Value of: Spezza to MTL

[Hostile Offer]

If the Habs can't find a center some other way, they are kind of desperate, no? Danault and ... who do they even have who is a natural and valid NHL center? If they can't find more prominent solutions and still have a boatload of cap space, why not take Spezza.

We got Paul Byron so we're good.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Probably wouldn't have to add much to 26 point Spezza to get 37 point Pacioretty right?

Sure if you ignore age, salary and the fact Pacs is coming off one bad year and Spezza is coming off 2 down years they are exactly the same

 

[TrillMike]

I’d rather see Spezza next eat in a non-Hitch system.

 

[BigG44]

If the Habs can't find a center some other way, they are kind of desperate, no? Danault and ... who do they even have who is a natural and valid NHL center? If they can't find more prominent solutions and still have a boatload of cap space, why not take Spezza.

But timing is a factor. Dallas would presumably most ideally move him before July 1st, so that they know what their cap space is heading in the FA frenzy? Meanwhile, Habs will try to fill their cap more effectively first. So by the time the music stops, maybe it will be less viable for either side than it seems now.

Why is Dallas concerned about the cap? If the cap doesn't go up, Dallas has $17.7 million in cap space. Most have the cap going up by at least another $5 million. Not that I think it's realistic they're going after a top free agent, but they could not move Spezza and still target any top free agent or virtually any player via trade and still have space to sign RFAs.

 

[Cogburn]

I'd surrender something like Gagner for him, as Gagner can at least play wing in a top six role.

Spezza will likely bounce back, so my convoluted and contrived scenario would be if they needed immediate cap space and didn't want to attach futures back.

Failing that....does Dallas need top 4 D? Vancouver has some good top six wingers and good 2nd pairing D to choose from, would Spezza +futures for some combination of Baertschi, Tanev and something be in the right ballpark?

 

[ole ole]

Habs fan here. Just curious what Dallas would want in return.

Hab fan here.Don't want him.

 

[ole ole]

Lazy stat watching, nice. Speaking in absolutes about something you don’t know anything about, also nice.

Hitchcock pigeon-holed him into a fourth line role and barely even had him at center. Spezza is slowing down for sure, but the 26 point tally from this year isn’t indicative of his abilities. I think Dallas would much rather see how he responds to a change in staff before selling low on him.

And Patches is worth what again?So a 35 yr old can bounce back but a 29 yr old can't

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

And Patches is worth what again?So a 35 yr old can bounce back but a 29 yr old can't

I never mentioned Pacioretty’s name in any of my posts in this thread.

You guys have some pretty intense mental complexes.

 

[WhatWhat]

Sure if you ignore age, salary and the fact Pacs is coming off one bad year and Spezza is coming off 2 down years they are exactly the same

Spezza is not coming off 2 down years... 50 point in 68 games is not a down year. Sure he got less goals than the year before that one but 50 in 68 is the same pace as his first year in Dallas. Spezza has had 1 down year and it was the year with Hitch where there was a massive play style clash. But keep stat watching, you are doing a good job of it

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Spezza is not coming off 2 down years... 50 point in 68 games is not a down year. Sure he got less goals than the year before that one but 50 in 68 is the same pace as his first year in Dallas. Spezza has had 1 down year and it was the year with Hitch where there was a massive play style clash. But keep stat watching, you are doing a good job of it

Keep pace tracking and Ill keep point counting, see who ends up with the most wins at the end of the year

 

[BigG44]

I'd surrender something like Gagner for him, as Gagner can at least play wing in a top six role.

Spezza will likely bounce back, so my convoluted and contrived scenario would be if they needed immediate cap space and didn't want to attach futures back.

Failing that....does Dallas need top 4 D? Vancouver has some good top six wingers and good 2nd pairing D to choose from, would Spezza +futures for some combination of Baertschi, Tanev and something be in the right ballpark?

Dallas already seems to have their Top 7 locked in. I'm not going to argue that Tanev wouldn't be an upgrade at some spots, but on the right side, he's not pushing Klingberg, and Dallas seems pretty committed to Johns and Honka in terms of let them play so they have a chance to develop this year. On the left side, unless they trade Methot, they're going to go with him and the other Finns (Lindell and Heiskanen).

