - some farm kid who was a freak of nature? Maybe yes. But then what are you going to do about it? From a Hockey Canada perspective there probably are some tinkering they could do to develop top-end talent (I'm curious about a Canadian National Development Team) but it certainly isn't worthwhile to start offering free or subsidized power skating to tens of thousands of kids across Canada.

I'm going to have to take a look more into the European development model to see what can fit over here. I do know that European soccer clubs sponsor their own sport academies that cover the full cost to play and travel. In time, due to the emerging demographic crisis (in all hockey playing nations), this is something that the NHL may have to strongly consider.
 

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