Value of: Soucy (SEA), Graves (NJ) and Gavrikov (CBJ)
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Jerzey Devil
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Pass. Graves plays on the first pair with Hamilton. He’s a big part of NJ’s defense.
AfroThunder396
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Like it or not, the deadline prices largely depend on playoff pedigree and big minutes pedigree. Chiarot has both and Soucy doesn't. I haven't checked but I don't think he's played a lot of 23+ minute games in his career.
Gavrikov is pretty close to "core" in Columbus. They are rebuilding but I'm sure they will try to keep him long term. It's not easy to find a shutdown D of his caliber and he's pretty central in the room.
He's done it in the KHL, he hasn't been tried there in the NHL.
He's done it in the KHL, he hasn't been tried there in the NHL.
T_Cage
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I think people are underestimating 1sts…. Last year they flew around a little more liberally cause there was so little opportunity for scouting in the pandemic the draft was kind of a crapshoot, but this being an (almost) “normal” year I think you will see teams hold them a little tighter
Djp
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also last year with only top 4 in division making the playoffs teams knew they were safe in at deadline so less risk giving up 1sts
teams aren’t going to give up 1sts as a bubble team.
the D OP mentions are not on the market to be traded. Devils traded a 2nd to acquire Graves.
Chiarot's playoff pedigree:
56 games played
20:58 average TOI
1 Goal
6 assists
-1 +/-
76 shots on goal (1.3% shooting )
171 total shot attempts
45 PIM
13 takeaways
61 giveaways
100 blocked shots
200 hits
CF% rel - -10.5
FF% rel - -9.7
These are not the numbers of a guy that is contributing to his team winning in the playoffs. Soucy can just as easily not produce and skate around hitting people.
Glad to hear he's playing well for NJ, seems like he's a lot better fit there than he was with the Avs.
He made some boneheaded mistakes during his time with the Avs and we couldn't afford him anyways, but he got better every year, wouldn't be surprised if he was a late bloomer.
I don't think, Graves is completely unavailable. The POs in a crowded Metro Division is probably out of reach for the Devils and New Jersey has drafted three LHD in the first round of the last four drafts. So it isn't a given, that he plays a featured role in the plans for the future. Still the ask to motivate them to move Graves would be substantially higher, than what they paid last summer (late 2nd and Maltsev).
WannabeFinn
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I think it took time for Soucy to acclimatize to Seattle after playing quite well on MN's defensively sound team the past two years. He can play RD.
He is best as the main man on the third pairing or as a #4. Nice size and reach, some physicality, kind of awkward looking but has some offense to him, can drop the gloves a bit, though is by no means a heavyweight. Late bloomer...he is missed in MN.
I think he'd work best on a team with solid, structured team play rather than a run and gun team. In other words, maybe FLA this year, but not the FLA of past years.
He is best as the main man on the third pairing or as a #4. Nice size and reach, some physicality, kind of awkward looking but has some offense to him, can drop the gloves a bit, though is by no means a heavyweight. Late bloomer...he is missed in MN.
I think he'd work best on a team with solid, structured team play rather than a run and gun team. In other words, maybe FLA this year, but not the FLA of past years.
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Eggtimer
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Nj is not going to move Graves and would be interested in adding the other two mentioned . Severson is probably going to want to look at UFA and we won’t/shouldn’t pay that much on D ( eventually will have Hamilton and Luke Hughes plus Graves and? to pay ) so I can see bedding a replacement RHD .
OP - very good job at targeting efficient players . These guys are all under rated and good bargains IMO
OP - very good job at targeting efficient players . These guys are all under rated and good bargains IMO
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Soucy:
12 gp
Under 14 minutes on average TOI.
You should be able to see the difference here.
One of these players has playoff pedigree, the other one doesn't. You don't have to like Chiarot's play more personally, but you have to understand that he's been used in roles that Soucy has not.
The only difference I see is that Chiarot has had more time to prove he's ineffective in the playoffs. You're pretending that the fact that he is on the ice a lot proves that he is having a positive impact. He's not. His team is out-shot horribly while he is on the ice.
Clint Eastwood
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Idk if any of these teams have legitimate interest in moving these guys, but if they are then the Bruins should be up front in the bidding.
TheImpatientPanther
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Feel all 3 teams are still a couple years away from being consistent playoff teams, let alone Cup contenders though.
CBJ and NJs core are all 25 or younger and still being drafted. They still need to develop the rest of it who have yet to play a full season or two. The Atlantic and Metro are buzzsaws right not in both top 3 spots and will be for next 3 years.
SEA will lack consistent offense imo and will need a couple high end drafts and trades to draft and support a core.
They have some good complimentary depth players right now but no high end elite skill.
If they choose to re-sign them, totally understand it but feel CBJ and NJ are not done developing the core that's 3-4 years away from all entering their primes.
Gio and Oleksiak likely stopgap it for SEA on LD so Soucy could net a decent asset or two.
McDuffz88
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He's definitely unavailable right now. While we have drafted a few high profile LD over the past few years we have 0 which are proven for the NHL. Smith is struggling heavy in his second year, Luke Hughes hasn't even played an NHL game yet, and Shakir Mukhamadullin hasn't even stepped foot on America soil.
All these players are in the middle of their prime, you still need players to eat minutes to help the players develop and build a winning culture. It shouldn't be too hard to remember how long it took Florida to get out of that hole, and it definitely doesn't help by selling off these types of players.
If any of them have no interest in re-signing with their team i'm sure they'll consider trading them at some point next year as opposed to losing them for nothing, but Soucy is the only one I can see being remotely available. Also, Gio will be sold at the TDL, and most likely garner more than Soucy would because he brings a 'vet presence'.
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RainyCityHockey
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Gio will be gone at the TDL, IMO, unless we're going on an insane run and get into playoff contention.
He stated even before the season that winning the cup is the only reason he's still playing and that won't happen with uns before his early 40's.
Could see us retaining up to 50% on him given that Francis has the green light to spend by the ownership group.
My guess is that Gio, Jarnkrok, Blackwell and Johansson(all UFA's) are the main guys available with a couple of other guys(could includ Soucy) being available for the right price as well.