Delaying either of those 4 guys development isn't worth a potential slight upgrade on defense. The better risk is to just take the chance that Spezza bounces back from a career low shooting percentage and a terrible relationship with Hitchcock. The dude has slowed done, but Montgomery is saying the right things. He said Dallas will be structured when they don't have the puck, but he wants to let the horses run when they do have it. My guess is Spezza could see a reunion with Janmark, and this is just a guess, but I think Montgomery puts Radulov on the 2nd line. Dallas suffered by being a 1 line team. Dallas' #1 priority this year should be a scoring winger. If it was a LW, even better. If Spezza had two horses next to him, I think he could be a guy who can be the good 3rd guy on that line. Janmark has played RW and looked fine. He and Nichushkin could a shot on Benn and Seguin's win. Those two have traditionally carried the other guy. I think Janmark is a guy that can do more than be carried.

 

[WhatWhat]

Keep pace tracking and Ill keep point counting, see who ends up with the most wins at the end of the year

You said he had a down year 2 years in a row... He got hurt and still had 50 points. That alone blows away your argument because 50 points as a 2C is not a down year, that literally would have been MTLs top scoring C. Pace is a reasonable argument in the context of "he had a bad year" becasue he literally played at the same level as before he just played less game because of an injury.

You you seriously consider a player with less points in a season becasue he missed games to have had a down year? If you score a PPG in a full season then a PPG in 60 games the next year because of an injury no one with a brain if gonna say "Oh know that is a big decline, he scored 25% less!". If you argue context for Pacioretty you can't just ignore it for another player when it doesnt fit your narrative.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Lazy stat watching, nice. Speaking in absolutes about something you don’t know anything about, also nice.

Hitchcock pigeon-holed him into a fourth line role and barely even had him at center. Spezza is slowing down for sure, but the 26 point tally from this year isn’t indicative of his abilities. I think Dallas would much rather see how he responds to a change in staff before selling low on him.

@KawaYui doing some lazy stat watching? No way.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Plekanec 2.0.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

Hab fan here.Don't want him.

Really no need to @ me. I don't care.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

You said he had a down year 2 years in a row... He got hurt and still had 50 points. That alone blows away your argument because 50 points as a 2C is not a down year, that literally would have been MTLs top scoring C. Pace is a reasonable argument in the context of "he had a bad year" becasue he literally played at the same level as before he just played less game because of an injury.

You you seriously consider a player with less points in a season becasue he missed games to have had a down year? If you score a PPG in a full season then a PPG in 60 games the next year because of an injury no one with a brain if gonna say "Oh know that is a big decline, he scored 25% less!". If you argue context for Pacioretty you can't just ignore it for another player when it doesnt fit your narrative.

Where did I argue context for Pacioretty? He had a shitty 37 point year, I didn't say he was on a 47 pt pace cause he only contributed to 37 goals for Montreal and that's all that matters, Spezza had 50 points for $7.5MM, that's a down year in my book, again don't care what his PPG was

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

From an outside POV, I don’t see why the Habs would want Spezza.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

From an outside POV, I don’t see why the Habs would want Spezza.

Certainly wouldn't be my first choice but I'm asking because the Habs should know what their options are.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Certainly wouldn't be my first choice but I'm asking because the Habs should know what their options are.

Well, what are the Habs expectations this season?

 

[topshelf15]

Older slower Spezza.....Iam sure Julien would love Spezza approach to defense....PP specialist now nothing more

 

[LordJamieBenn]

Where did I argue context for Pacioretty? He had a ****ty 37 point year, I didn't say he was on a 47 pt pace cause he only contributed to 37 goals for Montreal and that's all that matters, Spezza had 50 points for $7.5MM, that's a down year in my book, again don't care what his PPG was

Every response you have is more painful to read than the last

 

[WhatWhat]

Where did I argue context for Pacioretty? He had a ****ty 37 point year, I didn't say he was on a 47 pt pace cause he only contributed to 37 goals for Montreal and that's all that matters, Spezza had 50 points for $7.5MM, that's a down year in my book, again don't care what his PPG was

Sure if you ignore age, salary and the fact Pacs is coming off one bad year and Spezza is coming off 2 down years they are exactly the same

That would be you arguing context for Pacioretty. It was on the same page and these 2 posts are a day apart. This is some impressive selective memory.

As to Spezza having "50 points for $7.5MM, that's a down year in my book" that doesnt explain how its a down year... Is he overpaid? yes you wont find a person in the world who doesnt agree with that, however his AAV has nothing to do with him having a down year. A down year is production relative to what his expectation is. He was signed to produce at a 2C level for 7.5 a year. The contract from the start was an overpayment but he gave us high end 2C production every year in Dallas up until last year. So that would be 1 down year.