Speculation: Spezza, Muzzin, and Mikheyev are significant losses.

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you guys are downplaying Mikheyev's contribution to the team last year. He was very dynamic and a constant threat.

I guess it's kind of gratifying that he is not tearing it up in Vancouver, but he was very effective for us.

Boosh is another guy i would say we are missing. He was such a hard hitting Dman and we are sorely missing that this year.

I also agree with the overall feel that if Marner and Matthews would play to their normal level we would not be having this discussion.
 
When talking about our forwards, aside from spending half our salary cap in the core four, we need a top six winger that can keep up with the others. Bertuzzi is a name I’ve mention many times that would look great on this team.
 
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Spezza - still had a skill level that made things difficult for the competition both on the 4th line and the 2nd PP.

Mikheyev - had speed that this current team doesn't have. His penalty kill was downright dangerous at times. I know he had a career season and priced himself out, but who is his replacement? Kerfoot? ZAR? Not good enough at all.

Muzzin - top 4 D and a big minute player. Can produce offensively, and play solid defense. Can PK and stop the cycle. His loss is massive. Holl is now looking terrible without him.

I know the season is early, but TOR's formula of scoring with big guns is sputtering. Clearly Matthews is playing injured, and to a lesser degree Engvall is too. Murray might not be a lost cause as well.

This team is not going to win with heart and hustle. Not in toughness. Definitely not in defensive play. Goaltending? Likely not. Coaching? No.

I'm not saying the season is over, but this is not a slam dunk into the playoffs. Toronto are actually veteran team too (aging).

Dubas/Keefe/Shanny and Manny Maholtra (kidding) have got their work cut out for them.

What do you think? Are they really good enough to be top in the division?
Significant??? Really?
 
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you guys are downplaying Mikheyev's contribution to the team last year. He was very dynamic and a constant threat.

I guess it's kind of gratifying that he is not tearing it up in Vancouver, but he was very effective for us.

Boosh is another guy i would say we are missing. He was such a hard hitting Dman and we are sorely missing that this year.

I also agree with the overall feel that if Marner and Matthews would play to their normal level we would not be having this discussion.

Is it possible that Matty and Mitch are not capable of carrying so many passengers?
 
Canuck fans are already complaining about Soup and he got too much money

Muzzin - anyone could see he was on the decline and should have been moved

The fillers Dubas picked up - too early to say but not at all impressive thus far
 
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Canuck fans are already complaining about Soup and he got too much money

Muzzin - anyone could see he was on the decline and should have been moved

The fillers Dubas picked up - too early to say but not at all impressive thus far
The problem with if everyone can see Muzzin is fading, how are the Leafs going to move him? Unless you have decided that you can stomache getting nothing in return.

I think Muzz has another playoff run in him where he can contribute. Give him the Pujos treatment and play him just enough to keep his legs
 
Is it possible that Matty and Mitch are not capable of carrying so many passengers?
what do you mean by carrying? That statement would have more truth if they were the only ones scoring and putting up offence. The reverse seems to be the case.
 
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The problem with if everyone can see Muzzin is fading, how are the Leafs going to move him? Unless you have decided that you can stomache getting nothing in return.

I think Muzz has another playoff run in him where he can contribute. Give him the Pujos treatment and play him just enough to keep his legs
I think at this point they'd have to add a sweetner but the cap space would probably be worth it. But this hsould have happened over a year ago, maybe 2
 
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Spezza - still had a skill level that made things difficult for the competition both on the 4th line and the 2nd PP.

Mikheyev - had speed that this current team doesn't have. His penalty kill was downright dangerous at times. I know he had a career season and priced himself out, but who is his replacement? Kerfoot? ZAR? Not good enough at all.

Muzzin - top 4 D and a big minute player. Can produce offensively, and play solid defense. Can PK and stop the cycle. His loss is massive. Holl is now looking terrible without him.

I know the season is early, but TOR's formula of scoring with big guns is sputtering. Clearly Matthews is playing injured, and to a lesser degree Engvall is too. Murray might not be a lost cause as well.

This team is not going to win with heart and hustle. Not in toughness. Definitely not in defensive play. Goaltending? Likely not. Coaching? No.

I'm not saying the season is over, but this is not a slam dunk into the playoffs. Toronto are actually veteran team too (aging).

Dubas/Keefe/Shanny and Manny Maholtra (kidding) have got their work cut out for them.

What do you think? Are they really good enough to be top in the division?
Team will look a lot better once Matty gets in game shape .. no pro team can have their best player getting caved every night .. Keefer should take him out of lineup and just bag skate him hard until he is ready to play .. but politics in TO won't allow it
 
No. Where do you pick up these buzz phrases like "objectively wrong"? You have a very subjective view of Muzzin, Spezza, and Mikheyev. I think you're guilty of seeing these players as seasonal statistics. They are real people. They are not judged on how well they did in your Fantasy league. They are judged on their careers. If Nylander, Matthews, and Marner were gone it would be significant. They had significant contributions. They are not gone though. I'm speaking about the players who had a significant impact in their time as Leafs. I'm not talking about Vancouver and I'm not talking about Fantasy Hockey.

It's objectively wrong and misguided, you've been told by quite a few people that's the case.

"Significant impact" is pretty funny... no bottom six player has a "significant impact", which is why they are bottom six players.

Our record is 4-3, mostly because of Matthews, Muzzin and Rielly. If Matthews was shooting at his normal 16.2%, instead of 3%, and Rielly hadn't completely forgotten how to play defense, or perhaps had healthy peak Muzzin taking those difficult minutes, we'd be 6-1, and the sky is falling folks would be back hiding under their bridges, until we lost a game. But Muzzin, Rielly and Matthews issues for the team has been discussed in every thread. Mik and Spezza, is just funny.

After seven games last year, we were 2-4-1. This year we are 4-3. I mean, we've played like trash, but our record is BETTER than last years at the same time. Funny enough, Spezza had three goals in those first seven games, and our record was terrible during those games... and then he scored nine more over the rest of the 68 games, and one assist in the playoffs, as his play basically cratered.

Robertson has had more positive impact in his three games so far, than Spezza and Mik had combined in the first seven games last year...

Yes, the team has some problems, that are worthy of discussion... Mik and Spezza aren't it.

If you need some discussion points, here is a primer.

1. What the hell is wrong with Matthews? He doesn't look great, his shot is poor, and his faceoff prowess has dropped. Shooting 3%, when his career is 16.2%

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2. What the hell is wrong with Rielly? His defensive play has been horrible. He's been on the ice for more 5v5 goals, than 10 teams have let in this season. It's atrocious.

3. Is Muzzin coming back,, will he be useful, and if not, how do we replace him?

4. Which of our dozen potential bottom six actually wants to be on our team in the NHL? Kerfoot, Kampf, Jarnkrok have been ok, but Engvall, Malgin, NAK, ZAR, Clifford, Simmonds haven't shown enough... plus the Marlies guys. Let's face it, most of these bottom six guys who have played for us at the NHL level have sucked this year too.... I mean Simmonds had that beauty pass... which would be great if he could do that more than once every twenty games... but...

But imagine, we are two wins up on our pace last year, and we have such easily identifiable problematic talking points, where a few tweaks and our team could be pretty good. Yet you've gotta reach for imaginary issues?
 
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Spezza - still had a skill level that made things difficult for the competition both on the 4th line and the 2nd PP.

Mikheyev - had speed that this current team doesn't have. His penalty kill was downright dangerous at times. I know he had a career season and priced himself out, but who is his replacement? Kerfoot? ZAR? Not good enough at all.

Muzzin - top 4 D and a big minute player. Can produce offensively, and play solid defense. Can PK and stop the cycle. His loss is massive. Holl is now looking terrible without him.

I know the season is early, but TOR's formula of scoring with big guns is sputtering. Clearly Matthews is playing injured, and to a lesser degree Engvall is too. Murray might not be a lost cause as well.

This team is not going to win with heart and hustle. Not in toughness. Definitely not in defensive play. Goaltending? Likely not. Coaching? No.

I'm not saying the season is over, but this is not a slam dunk into the playoffs. Toronto are actually veteran team too (aging).

Dubas/Keefe/Shanny and Manny Maholtra (kidding) have got their work cut out for them.

What do you think? Are they really good enough to be top in the division?
The problem isn’t the loss of those players its the additions to the roster.
 
Muzzin has been pretty crap for the last year or so, he is toast, so not a big loss. The other two are also trash. We just added more trash to take their spots.
 
Early days still - but Robertson has 2G 1A in 3 games. At worst he's looking to have a Spezza level production impact. Though likely better by the end of the season (especially compared to Spezza's last season)
 
All of this goes to the point that Dubas' predictable but predictably wrong solution to another first round ouster was to rinse & repeat.

- The bottom 6 needed addressing (that is, an improvement), not just replacing guys like Spezza. So far, not looking good.
-The blue line needed an upgrade on Holl and insurance in case Muzzin misses significant time. Giordano fills the latter need but Holl is still here.
- A dependable starter that the team will have confidence in. Easier said than done so no one was expecting a miracle. But Murray/Samsonov was a huge risk. Sammy has looked solid so far, but he's known for fast starts. Too early to say he's the solution. Murray is as expected, on IR and so for now it's Samsonov/Kallgren.

Something is clearly not right with Auston and yes, Mitch/Reilly have been bad. So overall with all that working against them they look to be in pretty fair shape, but Dubas' off-season scorecard is looking pretty bleak given the pressure this organization is under to win.
 
Muzzin has been pretty crap for the last year or so, he is toast, so not a big loss. The other two are also trash. We just added more trash to take their spots.
This seems like twitter fed video game hypercritical dismissive talk. Muzzin had a great career. He was great in the playoffs vs. Tampa. If he wasn't the series would not have been close. Spezza and Mikheyev were not trash and you know it.
 
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the losses aren't significant at all, the new guys need time to find their chemistry, and determine their place in the lineup. With the Matthews line not producing, and talk of maybe splitting them, this will further add to the disjointed lineup
 
Mikheyev’s offence was gonna be lost even if we kept him, he wasn’t replicating last years success. We were gonna lose scoring even if we kept him

the other two I agree with
 
you guys are downplaying Mikheyev's contribution to the team last year. He was very dynamic and a constant threat.

I guess it's kind of gratifying that he is not tearing it up in Vancouver, but he was very effective for us.

Boosh is another guy i would say we are missing. He was such a hard hitting Dman and we are sorely missing that this year.

I also agree with the overall feel that if Marner and Matthews would play to their normal level we would not be having this discussion.
If you hit like Boosh, now a days and brawls will start people know they can push the leafs. It's why Muzzin found out fast you don't lay any one out. Leafs aren't built for that.
 
I think Lyubushkin is a real loss for the Leafs, their defense is lacking grit and pragmatic plays

Keeping Lyubushkin and Mikheyev and not touching Murray and punting Holl may have been the correct play.
 
Keeping Lyubushkin and Mikheyev and not touching Murray and punting Holl may have been the correct play.
Lybushkin yes, Mikeheyev no.
Punting Holl would always have been the correct play
 
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Keeping Lyubushkin and Mikheyev and not touching Murray and punting Holl may have been the correct play.
No, it absolutely would not have. Both are significantly overpaid. Lyubushkin isn't even in this lineup when it's healthy.
 
Mikheyev was supposed to be replaced by Engvall. Hasn't happened yet.

Muzzin hasn't played like a top 4 D in a long time. You can argue he looked like a top 4D against TB but that's it.

2021-2022 Spezza wasn't as good. I don't know how you expect the Leafs to find a player like that.
 

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